MediaTek MT6893's single-core performance higher than Dimensity 1000+ Comments
- Shanti Dope
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O S, 15 Nov 2020MediaTek could compete with Qualcomm; if only MediaTek maximized ARM architectures to the full... moreThat's a ridiculous setup.
Having two Cortex X1s would be so bad in terrms of thermal performance, unless you limit both of them at just around 1.5GHz, in which they'd be just as good as two normal Cortex A78. You'd need cooling fans inside laptops to maintain tolerable sustained performance when you have that configuration, and bear with the amount of noise that those cooling fans create.
As, for Mali G78 MP24, it was already a proven fact that it is simply inefficient. Mate 40 Pro's benchmark results of that configuration shows that it cannot sustain that performance for long, so Huawei used a trick by alternating the performance from peak to worst, then picks up again to peak, then lowers down again to lowest levels, and so and and so forth. That technique would cause fluctuations in frame rates when playing games.
Comparing it to the Adreno 650 of the SD865/865+, which is ever-so-slightly weaker in performance, but outclasses the G78 MP24 by far in sustainability and consistency of performance.
Not even 5nm architechture could make it perform consistently without causing too much heat.
It is exactly one of the reasons why Qualcomm is still the top pick for high-end processors for Android. Expensive as you will say, at least they deliver the best possible performance in a very practical and usable way.
Trying so hard to beat them, others just went nuts by maximizing the power of the Mali G78 but failed horribly from the side effects of doing it.
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Ali Othman, 14 Nov 2020Hopefully it's a cheaper alternative for snapdragon 875 in 2021...It's not even close. This will compete with Snapdragon 775 or Exynos 1080
- Anonymous
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Bigfan8611, 15 Nov 2020It depends on what your phone is doing, i.e. the workload. Because of how coding is done, it&#... morecan you give a watered up explanation then, just curious
- Bigfan8611
- IPc
cheapsk8, 14 Nov 2020How does single-core benchmarking work? I mean, in real usage scenario isn't the fastest ... moreIt depends on what your phone is doing, i.e. the workload. Because of how coding is done, it's hard for most programs to run on more than one CPU core, so programmers just don't bother for a lot of things.
Many workloads give the CPU a bunch of code at the same time, so your CPU wants to do it as fast as possible to reduce load times and such. Because a lot of it only runs on a single core, you want that core to be as fast as possible.
Benchmarks are meant to represent workloads but be easier to measure, so anything representative of things like web browsing, most games etc. should be on a single core.
I watered a lot of that down, sorry
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Shanti Dope, 14 Nov 2020Still they can't completely beat Qualcomm if they continue using Mali GPUs.
Even Samsung... moreMediaTek could compete with Qualcomm; if only MediaTek maximized ARM architectures to the fullest
Apple A14 has 2 (3.1GHz) + 4 (1.8GHz) CPU and 16-core NPU (11TOPS)
Imagine a MediaTek SoC with the following configuration:
CPU = 2 Cortex X1 (3.17GHz), 2 Cortex A78 (2.57GHz), and 4 Cortex A55 (1.97GHz)
GPU = Mali G78 MP24 1GHz (3TFLOPS)
NPU = Ethos N78 MP16 (20TOPS)
MMU = Cortex R82 MP8
SMU = CortexM55 + Ethos U65
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- Bigfan8611
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Breaking news: next year's chipset with A78 cores performs better than this year's with A77 cores. It is rumoured the chipset, which has the same core hierarchy, will aim for the same price point.
We don't know how Qualcomm will respond, but it's possible they will release a new chipset in the next 12 months. We have reports saying it might be called 775, or even 875, maybe possibly. We aren't sure how they'd improve on their A77 designs though.
