silbier.hell, 29 Aug 2020Well I used pop up phone (realme x) once and it kind of broke after 6 month. I rarely do selfi... moreI dont really know how did you and your friends break the motor, i have my op7 pro for an year now, dont use the front camera as much as the rear ones but i play with it to show my friends and even did a durability test applying strenght in it and its still 100%
Why the light cannot capture perfectly like on pop up camera and punch hole?
silbier.hell, 29 Aug 2020Well I used pop up phone (realme x) once and it kind of broke after 6 month. I rarely do selfi... moreHow did you manage to break your pop up ?
I've got to count you as another of the rare occurrences where one break.
4i4o Krem, 29 Aug 2020 under display camera must be in the middle. the idea is video talk -eye to eye.It must not even exist, in the middle it will be in the way of fulldisplay fingerprint scanner, which is way more important than any front camera thingy as it will allow constant/periodic authentification, with a proper implementation of security in a dedicated chip and the use of the superior ultrasonic technology, this is clearly the way to go.
Also, considering how LiDAR work, a mirror wouldn't get in their way, allowing rear ToF to still operate, which would, with the superior main camera, allow for software correction to digitally make the person look "in the eyes".
Anonymous, 29 Aug 2020To me it's hard to believe there's no way of HW based notification of front cam poss... moreOR, we could just get rid of the front camera all together, on most smartphones anyway, leaving some other (lets say, the same percentage as current phones with bezel and pop up) with other solutions like bezels, punch holes, notches and underdisplay camera, as a minority as it should be.
under display camera must be in the middle. the idea is video talk -eye to eye.
AnonD-909757, 29 Aug 2020Considering how sly data collection is, I ain't gonna trust a led, there were many instan... moreTo me it's hard to believe there's no way of HW based notification of front cam possible. Really? No switching on/off. The way "no power to notification light -no power to camera then". Then may advertise it as an advantage for a model if they're serious. If this is solved, then no need to blame or try to stop new technology. It has to be done proper though.
Having so much phone models, there could be some regular specked without a camera for such customers. Idk, likely it's supposed even in business area people need to make front cam calls at least occasionally.
Well hiding people from the camera... if you're able to achieve it, then do it. :) I could live without many things of today's world. I don't think invention and progress can be stopped though. Personally will take my time to get it, no need to rush. Currently there are still options to have it, as we agree here. Not perfect as well, some experience pop-up stop working (some not). And it's needed for video calls anyways, isn't it? So Imo UD DONE PROPER is way forward. As for costs, everything new is expensive it changes later.
Technology itself about it is exciting.
Khan, 29 Aug 2020It's useless.ok then,don't even bother thinking about it
Gauron, 28 Aug 2020Speak for yourself, Most people hate the notch. But TBH I would buy a cheaper phone with pop c... moreWell I used pop up phone (realme x) once and it kind of broke after 6 month. I rarely do selfies and don't even bother to use the face unlock. This happens not only to me, but some of my friends (who used find X, one plus 7 pro, vivo v15 pro) broke the motors as well. Except for the find x (due to face unlock), my friends also don't really use the front cam often.
Kamikaze, 28 Aug 2020Xiaomi and ZTE are really doing great job honestly, I'm not much of a selfie guy so I... moreConsidering how sly data collection is, I ain't gonna trust a led, there were many instances where it was easy to disable it on a webcam for an attacker.
Hell, before the pop up, it was only theory that we were spied upon by smartphones camera, but the pop up by actuating systematically with some apps and websites proved that it was actually a thing.
Also many illegal data collection happen at OS and hardware level.
Yet again we are in the idea of trying to compensate all the issues the front camera cause, just ditching it and using methods that allow, whenever the user want, to use the main camera(s) while still looking at his display, is the real way forward, not trying to compensate for a tech that is way less useful than anyone try to pretend.
Outside of professional environment, in which privacy is a huge concern as many company are victim of spying, loosing big idea before they could patent them, not many peoples do video call, that's why it is stupid when it is used as an excuse to keep the front camera, despite possibilities to actually, as I said, use solution to also provide display + camera without having any front camera.
No front camera and ON/Push To Talk/OFF switch for audio and some other killswitchs (Bluetooth, Data and SatNav) should be the way forward, we need to hide peoples from the camera, not the camera from peoples.
Nothing like using a supermodel to sell your product.
M3S4, 28 Aug 2020Great technology. But, people don't actually care about notch, people care about quality.... moreSpeak for yourself. I won't have a phone with a notch. I know numerous people that feel the same.
Xiaomi and ZTE are really doing great job honestly, I'm not much of a selfie guy so I'm really okay with this new tech, for people who are talking about the privacy concerns, the apple's new mic and camera notification light can make up for it. the quality is really ok for a pre released software and a first-gen tech.
The selfie is a bit blurry and lacking detail.. but it's okay because I take like 1 selfie a month lol. I prefer an all screen display over anything
Excellent! It may not be the best picture quality, but it's the opportunities that this technology brings to the table. Added security for the front facing camera, since no moving parts are needed, and no "distractions" (even if they are minimal) on the screen. Full real state.
No eye lashes ?
M3S4, 28 Aug 2020Great technology. But, people don't actually care about notch, people care about quality.... moreSpeak for yourself, Most people hate the notch. But TBH I would buy a cheaper phone with pop camera if instead, if this is not IP certified. The only reason for an under display camera is waterproofing. Most of the complaints about durability of a pop up camera are based on opinions not real world use.