Duck of death, 07 Mar 2021Are you now trying to deflect about displays not able to show more than 32-bit colour, at best... more24-bit colour, you mean? Yeah this has always been a part of the point I've been making as well. After all, what's new about Oppo's colour management system is that it ensures that the phone can capture, store and display the HEIF images at 10-bit colour depth. Hell, I literally mentioned this in my first and second replies to your comments.
I'm not deflecting anything, you just didn't remember what I said at the beginning properly.
Nick Tegrataker, 07 Mar 2021There are two problems with your argument: 1. The embedded preview of a RAW image is JPEG, ... moreAre you now trying to deflect about displays not able to show more than 32-bit colour, at best? This is completely irrelevant.
Duck of death, 07 Mar 2021It's true that heif containers can contain any sort of image bit depth.
That said, this ... moreThere are two problems with your argument:
1. The embedded preview of a RAW image is JPEG, hence 8-bit, therefore looking at it in a gallery app will not reveal the full colour depth. Not to mention that the preview usually looks crap because in many cases it's not colour corrected, tonemapped nor full resolution.
2. When editing the RAW images, you can be never sure that the photo editor is showing the live preview in 10-bit. The device needs to support displaying 10-bit still images in full colour depth at software level in order to achieve this, and so far no company confirmed that this is actually the case (Oppo obviously did for HEIF, but at the same time never promised anything outside of it).
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Mar 2021It's highly likely that's a regular 24-bit image with remaining 8 bits lying there d... moreIt's true that heif containers can contain any sort of image bit depth.
That said, this whole deflection lie mission you're on still doesn't change the fact that the marketing above is a lie. The S21 has a 12-bit sensor, it can store photos in 12-bit RAW format and those photos can be edited on the phone or used on any other device you own. All of it, 2 (important) bits more than the 10-bit achievement they're touting.
Duck of death, 06 Mar 2021I'm not mixing up anything, I'm explaining to you that one is used for your images a... moreIt's highly likely that's a regular 24-bit image with remaining 8 bits lying there doing basically nothing. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth
"24 bits almost always use 8 bits each of R, G, and B (8 bpc)..... Almost all cases of 32 bits per pixel assigns 24 bits to the color, and the remaining 8 are the alpha channel or unused."
So yeah, that's exactly what I have been referring to as 8-bit.. So please don't expect your image to have 10-bit colours.
"considering you're always a toxic liar on this page"
Want a mirror?
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Mar 2021"That the S21 Ultra has a 12-bit sensor and it stores 10-bit images in EVERY mode, when u... moreI'm not mixing up anything, I'm explaining to you that one is used for your images and one is used for your sensors. It wasn't a nice way of teaching you, but considering you're always a toxic liar on this page, you just get what you deserve.
This is the exif data for a heic image taken with an S21 Ultra. No hacks, no "pro" mode used, just 32-bits of "suck it up, loser".
Duck of death, 06 Mar 2021How long will you keep trying to discuss around your lie until you admit that what I initially... more"That the S21 Ultra has a 12-bit sensor and it stores 10-bit images in EVERY mode, when using HEIC"
Yeah, that's the exact statement I've been asking proofs for from you. When has Samsung EVER claimed that is the case? I would be happy to admit you're right and back down as long as you back up your claims with a concrete evidence, though you haven't been able to so far.
"A 24-bit image is what you can get, at best, from an 8-bit sensor. A 32-bit image is what you can get from a 10-bit sensor"
Again, you're mixing up two different nomenclature in the same sentence. You're also doing the calculation wrong for the second statement.
"the Samsung hater"
Said the guy who consistently pisses on every non-Samsung company, it's such an honour to be able to hear that from you.
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Mar 2021So what you're implying is - "it supports 32-bit image because theoretically it supp... moreHow long will you keep trying to discuss around your lie until you admit that what I initially wrote is true? That the S21 Ultra has a 12-bit sensor and it stores 10-bit images in EVERY mode, when using HEIC, and 12-bit files when using RAW mode? A 32-bit image is not a 24-bit image. A 24-bit image is what you can get, at best, from an 8-bit sensor. A 32-bit image is what you can get from a 10-bit sensor.
You can keep playing dumb as long as you like, but you just keep coming across as the usual you; the Samsung hater, envious of a superior product that does things better than the brand you want to pretend is better.
Duck of death, 05 Mar 2021I know, reality hurts. You can't stop your lies because you're a sad salesman who... moreSo what you're implying is - "it supports 32-bit image because theoretically it supports up to 48-bit colour depth!".. here's another already mentioned fact, what you're referring to as 48-bit is essentially 48-bit RGB per pixel, which is identical to 16-bit per colour per pixel. This indicates using the former nomenclature a 12-bit sensor could be also described as a 36-bit sensor, and 10-bit display could be 30-bit (though the majority of people prefer to call them 12/10-bit) - surprise surprise!
I'm guessing that you pulled out 32-bit figure out of nowhere just for the sake of having this discussion but then quickly realised that nobody mentions it, so switched to "48-bit container supports 32-bit colours" argument.. while being unaware of the fact that 48-bit IS indeed 16-bit figure that I had been claiming.
