Samsung details the ISOCELL HM3 - the 108 MP sensor used in the Galaxy S21 Ultra Comments
- Nick Tagataka
- Xpf
Shui8, 19 Jan 2021Danny Winget already publish it - https://youtu.be/v1xN4syYmlA The 3x & 10x optical is ... moreThanks, I'll take a look!
- Kman
- tq6
Can anyone tell me how many minutes I can shoot a 8k video on a 128GB phone of Samsung S21... without SD Card ?
- Nick Tagataka
- Xpf
P C M, 19 Jan 2021"Knowledge, intellect, preference are differ from one another."
I don't unders... more"the 50MP RYYB sensor capture excellent Dynamic range"
That's just more aggressive HDR, nothing to do with the sensor itself.
- Nick Tagataka
- Xpf
P C M, 19 Jan 2021About P40 pro+
"In our experience, it's not worth shooting in 50MP and then go thro... moreMate 40 Pro's 50MP shots are essentially upscaled 12.5MP photos so they aren't worth looking into. I'm pretty sure Pro+ has the AI 50MP mode but then it's not available for sales right now and we have no samples from that phone on the internet. One suitable example I can give you regarding this topic - whether a Nonacell sensor can outresolve a QB sensor with intelligent software magic - is a pair of Honor View 20's full resolution samples, one taken in the regular full res mode and the other one in the AI Ultra Clarity mode.
https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/18/honor-view-20/camera/gsmarena_009.jpg
https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/18/honor-view-20/camera/gsmarena_109.jpg
And here's the sample of the same scene (albeit vastly different weather condition) from S20 Ultra.
https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/20/samsung-galaxy-s20-ultra/review/daylight/gsmarena_801.jpg
Look at the patterns of the building, neither View 20's or S20 Ultra's full resolution image is resolving them without distortions and false colours, while the one taken in AIUC mode shows vastly superiour detail rendition to both of them.
Just because you have more pixels that doesn't necessarily mean the sensor is capable of retaining more details. If you have 9 pixels of the same colour being grouped together, that means each pixel is further apart from other pixels that have different colour filters than on a sensor that has only 4 pixels of the same colour, which in turn lowers the sensor's chroma and spatial resolution. On top of that, "fancy AI" includes likes of super resolution image stacking which can essentially double the effective resolution of an image by cancelling out the Bayer pattern. View 20's AIUC is literally just that, hence great clarity in details with less moires.
- Shui8
- KZK
P C M, 19 Jan 2021"Knowledge, intellect, preference are differ from one another."
I don't unders... moreYou call that sh1t talking? Not in my book. Those are the things differentiate between one to another in terms of each photography skill/style. There are people taking garbage photos using a Leica, there also people taking excellent photos just by using a smartphone. See what I mean? If u talking about facts & proof, do u have any comparison between 50mp AI vs 108mp? Thats it. No.
Enough of this already. Dont want to reply another silly argument.
- P C M
- HxI
Shui8, 19 Jan 2021The guy talk about 50mp AI mode, not the normal 50mp. Those comparison video u gave only show ... more"Knowledge, intellect, preference are differ from one another."
I don't understand where does these come from.
Give some fact and proof. And I completely hate shit talking. Don't give me those. Refer a review where 50MP beat the 108MP at daylight.
Our debate was about detail capturing at full resolution, not low light photography.
That guy was saying quad bayer sensors aren't capable at capturing more detail at full res than binned mode.
When I gave him an example of ISOCELL sensor, then he said 50MP Huawei does better.
I mean that guy was just trying to argue that's all. First he decline that full resolution give any benefit then he accepts that quietly and started a new debate. And here you're supporting his debate without knowing the entire thing.
S21 ultra better or worse, what you own those aren't the points too. S21 could be worse. But you gotta give credit about what one device can do. For example, the 50MP RYYB sensor capture excellent Dynamic range and I believe S21 won't beat it.
108 MP will capture more detail than 50MP at broad daylight any day no matter what fancy AI mode Huawei uses.
- Shui8
- KZK
P C M, 19 Jan 2021About P40 pro+
"In our experience, it's not worth shooting in 50MP and then go thro... moreThe guy talk about 50mp AI mode, not the normal 50mp. Those comparison video u gave only show 1 time of that AI mode (Danny mention iphone can catchup, but all I saw are lot of fringing, oversharpen details compares to the other two). Dont talk to me about knowing details or not. Knowledge, intellect, preference are differ from one another.
I do agree with the guy that AI mode can catchup with 108mp by Samsung, especially when it comes to low light (because of the long exposure used).
