The first 5nm MediaTek chipset could arrive in 2022, will be called Dimensity 2000 Comments
- Samuel Jackson
- fwP
very bad chips, they tend to heat, and they cheat in benchmarks.
I would never buy a medeachit phone.
- IpsDisplay
- ri0
Shanti Dope, 19 Jan 2021Exactly the main problem here that MediaTek is going to face soon. This minimal performance ga... moreCurrent market share being little??
Mediatek has the highest market share of SOCs currently where did you get your info from they beat Qualcomm this year
- P C M
- HxI
Shanti Dope, 19 Jan 2021Exactly the main problem here that MediaTek is going to face soon. This minimal performance ga... moreListen, Business is totally different. It's not how we regular people think, not even close.
MediaTek is doing great on what they do. But everything has a timing. For now, no phone brand will buy MediaTek SoC if it costs close to Qualcomm SoC. So, why would MediaTek waste resources on high end SoC !
- P C M
- HxI
Anonymous, 19 Jan 2021"That's not applicable for cortex X1 core.
Only those who were part of the program ... moreFirst thing,
Samsung was part of the custom program not because they paid the price, because they started the program along with Arm.
Secondly, Qualcomm choose Samsung ove TSMC, definitely not for manufacturing capacity of TSMC. As a lot of Kirin SoC order was cancelled TSMC's 5nm node shouldn't be busy.
Sometimes the inside story is very suspicious in tech industry.
There is a reason Samsung used SD SoC in USA. Like that there could be story behind X1 core too.
- OhNom
- Kkm
Anonymous, 19 Jan 2021Dimensity 1000, 1200 and upcoming 2000 are made to be alternative to Snapdragon 8xx, not 7xx .... moreno, for that they have the 7xx and 8xx lines which have the 720, 800U and the MTK 820 is the most powerful processor in the mid-range with the same gpu power as the 845 and the same cpu power as the 855, so It seems that if they "stole" customers from Qualcomm.
Or because you think that 775 is going to have such a significant increase in power, qualcomm is afraid that MTK will beat it in the mid-range as in last year, and this competition is good, it favors us consumers, so no I see reason to screw MTK when his presence just favors us
- Anonymous
- mur
P C M, 19 Jan 2021That's not applicable for cortex X1 core.
Only those who were part of the program can us... more"That's not applicable for cortex X1 core.
Only those who were part of the program can use the X1 core.
Other anonymous guy is right. How do you think Samsung and Qualcomm became a part of the program? Of course paying the price. ARM wouldn't refuse Mediatek it they would pay the price. That's simple.
Answer to the question why it didn't pay is cost. Cost of licensing fees and extra manufacturing cost.
Qualcomm probably went to Samsung for two reason. Cost and manufacturing capacity. TSMC probably still is better, but Samsung is cheaper, also TSMC didn't have enough 5nm EUV wafers for both Apple and Qualcomm at the same time.
- Dugidugi
- MXs
Shanti Dope, 19 Jan 2021Exactly the main problem here that MediaTek is going to face soon. This minimal performance ga... moreThey number 1 now and they have multibillion profits per year. Clearly they know what they are doing.
- Shanti Dope
- C9a
JayrBars, 19 Jan 2021No need to compete with others' flagships. Even if mediatek's flagship isnt comoarab... moreThat's if everything will actually stay constant as it is.
Qualcomm and Samsung are having bright paths ahead on their CPU and GPU games, respectively, while MediaTek is just here casually making ordinary flagship level SoCs with low prices, but also lacking in availability of drivers for SoCs for software developers to work with them.
Without any bright plans ahead, they won't be able to last for long, and they'll eventually end up being left in the dust again when Qualcomm and Samsung's respective plans come to life by as early as next year.
- Shanti Dope
- C9a
P C M, 19 Jan 2021Nothing actually.Exactly the main problem here that MediaTek is going to face soon. This minimal performance gap won't last for long, and the headline SoC makers will eventually step up their game by a big shot, leaving MediaTek in the dust if they don't have any table-turning plan to keep up with the competition, nevermind beating them in overall performance.
The probable saving grace for them is if they collaborate with NVIDIA for a Radeon mobile-like graphics exclusive for Dimensity SoCs, but that's very unlikely, given how little their current market share right now is, and a successful GPU OEM like them probably wouldn't waste their resources towards a small company with little profit margins.
As much as I want them to succeed, I don't think they can turn things around with no bright strategies ahead. Heck, they can't even get their SoC drivers available for OEMs, which is literally a basic thing to do for other chipmakers.
