Samsung to introduce a plethora of ISOCELL sensors, 200MP included Comments
- YUKI93
- IWc
IMX363, 10 Jan 2021200MP? What a waste! The holy grail would be 24-32MP 1" sensor. Now that would be an amaz... moreI definitely want to see the return of Panasonic Lumix CM1 with a modern 1" sensor and glass, latest-gen OIS+EIS, and also Xenon flash.
- YUKI93
- IWc
I wonder if that 200MP camera would be a Quad Bayer 50MP sensor or 16-in-1 (?) Bayer 12.5MP sensor.
- Nick Tagataka
- Xpf
200MP on a 1 inch sensor? That's borderline suicidal to say the least, even after the Tetracell binning the light sensitivity wouldn't be impressive due to its tiny pixel pitch. Just give us 80MP (or 40MP if they *really* want to insist on the importance of recording 8K videos with a phone camera) 3:2 Tetracell sensor of the same size and I bet none of us will complain.
- Nick Tagataka
- Xpf
Anonymous, 10 Jan 2021Problems are:
- phones use cheap pplastic lenses. Cant resolve even 5MP. So they have to a... more1. Such an outright BS you're spewing yet again. Those plastic lenses on mobile phone cameras, if designed well enough, are capable of resolving 12-16MP worth of details towards the corner and >60MP on the centre of the frame. GSMArena's balcony shots from most phones show false colours on the patterns of the building - And in case you don't know, if the lens doesn't have a higher optical resolution than the sensor resolution, false colours won't show up.
2. Show me official documentations from Sony or Samsung that suggest ISOCELL sensors have a wider shield between each pixel than Exmor sensors do.
3. Super resolution zoom on a Quad Bayer sensor is still an added convenience that works great for point and shoot cameras, especially for smartphones with severe internal space restriction. DSLRs/Mirrorless use an optical zoom because it works better, but that doesn't mean the super resolution zoom is a poor solution by any mean.
- Anonymous
- C9P
AnonD-973296, 09 Jan 2021and does that improve picture quality?What do you think...you think they made a new sensor for crappies quality photos... smh
- DrakeX
- RIG
Anonymous, 10 Jan 2021No?
The 52mm camera of iPhone 7+, X and Xs is isocell...
3 of 4 cameras of Xperia 1 are... moreI was referring to flagship sensor not their budget sensors....
1) iPhones use ISOCELL? Do you have source for that? No one can point out all the iPhones camera sensor names. If you have it, I'd be interested to know.
2) Sony uses it for their telephoto and ultrawide not the main rear (IMX445).
3)This one's obvious, some brands even mention the name. Of course Sony IMX586 is better than Samsung GM1 because the former is true 48 MP while the latter is interpolated to 48 MP.
4) Which one? HTC 10? Front camera.
5) Give me an example of what phone uses an 8 MP Samsung sensor. Sony has used a couple for their front.
- Anonymous
- Dpc
Anonymous, 10 Jan 2021Yes. But still inferior to Sony counterparts Proof??
- Anonymous
- gnJ
Samsung innovating as usual
- Anonymous
- yAL
IMX363, 10 Jan 2021200MP? What a waste! The holy grail would be 24-32MP 1" sensor. Now that would be an amaz... moreI think 24mp can't give you 8K videos so i doubt they'll go anything lower than 33mp. Besides, if they decide to give you 12K video, they can :P
- IMX363
- 0mL
200MP? What a waste! The holy grail would be 24-32MP 1" sensor. Now that would be an amazing sensor.
Anonymous, 09 Jan 20211) All exmor are superior to their Isocell counterpart.
2) Sony is not stupid to make a 20... more1) Plz give sources for your bold statement.
2) Why would Sony make 200mp for medium format? The reason why high megapixel race began is because one can get higher effective pixel size by keeping sensor size small (which is a priority on smartphones which cannot accommodate huge sub 1 inch sensors without increasing phone thickness)
S20 ultra achieves same effective pixel size as a 1" sensor while keeping the size to 1/1.33".
3) Which camera sensor tech did Samsung copy from Sony?
Don't say 960fps recording since we know Samsung did it better than Sony.
- ryr18169
- XUR
why don't sensor maker just make a 1" sensor / 16mm sensor with low megapixel for android with normal camera bump? BMPCC 2013 are somehow still superior to smartphone thesedays (The sensor size is only 16mm , not twice bigger than most flahsiop smartphone have thesedays)
- Anonymous
- JT5
Anonymous, 10 Jan 2021Need to wait and see the pictures that this thing actually produces, before saying anything fo... moreProblems are:
- phones use cheap pplastic lenses. Cant resolve even 5MP. So they have to abuse sharpness to still look inferior to any pocket camera.
- for example, a 48MP quadbayer takes more space than 12Mp bayer (gap between pixels) Also samsung sensors have thicker "frames" than sonu sensors.
- if digital zoom was something good, then professinal cameras would have this ability.
- Anonymous
- R0G
Need to wait and see the pictures that this thing actually produces, before saying anything for sure.
But right now, this looks like the BS numbers game that phone makers are playing (hello 2mp macro cameras, a part of the obligatory 2 added garbage sticker cameras) to screech "muh big number stonk".
The fact is that it's something that we can actually use our own eyes to ascertain, that Samsung sensors are just okay at best, and nothing to write home about. Also in many instances worse than the sony equivalent. Unless they fix their core basics, the megapixel marketing number means little to the real life, non-fanboy user.
- Anonymous
- 8xQ
AnonD-973296, 09 Jan 2021and does that improve picture quality?I believe the biggest advantage would be noise reduction, specially in night mode. But otherwise I think a new lens development would be more interesting news, 99% of the people won't be taking 200mp images, there will be some kind of pixel binning like we've seen so far
- Anonymous
- 7kb
Anonymous, 09 Jan 2021S20 Ultra has a 72mm2 sensor, while S20 has a 43mm2.
S20 Ultra should easily outperform S20 ... moreS20 has same sensor as Xperia 5 II yet image quality on Samsung is miles better than Sony.
How??
- Anonymous
- JT5
AnonD-973296, 09 Jan 2021and does that improve picture quality?Yes. But still inferior to Sony counterparts
- Anonymous
- nI8
These super high pixel counts are just for bragging rights; there's no discernible improvement for 108MP over a big 12MP sensor.
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