Rumors of Kirin 9010 built on 3 nm surface, but that's not happening (this year) Comments
- filippos
- n$L
Tomorrow, 05 Jan 2021What might make sense, is that they are using some upcoming unkown fab tech. The Chinese gove... moreI do agree with that could be a viable plan, but my best guess is the best Chinese best fab tech is still on 5nm, dont get me wrong, i read your text context and i couldnt agree more with most things you said, just the Samsung plan i posted about seems way most likely, have a look at this link https://www.pcgamesn.com/samsung-3nm-production-performance
- filippos
- n$L
It is possible, samsung has already researched on this, and has successfully produced demos of 3nm, in 2019 as of this article, just ion have high hopes for this since samsung fab proccess hasnt ever been quite one of the good ones, tsmc has always been inferior, i guess they could partner up with the big stack of money that Huawei has to offer and team up for a (secret) factory in china(?,maybe would be the better option due to strategical advantage, seems to be that way, cause huawei always opts for the silent releases of the products, as they tend to work always alone, almost never teaming up-depending on other manufacturers at a big level), that seems most likely to be the plan, if it ever works out.. I guess we'll see.
Source: https://wikidocumentaries-demo.wmflabs.org/Q63207578?language=en
- Luigge
- GHb
Dude, I saw on other news that a 5nm transistor have 25 atoms of size...
25 atoms?! How do you abstract that into your mind?
That is so small and now they will soon produce 3nm transistors that by being smaller I suppose 15 atoms or so...
That is so freaking small...
- Tomorrow
- 7sr
What might make sense, is that they are using some upcoming unkown fab tech. The Chinese government operates strategically, they had long been investing more in basic research than the rest of the world combined. They want to be free from US control. Unless this is strategic, they expect the US barriers to come down, it's probably some other country's technology, even China's. They will be making back ground efforts to do these levels.
The US high tech sector is on borrowed time. It was coming, but since the trade embargo on high tech, it is definitely looming. They have even been raiding and siezing stuff in third countries, as reported here, and laying claims on product made with their previously exported and sold equipment. The US has been operating strategicaly bad, except for a few people, a few industries. This wrecklessness, is coming back to bite them in the back.
3nm is significant, because it is approaching a limit of current technology timeline. There was 1nm transistor showed off, but how good will that be, and how to manufacture it? The minimum atom size is around 0.1nm. The smaller you go on conventional technology, the more unreliable the transistor function gets. 3nm or 2.x, is probably a good place to be fir now.
- Anonymous
- 70d
Anonymous, 05 Jan 2021I thought that Apple A & M silicons were also fabricated by TSMC??Yes, Apple doesn't manufacture chips. His reply doesn't make any sense.
- Anonymous
- n70
JDK, 05 Jan 2021Apple. LoL I knew you would ignore it! "BuT tHe cHiP iS tHe tHrRoTtLe KiNg Of CoUrS... moreI thought that Apple A & M silicons were also fabricated by TSMC??
- abigfanoftechs
- 99A
JDK, 05 Jan 2021Apple.
LoL I knew you would ignore it!
"BuT tHe cHiP iS tHe tHrRoTtLe KiNg Of CoUrS... moreFanbois just react without reading first. ;)
- Anonymous
- 70d
JDK, 05 Jan 2021Apple. LoL I knew you would ignore it! "BuT tHe cHiP iS tHe tHrRoTtLe KiNg Of CoUrS... moreAre you illiterate? Apple won't make chips for Huawei.
- JDK
- ybx
abigfanoftechs, 05 Jan 2021There is no way TMSC will make chips for Huawei in the near future.
Unlikely Samsung will be ... moreApple.
LoL I knew you would ignore it!
"BuT tHe cHiP iS tHe tHrRoTtLe KiNg Of CoUrSe!!!!!!!!!!"
- abigfanoftechs
- 99A
There is no way TMSC will make chips for Huawei in the near future.
Unlikely Samsung will be allowed too.
Chinese fabs are nowhere capable near 5nm, let alone 3nm.
So who is left?
- Anonymous
- vGj
TheLastOracle, 05 Jan 2021Nobody is making 3nm before TSMC. If they tell you otherwise, it's just bluff. Samsung
- TheLastOracle
- KAR
Nobody is making 3nm before TSMC. If they tell you otherwise, it's just bluff.
- Aierlan
- kJ}
dbjungle, 05 Jan 2021How are they gonna get it fabbed at TSMC tho??? 🤔They can't unless the rules change by then but it's still some time away and there will be a new US Federal Government so there's always a possibility of a rule change
- Anonymous
- fJ5
dbjungle, 05 Jan 2021How are they gonna get it fabbed at TSMC tho??? 🤔By giving them a big pile of money.
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