At best, they can only match Qualcomm and Exynos' performance, but other aspects leave a lot to be desired.
I really do hope they would surprise us in the end, because it would be disappointing if their long time of being silent about their plans will just end in nothingness.
- JayrBars
- yTh
No need to compete with others' flagships. Even if mediatek's flagship isnt comoarable with others thats just fine.
- Anonymous
- 6rk
P C M, 19 Jan 2021That's not applicable for cortex X1 core.
Only those who were part of the program can us... moreYou can find Samsung on Cortex X1's official webpage...but not Qualcomm...you can't find any full list about partners.
You can't be sure :
- Mediatek isn't one yet
- or won't be in the future
What we can see is +13°C after a single AnTuTu test on Snapdragon 888 with X1 (MI 11), Mediatek can't afford this unless media's fury!
Qualcomm choses Samsung's for a single reason :
- 100% of TSMC's 5nm were used by Apple in 2020Q4
- 80% is used in 2021Q1
No production means no clients.
- JayrBars
- yTh
If true then its good to habe competition especially in the upper midrange or flagship killer levels.
- P C M
- HxI
Mihail White, 19 Jan 20212022 ? So, MTK in 2 years before completion. Nice. This is why I hate MTK. Expensiv, low perfo... moreMediaTek is definitely not expensive.
- P C M
- HxI
Anonymous, 19 Jan 2021That's not how ARM works...
You pay the fee, you get the core.
In my opinion, if Medi... moreThat's not applicable for cortex X1 core.
Only those who were part of the program can use the X1 core.
Also don't think yourself as a philosopher. Your logics won't change the fact that Only Samsung and Qualcomm are this custom core partners. None else.
If I were a Philosopher as you then I must say, only Samsung had the X1 core.
Samsung traded X1 with Qualcomm in exchange for SD 888 being fabricated at Samsung.
Otherwise I don't understand the reason for Qualcomm to choose Samsung 5nm.
TSMC's 5nm is better.
- Anonymous
- 08B
P C M, 19 Jan 2021MediaTek doesn't have access to the cortex X1 program.
So, you theory of using cortex X ... moreThat's not how ARM works...
You pay the fee, you get the core.
In my opinion, if Mediatek didn't use X1, it's a choice.
Economical...
Technical because of some heating issues with 6nm ans Samsung's "5nm"? As MI 11 ans iQoo 7 have some trouble, it's possible
Remember with Snapdragon 810/808, Qualcomm chose to sell Cortex A57 with issues when Mediatek and Hisilicon refused.
I'm not sure today's X1 is a good choice...+30% CPU over A78 whitout sustain? +100% on AI when CPU can't compete with DSP or dedicated cores?
Have to wait for X2, like de had to wait for A72 instead using A57 in the past!
- Mihail White
- ajM
2022 ? So, MTK in 2 years before completion. Nice. This is why I hate MTK. Expensiv, low performance and overheating.
- Anonymous
- 8Kf
OhNom, 19 Jan 2021If it weren't for its superior SD antutu it would not be anything above MTK for the price... moreDimensity 1000, 1200 and upcoming 2000 are made to be alternative to Snapdragon 8xx, not 7xx .... How Mediatek expects to "steal" costumers from Qualcomm if their chips do not offer half?
Sony 1ii and 5ii have 4K@120 video like Asus, but HDR .
Any phone with 865/865+/888 can have it if OEM wants.
- OhNom
- Kk4
Anonymous, 18 Jan 2021Pointless to have higher antutu. Means nothing.
- no support for QHD nor 4K
- no ddr5 ra... moreIf it weren't for its superior SD antutu it would not be anything above MTK for the price difference that its chips have
-QHD on LCD does not make sense, much less 4k, on OLED if it has it, but no mid-range is going to put a 2k OLED screen
-Perfect if I had it, but there is no great reason to have it either, most use ddr4x, I do not justify its lack
-The same as above, only high-end devices use it, but I do not justify its lack
-4k if necessary, but at 120fps? the only phone I've seen that supports it is the Rog 3, 8k? Haha please
-If it is more debit, but with a much better graphics card
I do not justify the lack of any, nor do I support it, but because of the price difference I am willing to lose them
- Mampara
- rwJ
JDK, 19 Jan 2021The dimensity 1000 and 2000 are midrange proccesors, what? They are the top of the line of ... moreQualcomm fanboy stick to what you know. We don't need YOU bad-mouthing the competition. We need competition otherwise QC would charge insane prices for their chipsets which would make fones crazy expensive
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