SShreyas, 31 Dec 2020I can make most of the phones last 10 years, very easily. As I said, my OnePlus One works bett... moreIf you say so.
The number of available differents models is rare, c'mon don't tell me the OnePlus 7(t) Pro/7t Pro, Mi 9(t) Pro, K20(t) Pro, Poco F2 Pro, K30 Pro and all other phones with pop up only sold few.
All those I just quoted were often (and still are) among the most popular smartphone ever made and often still top popularity charts.
There are enough to find quite enough display, battery, and electronics failure, almost none for the pop up.
So you just basically summarize by saying you have extremely out of the ordinary tastes and practices.
Also, lol, the pop up is only actuated when you use the front camera, it does so smoothly with a linear motion that you said yourself you don't use often and it doesn't wear at all when not in use.
Still, you complain about it, yet you use handheld gimbal, which are constantly moving and need to quickly adjust and therefore make a lot of abrupt motion, get real, you are wining over nothing.
LCD have burn-in too BTW.
LG Wing had a huge success, it was NEVER intended to be sold at 1000m Million units.
If we listen to you, smartphones would be feature-phone with a tactile, lead battery and fixed focus cameras.
There is a HUGE difference between demanding a feature and spitting over another one.
You want phone without moving parts, fine, look and ask for that, but how does the pop up prevent you from finding one?
Complaining about punch hole or notch that are everywhere and literally prevent other options, yeah, sure, that's literally what complaining is for, but something that only a handful of devices has, is disappearing and many still want, heck no.
It would be like complaining that a game have a colorblind feature.
It isn't as if the pop up would take over and flood the market as the punch hole did, even I who love it wouldn't want that.
There isn't, just apply the rule that "the least ethical/good it is, the more the people complaining about it are few but loud".
And people complaining that something they can perfectly ignore, that is on the bring of extinction and that many still want is anything but ethical.
Don't say it too soon, haven't you learned the lesson yet?
And it will be a great year if those who could just perfectly not say anything and leave something that have nothing to do with them and who isn't causing any arm, could just keep it shut.
And note that here there is a HUGE difference between saying you don't like something, and writing lies and saying it is a bad thing and/or should disappear.
AnonD-909757, 27 Dec 2020Most modern phone won't last 10 years anyway, and because of how increasingly fast tech, ... moreI can make most of the phones last 10 years, very easily. As I said, my OnePlus One works better than most of sub $200 phones of today. I'd rather spend time searching for a better, third party OS than to buy a new phone. There are no "more and more external services", buddy. Only once in a year I have to update my devices, either for software upgrade or security patch. And in OnePlus One, I don't even think about that. It is officially supports Android 10. Actually, most phone that were launched post 2016 supports android 10.
Once again, let me make myself clear. If like a design, I "like" it. And it does NOT mean that I am gonna buy it. GSMArena's profile shows my "favourite" devices, not "shortlisted/wishlisted" devices.
For your second comment:
On one hand, you yourself accept that pop ups are extremely rare. And on the other hand, you argue that pop ups are reliable.
How can you claim a technology to be reliable that doesn't represent any significant market share?
Anyways, I dont consider OLED phones. OIS doesn't bother me because I have handheld gimbal. Neither does vibration motor because I prefer silent mode over vibration one. Physical buttons? Yeah, I had to change them once on my HTC. But, you know. There aren't any other reliable alternative for buttons. I don't want to depend on software.
LG Wing failed to attract buyers, bro. It's never a good idea to integrate a gimbal (or OIS) in phones. Fan? They are present on gaming phones, which again are the most unreliable class of smartphones. For foldable/rollable phones, I don't like them. I love curved screen but refrain from buying them for they have least practical uses.
Fear monger? Just like you want a solution for camera-less front camera, I also want a reliable phone with NO moving parts at all. Both of us are demanding for what we want. Now, it isn't my fault that there are more people like me than you.
Anyways, Happy New Year.
SShreyas, 27 Dec 2020For me, it doesn't matter. I just have to make a smartphone survive its first year, then ... moreMost modern phone won't last 10 years anyway, and because of how increasingly fast tech, but also software and firmware, along with protocols are evolving, even if the hardware survive you'll end up with a paperweight.
More and more external services that have to actively support devices are a thing, there is only so much the community can do.
Not believing in something is a thing, calumny is another.
Spreading lies DO contribute to negatively impact things.
The difference is that I don't go around saying A or B foldable phone have X or Y issues.
It is in my list because it doesn't have front camera which is something I also fight for.
And as a matter of fact, yes, I did consider more than once buying such phone.
Go ahead, like designs associated with poor durability, survivability, and fragility that did prove more than one in drop tests its weaknesses while you say blatantly illogical identical things about one who proves its worth, much credibility.
