Android.Master, 19 Oct 2020There is no 80mp sensor from any camera sensor manufacturer. Mate series is not known for ... moreAh, not really? Mate 30 Pro didn't use a periscope telephoto lens butt the overall image quality was much superiour to P30 and P30 Pro thanks to the upgraded ISP. This 20MP sensor might end up being 1/1.2" given how large the lens opening is compared to P40 Pro's UWA camera, and this could become a huge upgrade from P40 series hardware wise, but who knows.
AnonD-909757, 19 Oct 2020TL;DR : Telephoto = Lens that allow to see far, Periscope = A configuration where the lens is ... moreAll that regurgitated info you got offline and just the last sentence was needed .
Anonymous, 19 Oct 2020Mate40 Pro = 1100 euros Mate 40 Pro+ = 1400 euros Mate40 RS = 2500 euros I am guessing this too with the Mate 40 starting at $900 (MAYBE $850).
Anonymous, 19 Oct 2020Mate40 Pro = 1100 euros Mate 40 Pro+ = 1400 euros Mate40 RS = 2500 euros Is not 100% sure
Mate40 Pro = 1100 euros
Mate 40 Pro+ = 1400 euros
Mate40 RS = 2500 euros
It's the same camera design as Nokia 5.3
Yesterday octagon, now donut shape camera island... interesting. Am i the only one fell the waste space in the middle can use for gimbal camera ala vivo x50 pro?
LG Superfan, 19 Oct 2020What's the difference between Periscope and Telephoto anyways? So far all phones having 4... moreTL;DR : Telephoto = Lens that allow to see far, Periscope = A configuration where the lens is 90° from the eyepiece/sensor.
Detailed explanation :
Well, first, some explanations about camera, the most popular camera for pro and hobbyist is the DSLR, meaning Digital Single Lens Reflex :
*Digital, as it is numeric rather than using films.
*Single Lens, because there are only a single lens/optic, as some (mainly older ones) had multiple optics.
Reflex, which is a type of way to look at what you are shooting, on Reflex, there is a mirror in the way of the sensor who put the light into the aiming optic, allowing you to optically see exactly what the sensor see, alternatively, Mirrorless basically have a display rather than a mirror and use the camera sensor as a video camera so you see what the sensor see.
Though you the Digital part is an extra, all that is helpful to understand, as I said, there are some older camera with multiple lenses, here is an exemple :
And not just two :
And it is because, on a single camera, you can have multiple type of optics for multiple jobs, there is also a different type of "multiple lenses" where there is only a single camera body lens but multiple objectives that can rotate to get in front like a Microscope :
All that because there are multiple type of lenses that can do multiple jobs, on Smartphones there are 5, the standard which on smartphone is a "Wide", the Ultrawide, the Telephoto, the Portrait and the Macro.
DSLR have them along with other, here are some exemples images that describe their use :
Basically a Telephoto is a lens that allow a magnification higher than 1, which is the opposite of a Ultra-Wide which have a magnification bellow 1 to allow a larger field of view.
While a Zoom is something that basically usually goes from Wide (large Field of view) to Telephoto (Small Field of view).
A Telephoto can (and often is) able to have continuous magnification adjustment, it isn't just fixed.
Now the difference with a smartphone is that on smartphone, you don't have a lens that you can change, the "camera" is the full set from the sensor and its included lenses, and they are really densely packed :
The way it is all a single pack of sensor + lens act like the typical Compact Body or Point & Shoot :
Which, as you see, have a moving lens system that extend to handle magnification (zoom) and focus, but Smartphones don't have this luxury, and that is despite DSLR telephoto being always long by necessity :
And the small one in this image is part of the smallest you can have.
This is the same thing with Rifle Scopes which are also long by necessity :
(this image is of an Airsoft Rifle, not a real weapon, but appearance, size and function of the scope are identical).
And so, in order to allow the length necessary for a good high optical magnification (as "Zoom" is a language abuse, like LiDAR, Hoverboard, Virtual Reality, etc), rather than squeezing all lenses together in front of the sensor, they laid them flat so they can have the required space, like this :
Here you see both a regular and a periscope sensor, here are some others exemples :
And the best one being the Huawei P40 Pro+ Periscope :
Note that Periscope isn't only about Telephoto, as all those are "Periscopes" :
Although not really as real Periscope have two 90° mirror/prisms, so, again, language abuse...
Real periscope are those :
And of course, submarine periscopes.
I made my own design which allow for selecting between two periscope and have a long optic path to allow both deep focus control and high magnification capabilities, though it is only a "concept design" as the real one would be way more compact :
And despite being a periscope, it would allow for Telephoto but also Ultra-Wide angle, both with continuous variable magnification (zoom), and allow the Telephoto to double as both Portrait and Macro, and a slightly more advanced design with a Reflex like mirror would allow to also put the front camera (using a pop up) through the main sensor.
So in fact the subject is quite more complex than what we might think.
But in general, Periscopes on smartphones are another configuration of Telephoto lenses.
Android.Master, 19 Oct 2020There is no 80mp sensor from any camera sensor manufacturer.
Mate series is not known for ... moreHuawei using custom Sony sensor. It still a mystery until Huawei itself revealed what IMX series its using, usually after the phone launch.
Mate series usually keeps the same main sensor as previous P series, but the processing are more polished, along with liquid lens tech added in this particular Mate 40 series. Its UWA sensor (Cine lens) usually newer in Mate series as well, this time around using 9P lens. There is high chance that its using 80mp (leak rumors everywhere), but seems like they lock it at pixel binned res, 20mp.
But yeah, lets just see this Thursday.
AnonD-754814, 19 Oct 2020You might wanna look out for the Kirin SoC.What about it?
MATE 30 PRO, 19 Oct 2020Mate 40 RS -> https://i.ibb.co/47bwJ3X/Mate-40-RS.jpgDoes exist any similar cover case for Mate 30 Pro ???
NOKIA is that you?
At least huawei does not fool costumers and count 5x from ultra wide like Apple.
Android.Master, 19 Oct 2020He is just pissed that his iPhone is still stuck at 60hz, camera still stuck at 12Mp, no peris... moreThe only reason you fAndroids even use antutu is because it lines up directly with your biased perceptions.
This conversation has nothing to do with fAndroids like u or apple. That guy was trashing on huawei.
Move all the camera hardware to a corner please. Too easy to smudge with everything centered on the phone. Also FLAT SCREEN
Anonymous, 19 Oct 2020Very very suspicious. Whenever there is a Samsung, Nokia or an iPhone (basically any non-Chine... moreListen here you little buddy, they're the 2nd in the global market for a reason. They made it cool to take a picture of the moon with their p20 series where it was all about the zoom and till date huawei's got some nerve to exist in the Android line without gms though harmony OS is said to rollout next year for phones. They've made stuff that's futuristic into everyday stuff. They were the ones to use a periscope sensor in the first place back when no one gave a crap about rear cameras' zoom capabilities.