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Anonymous, 14 Nov 2020Just because you can buy these devices (made only for the Chinese market) from alliexpress, it... moreyou get global rom versions of them from aliexpress too, you just need to pay attention what you buy. I got my note 5 ai dual cam trough aliexpress for 170 euro over 2 years ago. And i dont care for the warranty. Phone have lasted over 2 years for me and i am happy with it. If it broke now then it have done it's job well for the 170 euro. Next phone for me be up to 200 that will satisfy next 2-3 years. From this price point everything is extra like how much updates it gets so i go for better specs for lower cost. And OS skin dont matter for me too as it is what makes it special for a brand name. Back when Nokia was Nokia i bought them cause there was like eericsson or motorola as competition and Nokia is like big brother country for me. I bough them cause they were different even with symbian. Then i like them a lot when they were with windows. But now under HDM they are just like any other Asian phone with low specs high price just for pure android that dont make Nokia feel like different or special.And up to 200 euro i have nothing to look from Nokia list when competition have up to 300 euro range hardware in that price that would be for Nokia
- Shanti Dope
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Anonymous, 14 Nov 2020You can beat Qualcomm with Mali...
Dimensity 1000+ with Mali G77mp9 strangely beats Exynos wi... moreYou're literally comparing a 2019-made GPU to a 2020-made graphics series from ARM and you're promoting how it barely beats a one-year older GPU from Qualcomm?
As if Qualcomm will be standing still anyway, the next Adreno found inside the upcoming SD875 would once again be ahead of the flagship Mali G78 graphics that most other chipmakers will be using in their high-end SoCs, even if they maximize the core count, and we're not yet talking about thermal throttling just yet.
Clearly Qualcomm is ahead of the pack in the graphics department, and it's basically just Samsung's partnership with AMD where we can hope that they'd finally have their worthy competitor. Adreno GPUs were derived from AMD graphics as well after all, so we can expect better competition in the GPU by 2022 instead.
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YUKI93, 14 Nov 2020Potential Dimensity 1000 series replacement?No this is the 6nm based Exynos 1080 competitor.
- digitaldevil
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Anonymous, 14 Nov 2020Just because you can buy these devices (made only for the Chinese market) from alliexpress, it... morethere is solution for everything soft , bands... check before buy
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This comparison isn't fair, it's Geekbench 4.0 vs 4.4, I've already ran both versions on my phone and Geekbench 4.0 always gives 300 points more in single core and 400 points less in multi core score compared to 4.4.
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Snipnoob, 14 Nov 2020This processor will not be the replacement flagship of the Dimensity 1000+, the configuration ... moreLets see which among the two co panies can do a better software optimization
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Anonymous, 14 Nov 2020You can beat Qualcomm with Mali... Dimensity 1000+ with Mali G77mp9 strangely beats Exynos wi... moreU cannot place all gpu cores as it will produce heat and takeup space so for efficiency purpose they choose to come with less no of cores.Moreover the software optimization matters a lot if the software is optimized correctly then the mali gpu can also be strong and efficient
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Anonymous, 14 Nov 2020Just because you can buy these devices (made only for the Chinese market) from alliexpress, it... moreAnd I'm guessing we should get the Snapdragon processors instead right??.
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cheapsk8, 14 Nov 2020How does single-core benchmarking work? I mean, in real usage scenario isn't the fastest ... moreOn sd 855, the prime core is used at max clock when opening apps, switching apps, some games on 60 fps, etc and the big and small cores are sometimes at low clocks for this duration. So single core scores do matter.
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Shanti Dope, 14 Nov 2020Still they can't completely beat Qualcomm if they continue using Mali GPUs.
Even Samsung... moreYou can beat Qualcomm with Mali...
Dimensity 1000+ with Mali G77mp9 strangely beats Exynos with G77mp11...by far when it comes to sustained performances...Samsung failed, not Mali
You only have to put the maximum number of cores. G77mp16 should beat Adreno on SD865 without any problem
Wake up, it's no longer the old G72.
Performances raise by 2 between G72 and G76
And by 33% between G76 and G77
The questions are :
- at what price?
- will you sell your soc at this price?
- Shanti Dope
- sxs
Markuss, 14 Nov 2020mediatek is silently improving soc. QC is now worried.Still they can't completely beat Qualcomm if they continue using Mali GPUs.
Even Samsung realized that and made the call to switch to AMD GPUs in 2021.
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