SShreyas, 27 Dec 2020Humor? Comparing smartphone with space shuttle is called "humor"?
Then, my dear fr... moreI talked about how I said you edited the comment, the "Oh sneaky one", but I am not surprised you couldn't understood a simple thing.
And I insist on "little humorous part", I didn't claim it Is award winning or a joke, that just scary I have to make such disclaimer.
You are ONE among MANY who spread total bull feces myths about the pop up, EVERY ONE of you are responsible.
If the pop up was indeed fragile and had issues, it would be fine, but here, fear mongers like you actively ruin a perfectly working tech that suffer no particular issues what so ever, based only on supposition you pull out of your gluteus maximus, and where real life proved your imaginary wear, durability and reliability issues only exist in your mind.
There are more posts about those lies than the actual number of pop up who actually had hardware related issues.
All it take is ONE post from ONE skeptically scared pessimistic guy to scare away A LOT of consumers.
It isn't about what I believe, it is about FACTS, and facts are that the pop up have more than proven how reliable, tough, and durable it is.
You can believe what you want, but stating your beliefs as facts is a totally different story.
Many actually don't care about moving parts, and the industry certainly isn't afraid of them.
Why don't you complain about vibration motor, speaker(s), lenses focus, optical zoom, optical stabilisation, and physical buttons?
All those are moving parts.
With now foldable, rollable, Periscope Telephoto, gimbal, physical fan, and all that, the industry more than ever go towards moving parts, only fear mongers like you prevent from going forward and adopting something like compliant technology.
AnonD-909757, 27 Dec 2020Except that phones are DESIGNED to last barely over 3 years, if anything it makes the pop up, ... moreFor me, it doesn't matter. I just have to make a smartphone survive its first year, then a simple third party OS will help it survive the next year. So, software is never a issue for me. But hardware is. I can't say about you, but I don't believe pop ups to be reliable and would definitely like to stay firm on my view.
Ruin it for OTHERS? Who you think I am? Son of Duan Yongping? I am merely a consumer, a SINGLE consumer.
Hypocritical? Seriously? You have Mate XS in your favorite devices' list. Have you ever considered buying it?
I have Mate 40 RS Porsche Design. That doesn't I am gonna buy it or even consider it. Its simply the "kind" of design I like. THAT'S IT
AnonD-909757, 27 Dec 2020The fact that YOU don't trust moving parts DOESN'T MEAN they don't last, they a... moreHumor? Comparing smartphone with space shuttle is called "humor"?
Then, my dear friend, I have never met anyone more humorous than you for no one, except you have compared shuttle with smartphone.
I am just ONE single consumer on this planet. And if pop up cameras are failing to persuade people to buy it, then how on earth am I responsible for it?
If you believe that pop ups are reliable, then keep believing it and let other believe what they want to.
There are very, very few people who likes to have a moving part on their smartphone and you are one of them. And that isn't my faul.
SShreyas, 27 Dec 2020Should I care? Yes, not many people can take care of their phone. It's not a cup of tea o... moreExcept that phones are DESIGNED to last barely over 3 years, if anything it makes the pop up, which is few steel parts and a normal electric motor the most reliable part of the phone as they can't predict how much uses it will have.
The fact that you hate trust issues doesn't mean that the pop up is bad or won't last.
You have 99% of the phones models yearly released that have no pop up, if you don't like it, just ignore it and move on.
It isn't like the punch hole or teardrop notch that are everywhere, you have bazillion of phones without the pop up to choose from, don't ruin it for others with your skeptical fear mongering fantasy and go buy Galaxy S8 Active or another armored phone and call it a day.
Also you are a huge hypocritical, in your fav devices list includes smartphone with curved edge display, which is the worse when it comes to durability, as a single drop on the side, and no more displays, unlike pop up who did prove a bazillion times to survive extreme torture that bricked the rest of the phone.
SShreyas, 27 Dec 2020So? I use the reverse gear in my very less as compared to ther other 6 gears. Should I buy a c... moreThe fact that YOU don't trust moving parts DOESN'T MEAN they don't last, they aren't reliable or durable and have nothing to do with a faulty thing, you are just afraid,it doesn't make the reliability decrease.
Go ahead, look for pop up failure reports, and for the same phone, look at how many displays, battery and electronics failure there are.
Based on how you took this little humorous part aggressive tell a lot about you.
You did, you added the "intellect" part.
AnonD-909757, 24 Dec 2020Then you are part of a tiny minority, almost everyone changes their phone every 2 to 3 years.
... moreShould I care? Yes, not many people can take care of their phone. It's not a cup of tea of everybody to keep using the same phone for a decade. And that's not my problem anyways. I will buy a smartphone according to MY needs. And my most important need is the to make sure that the phone I buy at least last me a decade.
I am no supporter of capitalism malpractices. Sustainable development and capitalism can never go hand in hand.