And even if we ignore everything I wrote above, the question still remains whether or not S21U's camera actually stores 10/12-bit colours in the HEIF images that it produces, as well as whether Samsung's own gallery app has an ability to show colours of 10-bit still images at full-depth. After all, such promises have been never made by the company.
"You can theoretically get a 48-bit image out of a container supporting 16 bits per pixel"
Nope. If the container supports 16 bits per pixel then what you're end up getting is the maximum of 16-bit image. You can't just switch from a triple channel nomenclature to a single channel nomenclature in the same context like that.
Anyway I hope this clears up your confusion, have a nice day :)
Nick Tegrataker, 05 Mar 2021I seriously have no clue where you even got that idea from.. HEIF does NOT support 32-bit colo... moreI know, reality hurts. You can't stop your lies because you're a sad salesman who's brainwashed into not accepting reality when it is what it is.
Heif supports bit depth up to 16 bits, way more than even Samsung phones can deliver. Infinitely more than all the other brands. So, getting a 32-bit image out of that is simple maths, if you understand the BASICS.
I'll make it easier for you. You can theoretically get a 48-bit image out of a container supporting 16 bits per pixel.
Whatever technology they put in it, still it's a iPhone copy. Lol.....
Duck of death, 05 Mar 2021Tech is complicated if you don't understand the basics.
The images are 32-bit, the senso... moreI seriously have no clue where you even got that idea from.. HEIF does NOT support 32-bit colours, though you can keep telling that to yourself until you're satisfied.
And as I already told you multiple times - just because the sensor can output 12-bit raw images and the HEIF container supports up to 16-bit colour depth, that doesn't guarantee that the final compressed images are also recording colours in 12-bit. Upon the compression process the colour depth has been most likely reduced to 8-bit just like how it had been done before they first started using this very format (if you want to tell me otherwise, then show me one instance where Samsung specifically said they would be using HEIF to increase the bit).
"Samsung is in the 12-bit era while this company is beating their chest for reaching 10 bits"
All right then, I'll wish you the best of luck seeing 10-bit let alone 12-bit colours in all the beautiful HEIF pictures you have taken with your S21U. Hopefully those images are encoded in at least 10-bit colours and the gallery app are capable of showing their previews without reducing it to 8-bit as well, but you can never be sure with either of them because they never promised anything about those two points - at the end of the day, all you know is that the sensor's raw output is 12-bit, that's all.
I'm not going to waste my time on this matter anymore, thank you.
Nick Tegrataker, 04 Mar 2021https://martiancraft.com/blog/2017/10/HEIF-image-file-format/
"HEIF also supports transp... moreTech is complicated if you don't understand the basics.
The images are 32-bit, the sensors aren't. It's weird when same things mean completely different things.
Keep it up! You're close to learning something very basic.
Anyhoo. The fact stands. Samsung is in the 12-bit era while this company is beating their chest for reaching 10 bits.
Anonymous, 03 Mar 2021"that's able to capture, store and reproduce 10-bit color content". Phones ... moreat that time only LG and sony support 10bit Video , sony uses HLG format while LG uses the standard HDR10 PQ format . Samsung catchs up with S10 as Beta .
Duck of death, 04 Mar 2021Why do you always start making up conclusions whenever you're wrong? It's stored in ... morehttps://martiancraft.com/blog/2017/10/HEIF-image-file-format/
"HEIF also supports transparency, and image color *up to* 16 bits, versus JPEG’s 8-bit color depth"
"Additionally, HEIF supports *up to* 16-bit color, whereas all JPEGs are 8-bit."
I don't know where you pulled that 32-bit figure from but all the websites I could find state that it's maximum of 16 per channel. Also, notice how those websites use the expression "support up to" - while you CAN indeed store the colour information in full 16-bit using HEIF format, as I already said many camera manufacturers have chosen 10-bit colour encoding to make the file size manageable, and Apple kept it at 8-bit on their iPhones' cameras.
Samsung never said anything about increase in colour depth when they started to make a transition to HEIF. End of story.
"Since Samsung jumped past 10 bit, they claim a "first" for something worse"
Lmao, no. Oppo announced this colour management system back in November last year and made it pretty obvious that Find X3 series would feature it. Not everything has to be about Samsung, you know..
Duck of death, 04 Mar 2021Why do you always start making up conclusions whenever you're wrong? It's stored in ... moreiPhone has been doing 12 bit raw since X! 12 bit sensor is not a new feature for Apple users 😊
Nick Tegrataker, 04 Mar 2021What you're referring to as 24-bit is basically another way of saying 8-bit colour depth ... moreWhy do you always start making up conclusions whenever you're wrong? It's stored in 32-bit. We know the camera has 12 bits per pixel.
It's a 32-bit image.
For the last time. This ad is the usual fake clickbait from a Chinese manufacturer. Since Samsung jumped past 10 bit, they claim a "first" for something worse.
Oppo a big lies dont bye thier unit update to colorsos beta 11 is all promise but not arriving all roadmap schedule tell now no comes at all
Nick Tegrataker, 04 Mar 2021Samsung has a main camera sensor that supports higher 12-bit colour depth, but the captured im... moreOppo Find X2 Pro captured the most color accurate images on a 2020 flagship.