Very nice phone
Shanti Dope, 04 Aug 2020Which makes me appreciate the presence of the LG V60 ThinQ and Sony Xperia 1 II even more. In... moreExactly, I agree with you. I never let the software to dictate the final outcome, it always been more miss than hit. For casual users who only posted photos on social media, that wouldn't be an issue. For someone like me who always sell photos and videos as a stock file on sites like Shutterstock and EyeEm, I definitely do care about total manual control. If it wasn't because of my Lumia 950, I might still be using my old Sony NEX-3N Mirrorless camera today.
Shanti Dope, 05 Aug 2020No that's not what it's meant by having the controls. Such solution only works durin... morePixels do have computational raw, ie it does just the stacking and not the colour / tone mapping. In fact many don't know that pixels have the best mobile raw along with Nokia 9.
AnonD-492870, 04 Aug 2020The v60 and xperia 1 II are impressive for media creation. I agree and I'm not a hobbiest... moreYeah. The art now just comes from the AI and automatic software enhancements, and no longer from the creative minds of the user taking the shots.
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2020Dual exposure does that, doesn't it? You can control the amount of dynamic range, exposur... moreNo that's not what it's meant by having the controls. Such solution only works during the image taking. After you've taken the photo, you can no longer revert back to the brighter look if you would want to get it, as it has already been processed by the phone's camera software.
"You can just take a normally exposed photo then tone down the exposure later" then you might as well give out all the possible controls to the image, including the way it should be processed. In short, why not leave the image as it was taken by the camera hardware without any enhancements from software? You are pretty much limited to what you can do after with a JPEG image, which is why RAW is always preferred by people that are truly interested in photography.
I just don't want an immediate photoshop to my photographs, because often it doesn't really get the look that I want my images to come out to be.
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2020No, the zero shutter lag HDR+ is a different mode than HDR+ enhanced. HDR+ enhanced takes up t... moreThanks for letting me know that. From what I've seen, pixel 4's all shots except night sight were zsl. So obviously with the processor and isp improvement I thought everything was enhanced. But if isn't removing it was really stupid.
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2020Wow this maybe a small, simple thing but this is really genius! No suprise google is best at s... moreI agree with you. And also the xda support of pixels is just super. I would definitely go for 4a, only if it gets available in my country.
Shanti Dope, 04 Aug 2020Which makes me appreciate the presence of the LG V60 ThinQ and Sony Xperia 1 II even more. In... moreThe v60 and xperia 1 II are impressive for media creation. I agree and I'm not a hobbiest in that way but I understand it being in sound and audio a bit... I have also seen more than enough reviews to favor this as well. Google aims to take the create out of creator for the user which leaves a gap in culture and more reliance on AI and math.
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2020Isn't all pixel 4 shots hdr+ enhanced? I thought pixel 4 brought zero shutter lag hdr+ en... moreNo, the zero shutter lag HDR+ is a different mode than HDR+ enhanced. HDR+ enhanced takes up to 2,5s. When you zoom, HDR+ enhanced takes up to 3.5s. Since Android 10 it produces far more consistant results than Night Sight. Only in an extremely dark room or when you want to take a photo of a comet, Night Sight can be slightly better . Otherwise I would always choose HDR+ enhanced, which the Pixel 4 doesn't have.
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2020Google also made the mistake that the Pixel 4 doesn't have the HDR+ enhanced mode of the ... moreIsn't all pixel 4 shots hdr+ enhanced? I thought pixel 4 brought zero shutter lag hdr+ enhanced when they started using upto 15 frames for all photos
YUKI93, 04 Aug 2020Why do modern smartphone's HDR feature always let the software algorithm decide the final... moreDual exposure does that, doesn't it? You can control the amount of dynamic range, exposure, shadows and highlights.
Google also made the mistake that the Pixel 4 doesn't have the HDR+ enhanced mode of the Pixel 3/3a anymore. HDR+ enhanced is a fast Night Sight mode and I would say that it is better than Night Sight. It is faster (up to 2.5s if you don't zoom) (Night Sight takes up to 7 seconds) and leads to fewer blurry photos (you often need to take a Night Sight photo again due to blur, then it is 14s vs 2.5s). Don't forget that you can use exposure compensation, if you want a brighter HDR+ enhanced photo in extreme darkness (you could even edit the HDR+ raw file).
Google's mistake is that they don't adjust the exposure time when you use the shadows slider. For example if the camera app chooses 1/100s and if there's no risk of blowing highlights, it would be much better that the camera app chooses a longer exposure time, when you raise the shadows. Otherwise the shadows can look terribly noisy due to the short 1/100s exposure, if you make the shadows brighter.
YUKI93, 04 Aug 2020Why do modern smartphone's HDR feature always let the software algorithm decide the final... moreWhich makes me appreciate the presence of the LG V60 ThinQ and Sony Xperia 1 II even more.
In this world full of people becoming more reliant to phones doing the job, we have these unique options that allow us to be creative and express ourselves on our own art in our own way without the phone's software getting in the way.
Of course people are gonna hate me for this reason, but I don't care, for as long as I can see the good things in both worlds, and that I don't mind using either of the two, but still having all the necessary manual controls would still be my favorite choice.
That's just to say, most, if not all of the greatest photos ever captured by humans are captured in manual mode, as not even modern day AI algorithms can accurately predict whatever the artist wants to capture in his/her mind, if they can do it, at least.
Great Auto shooting capabilities improves efficiency, but hinders their real capacity to produce beautiful arts. That's why I prefer old phones' camera software processing approach better, if they were given modern day hardware instead.
HDR+ and dual exposure is same or different
YUKI93, 04 Aug 2020Why do modern smartphone's HDR feature always let the software algorithm decide the final... moreInstead of letting you shoot the kind of photo you like, most brands offer you the kind of photos they like.
Wow this maybe a small, simple thing but this is really genius! No suprise google is best at software game and pixel is one of the best (can't say the best one because some chinese and fruit company's fanboys will triggered) in photography phone
Why do modern smartphone's HDR feature always let the software algorithm decide the final shot? I much prefer the Rich Capture feature on Nokia and Microsoft Lumia phones (mainly with the PureView tag) where you can manually decide the HDR shot that you like to save with a slider. I mean, how hard can it be to make one like that for Android or iOS? Such feature like that is the reason why I'm still using my Lumia 950 as my daily photography gear to this day.