And yeah. The pop-up camera is just one of those practices of manufacturers which forces people to buy a new phone.
AnonD-909757, 24 Dec 2020Oh sneaky one, you edited your comment.
Space Shuttle or Floppy Disk Reader, regardless, it i... moreSo? I use the reverse gear in my very less as compared to ther other 6 gears. Should I buy a car with a faulty reverse gear just becausei don't use it much anyway?
Just like you wanted to compare a smartphone with a space shuttle, I also compared it with a car.
And BTW, GSMArena doesn't allow a comment to be edited after 10 minutes of posting. Although I don't remember editing my comment. And even if I had, it's your fault you didn't read it earlier. Because its impossible to edit the same days after posting it.
Anonymous, 24 Dec 2020The same argument could be said for non-moving parts. If they are reliable, why not provide 10... moreNope. At least to me, non-moving parts have never ditched me.
And they are reliable. Most of the people don't face issues with non-moving parts. As always, there is always a possibility of manufacturing defect. But that's less than one in a million.
And as I said my 12 year old Symbian phone, with only non-moving parts is working fine. So I just want assurance that a moving part is as reliable as a non-moving parts. And the best way to assure is to provide warranty.
SShreyas, 24 Dec 20203 years? MAXIMUM? Since I don't need the flagship 8-series processor or double digits of ... moreThe same argument could be said for non-moving parts. If they are reliable, why not provide 10-year warranties? In other words, it's a silly argument.
KondriX, 24 Dec 2020It's good to take care of your privacy but I think you are over-obssesed with it. If you ... moreNope, you are oblivious to all the very real and resinous risks the lack of privacy cause.
Blackmail, identify thief, oppression or even targeting of minorities, mass surveillance that can lead to ANY government turning to dictatorship, and yes by "any" I also mean USA.
And those are only parts on the worst, don't even get me started with the upcoming neural interfaces...add to than ton of lesser, but still really serious nonetheless...
And you get how dystopian our future look.
Also, not using the internet at all is one of those lame anti privacy arguments up there equally as stupid as "if you don't want headaches, just don't have an head", "if you don't want to feel pain, just don't have a nervous system".
We should fight to have privacy, not accommodate than we live in a world where private life and intimacy are disappearing.
Anonymous, 24 Dec 20201. I bet that under display will become mainstream
2. Am I happy about it? Not really. Why?... moreOr make a big flop after people get hit by reality.
Pop up, flip up, same fight, "durability/wear" fear mongering idiots talk about both the same way.
Because in this case, my own camera concept is even better as every mode, including front camera udi the same sensor :
SShreyas, 24 Dec 20203 years? MAXIMUM? Since I don't need the flagship 8-series processor or double digits of ... moreOh sneaky one, you edited your comment.
Space Shuttle or Floppy Disk Reader, regardless, it is all about moving parts, Floppy Disk Reader which by the way have the same mechanism that pop up, except there move a bazillion time more per use, and can still last well over 10 years.
You are the one proving your "intellect" by being afraid of something that only wears when used and not using it much anyway.
AnonD-909757, 24 Dec 2020Then you are part of a tiny minority, almost everyone changes their phone every 2 to 3 years. ... moreIt's good to take care of your privacy but I think you are over-obssesed with it. If you really want privacy you should not use internet at all. How did you live till now with phones with selfie camera on the front? Only if you used some featurephone, because till pop-up camera all smartphones had a front camera. Really I don't really care much about selfies, but if I have to choose between the pop-up and underdisplay, I would choose the later, because I don't like moving parts on a phone. But as you said, diversity is always good.
Imagine 3-4 years later - "under display camera just got real", when Apple invents the tech...sounds familiar? (5g)
Zack is hilarious with his thin Apple and Samsung roasts :-D
AnonD-909757, 23 Dec 2020As long as ignorant idiots keep talking about imaginary issues, indeed, it won't.
But ac... more1. I bet that under display will become mainstream
2. Am I happy about it? Not really. Why? Becouse flip cameras exist, which clear all the problems with the pop-ups, the zenfone 7/7 pro displays this wonderfully. I mean why have a slightly (very slightly) conserning, nerfed selfie camera when you can have a slightly conserning, world's best selfie camera.
SShreyas, 24 Dec 20203 years? MAXIMUM? Since I don't need the flagship 8-series processor or double digits of ... moreThen you are part of a tiny minority, almost everyone changes their phone every 2 to 3 years.
Then why phones without the pop up aren't?
It isn't the pop up's fault.
Go thanks Uncle Sam and good old capitalism with practices such as planned obsolescence, non removable batteries, software updates that make properly working devices becoming slow, drop of updates of any kind, and all that.
But don't blame it on the pop up which will probably still operate fine in 10 years, and even if it doesn't, it is cheap and easy to replace.