I own P40 currently. But by no means I'm a blind fan. S21 Ultra got great camera quality, possibly the best at the moment.
- P C M
- HxI
Shui8, 19 Jan 2021The 50mp AI comes with newer firmware update (when Pro+ launch), which not in the Pro version ... moreAbout P40 pro+
"In our experience, it's not worth shooting in 50MP and then go through the hassle of manual editing, but the option is there, so we appreciate it "
-GSMARENA
And about comparing with 108MP.
Here's with the latest Mate40pro comparison. Even with the ISP advantages of new Kirin vs Old SD SoC. 108MP has better detail.
See here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-xRpH0j5c
SN: I don't understand why're you supporting someone without knowing details about the subject.
Are you just another Blind Chinese brand Fan ?
- Shui8
- KZK
P C M, 19 Jan 2021I'm guessing GSMARENA forgot to mention AI in P40 pro review. Otherwise what is full reso... more- deleted -
- Shui8
- KZK
P C M, 19 Jan 2021I'm guessing GSMARENA forgot to mention AI in P40 pro review. Otherwise what is full reso... moreThe 50mp AI comes with newer firmware update (when Pro+ launch), which not in the Pro version earlier.
If the guy said about 50mp AI vs 108mp, it might be true, go check it out. Plus with 50mp, u got bigger pixel size (1.22 micron) than 108mp (0.8 micron). For me, I dont care about it, what matter is the pixel-binned mode.
- Shui8
- KZK
Nick Tagataka, 17 Jan 2021I see, no problem :)Danny Winget already publish it - https://youtu.be/v1xN4syYmlA
The 3x & 10x optical is too good. I bet GSMarena preparing it as well so that we can see the full samples later on.
- P C M
- HxI
Shui8, 17 Jan 2021The 50mp AI mode only mentioned in P40 Pro+ review. It does better than normal 50mp (but stric... moreI'm guessing GSMARENA forgot to mention AI in P40 pro review. Otherwise what is full resolution 50MP mode ?
Besides, that wasn't the initial debate.
He was saying that 50MP has better detail and sharpness than 108MP samsung shot. WHich is a lie.
- Lyndino
- j%t
notafanboy, 15 Jan 2021108MP is a stoopid gimmick.I agree. I want my phone to run me a bath, counsel me with family issues and keep the house clean. I mean, If I'm paying close to $1500 dollars I can get quite a bit of service from an escort that I don't care if she comes with a charger.
- Shui8
- KZK
P C M, 17 Jan 2021So, you're blind too or just throwing words to argue.
Why don't you read the full c... moreThe 50mp AI mode only mentioned in P40 Pro+ review. It does better than normal 50mp (but strictly on no fast moving objects).
Nevertheless, both 108mp & 50mp in small sensor are not practical. The main point of Quad/Nona bayer sensor are to be used in pixel-binned mode.
- P C M
- 6p}
AnonD-923722, 17 Jan 2021They don't use the 50 MP AI modeSo, you're blind too or just throwing words to argue.
Why don't you read the full camera review of P40pro from GSM ARENA !
- AnonD-923722
- Khs
P C M, 17 Jan 2021GSMARENA's quote on P40 pro. "Unfortunately, the high-res mode can't benefit f... moreThey don't use the 50 MP AI mode
- P C M
- 6p}
AnonD-923722, 17 Jan 2021Oh really? What's the use of high res when it is just displaying more noise and unnatural... moreGSMARENA's quote on P40 pro.
"Unfortunately, the high-res mode can't benefit from all software tricks the default mode uses (like multi-stacking) and the 50MP are soft with uninspiring detail level. If these 50MP shots are downscaled to 12.5MP - they won't exhibit more detail compared to the default photos, but you will get wider FoV."
-GSMARENA
Also watch this and then come again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-xRpH0j5c&t=10s
- P C M
- 6p}
AnonD-923722, 17 Jan 2021Oh really? What's the use of high res when it is just displaying more noise and unnatural... moreYou're clearly getting out of the topic.
I replied with ISOCELL example because most of all ISOCELL sensor capture more detail at full resolution than at binned mode.
So, full resolution mode isn't a wasted as you and others tried to say. So, that's your previous accusation goes.
Now you're giving 50MP SONY RYYB has better details than 108MP from note 20 ultra.
Are you sure you're not comparing it at binned mode ?
When a phone makes zoom practically many things go behind it. It just not the sensor capability. One phone might use multiple sensor, other just one.
So, shut you mouth and see full resolution image comparison. There are plenty of those comparison on this site and other.
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