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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020Umm.. As I already said, it uses remosaicing to construct 10MP image then uses super resolutio... moreWell.
That makes more sense.
But it's not happening as it happens with other sensor.
Because IMX 608 has Quad bayer.
Just try to understand.
A IMX 689 has quad bayer 12MP resolution. You will get 12MP standard and 48MP with debayering.
But For IMX 608 you're getting 10MP as standard because it's a quad bayer.
demosaicing means full resolution no matter what the CFA is.
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020Okay. I've got it now. You're making it complicated to understand. The bayer is... more4 to 1 for 10MP mode and 16 in 1 for 2.5MP (used for FHD recording and super slow motion) mode. The key is that even after remosiacing, the sensor still does the pixel binning.. I know, it's complicated.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020"most would prefer a pop up if there wasn't false myths about it that scared peoples... moreMan !
That guy is a bag of those theories.
You don't wanna hear those.
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020I think you're doing a mistake here.
If the final image is 2.5MP then what's this ... moreUmm.. As I already said, it uses remosaicing to construct 10MP image then uses super resolution stacking to eliminate false colours and wormy artifacts while increasing the resolution.
Essentially, from a sensor that only caries 2.5MP of chroma resolution, a 10MP image is constructed just like a 48MP image is constructed from Quad Bayer 48MP (which is essentially 12MP in terms of chroma resolution). But since 10MP output produced this way suffers from texture distortion and false colours, the camera then stacks multiple images in a Google's super-res-zoom-like manner to cancel out the Bayer pattern. This nearly quadruples the resolution and you end up getting a usable 10MP image with good details with minimal artifacts.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020See this comment:
https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-45725.php#2155015
Remosaicing is differe... moreOkay.
I've got it now.
You're making it complicated to understand.
The bayer is still 4 to 1. The CFA is different.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020See this comment:
https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-45725.php#2155015
Remosaicing is differe... moreI think you're doing a mistake here.
If the final image is 2.5MP then what's this ?
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_p40_pro-review-2089p5.php
It's 10MP.
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020So, you're saying huawei takes the photo at 2.5MP then upscale it to 10MP ?See this comment:
https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-45725.php#2155015
Remosaicing is different from upscaling, by the way.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020GSMArena is wrong then. TechInsights took a photomicrograph on the sensor and it is indeed con... moreSo, you're saying huawei takes the photo at 2.5MP then upscale it to 10MP ?
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020One last confusion. It feels like it's a software bayer like Nokia's 41MP. Actual... moreSee my comment below.
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020Wait ! GSMARENA says it's a Quad bayer.GSMArena is wrong then. TechInsights took a photomicrograph on the sensor and it is indeed confirmed that 16 pixels with the same colour filter are grouped together. Huawei also stated it explicitly during P40 series announcement, and the actual RAW images back up their claim as well (10MP RAW with remosaicing artifacts, instead of 40MP one).
https://www.techinsights.com/blog/imaging-sensing-end-year-highlights
https://nxtmag.tech/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/huawei-p40-pro-launch.jpg
On top of that, this is the only way to explain why 1920fps slow mo is possible on both P40 Pro and Mate 30 Pro. Since Huawei didn't specifically say that they used DRAM-integrated stacked sensor (which they most likely would have if they really did), it's very likely that the sensor was specifically built in a way that allows such high speed readout - that is, very low native resolution.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020It uses remosaicing to construct 10MP image then uses super resolution stacking to eliminate f... moreOne last confusion.
It feels like it's a software bayer like Nokia's 41MP.
Actually it's a Quad bayer.
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020I didn't know about that. That should make the UWA shot at 2.5MP. Is it any good ?It uses remosaicing to construct 10MP image then uses super resolution stacking to eliminate false colours and wormy artifacts. While RAW images from the sensor is utterly unusable, JPEGs and videos are great.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020Basically: Instead of binning 4 or 9 pixels like Quad Bayer or Nonacell senosrs do, the one on... moreWait ! GSMARENA says it's a Quad bayer.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020Basically: Instead of binning 4 or 9 pixels like Quad Bayer or Nonacell senosrs do, the one on... moreI didn't know about that.
That should make the UWA shot at 2.5MP. Is it any good ?
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iOS Never Again, 12 Oct 2020You are the one commenting nonsense in every thread.
Are you enjoying being a laughing stock? It's really interesting how people like you behave !
You're the one who argued last time Apple is lying and LiDAR and ToF is the same thing, no difference.
Now when I'm arguing with a guy who thinks LiDAR is completely a different technology and here you're going against me again.
So, what's your motive actually ?
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AnonD-754814, 13 Oct 2020Well, Your explanation went above my head. Basically: Instead of binning 4 or 9 pixels like Quad Bayer or Nonacell senosrs do, the one on P40 Pro and Mate 30 Pro bins 16 pixels. Hope this will clarify things.
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AnonD-909757, 11 Oct 2020Great explanation, except that it is totally wrong.
You have countless exemples of ToF measur... moreAgain saying,
If a ToF is used for real time 3D depth mapping then it's called LiDAR.
Manufacturers can call it anything they want.
For example Leica calls it's 130000$ LidAR a Laser scanner that doesn't mean it's not a Lidar.
Pixel 4 has 2 IR sensor at 2 different place. You just don't know what triangulation 3d depth mapping is. That's why you're arguing.
You're just confused.
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Nick Tagataka, 13 Oct 2020Both Mate 30 Pro's and P40 Pro's UWA camera uses RGB 16-in-1 Bayer sensor. It has 40... moreWell, Your explanation went above my head.
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AnonD-909757, 11 Oct 2020Most peoples prefer a slim bezel over other solutions, and most would prefer a pop up if there... more"most would prefer a pop up if there wasn't false myths about it that scared peoples away"
What myth? What is the basis for this assumption? "Physically moving parts wear out over time" isn't a myth, by the way.
"A pop up is the best option"
Quite frankly the worst for water resistance that the majority of high end flagship phones come with nowadays.
"And trust me, you want to avoid underdisplay camera"
Because?
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AnonD-754814, 11 Oct 2020We have already discussed on this topic and we both agreed on that 108MP sensor is highly unli... moreBoth Mate 30 Pro's and P40 Pro's UWA camera uses RGB 16-in-1 Bayer sensor. It has 40 million pixels but in reality its chroma resolution is only slightly above FHD.
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