Apple reportedly refuses to preinstall controversial Indian state-run cyber security app Comments
- Pink Poop 69
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Anonymous, 04 Dec 2025They have been conditioned into using safari browser. There were better alternatives to it but... moreThat's true but Safari is not a bad browser to begin with. It is as good as a browser can be.
- potato4k
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JimmyTheGreatest, 05 Dec 2025Mashed potatoes, I wish I had more time to get into such discussions. Anyway, the info you... moreSo you actually have nothing. Got it.
- JimmyTheGreatest
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potato4k, 05 Dec 2025Official version of what? What's behind the scenes? If you are so confident, be specific,... moreMashed potatoes, I wish I had more time to get into such discussions. Anyway, the info you're presenting is around 8 years old. It started in an older legal case with Apple. I can't use certain words because my posts get regularly blocked or deleted, which is why I stopped being active here.
- JimmyTheGreatest
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Anonymous, 05 Dec 2025You probably confuse bad movies with reality. Police officers don't have special powers. ... moreYou're confusing average police officers with forensic detectives and state actors.
- Anonymous
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JimmyTheGreatest, 05 Dec 2025I think you're confusing average software developers with state actors. If you give a ... moreYou probably confuse bad movies with reality. Police officers don't have special powers. They are normal people like you. If you mean data from microSD cards, then obviously PINs aren't required, and anyone can access that data.
- Ouifuf
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Anonymous, 04 Dec 2025No, it's not marketing. Apple and Google are unable to unlock a phone protected with a PI... moreYes that's what I meant. The password was the only thing people couldn't get. The majority of their data still gets handed over. It got misconstrued as apple never giving out data when that isn't true
- potato4k
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Anonymous, 04 Dec 2025Apple refused the request because it was incapable of doing that. If the lock screen can be by... moreJust to clear things up.
iOS has a feature that limits attempt to guess the PIN of an iPhone, forcing you to wait and then reset the iPhone after multiple incorrect attempts. The FBI asked Apple to create a special version of iOS that won't have the limitation so they can bruteforce the PIN. Apple's concern is that if they did that, that version of iOS could leak out and basically be used on any iPhone (which was what the FBI wanted as well). That's what Apple refused to do.
The FBI finally hired a 3rd party to find a flaw that bypassed that limit, and Apple patched that flaw a few months later.
- potato4k
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JimmyTheGreatest, 04 Dec 2025That's the official version and how it was portrayed and presented through mass media cha... moreOfficial version of what? What's behind the scenes? If you are so confident, be specific, dont just put out vague claims.
- JimmyTheGreatest
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Anonymous, 04 Dec 2025Apple simply can't do that. Some people may think that software developers have special p... moreI think you're confusing average software developers with state actors.
If you give a locked unit to the police in some countries, they can clone the memory in minutes and return back the unit intact. PIN isn't required.
- Anonymous
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JimmyTheGreatest, 04 Dec 2025That's the official version and how it was portrayed and presented through mass media cha... moreApple simply can't do that. Some people may think that software developers have special powers. They don't. They are normal people like you. If there is a tool that can unlock a phone protected by a PIN, anyone will be able to unlock it, which will defeat the purpose of PINs.
Companies can only access data they have such as unencrypted user data on their servers. They can't unlock secure personal devices.
- JimmyTheGreatest
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potato4k, 04 Dec 2025Let's start with the San Bernardino case, yes, the FBI did have the shooter's iCloud... moreThat's the official version and how it was portrayed and presented through mass media channels. You don't know what they're actually doing behind the scenes...
- Anonymous
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potato4k, 04 Dec 2025Let's start with the San Bernardino case, yes, the FBI did have the shooter's iCloud... moreApple refused the request because it was incapable of doing that. If the lock screen can be bypassed, anyone can do that. A program doesn't know if its code is executed by Apple or FBI. As your said, if you don't have a key to decrypt an encrypted file, you can't decrypt it. It doesn't matter if you're Apple. It's the same logic. If a phone is locked by a PIN, you can't unlock it if you don't know the PIN. It doesn't matter if you're Apple.
- potato4k
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Ouifuf, 04 Dec 2025That's worse if anything, they get all of their logged history that even the user might n... moreLet's start with the San Bernardino case, yes, the FBI did have the shooter's iCloud backup data. But it was outdated so they wanted access to the actual iPhone. And Apple refused to relax their security features on iOS.
And what Apple does after this case? They released the Advanced Data Protection feature where if enabled, Apple won't even be able to decrypt your encrypted iCloud backup as they don't have the key.
People who want total privacy wouldn't even be using iCloud. You can still do an encrypted local backup of your iPhone with your PC or Mac.
So tell me how is Apple worse? Who would be better? Google? Huawei? LOL.
- Jamais Vu
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I saw a screenshot of the permissions required by the Android version of this app and it is basically the equivalent of sticking a HIV contaminated needle in your phone. I don’t even think some of those permissions are even possible on iOS, unless the Indian government force Apple to make it a system-level app.
- JimmyTheGreatest
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Anonymous, 04 Dec 2025No, it's not marketing. Apple and Google are unable to unlock a phone protected with a PI... moreThey have a master key.
- Anonymous
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Ouifuf, 03 Dec 2025Big marketing ploy, they complied with 4 out of 5 account data requests last year from the use... moreNo, it's not marketing. Apple and Google are unable to unlock a phone protected with a PIN/password. As I said, if it can be done, anyone can do it. A program doesn't know who the user is. If it can be done, your friends will be able to unlock your phone. It's like asking Microsoft to sign into a Windows PC protected with a password without knowing the password.
- Ouifuf
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potato4k, 04 Dec 2025Wow, so smart. We are talking about device access, not server side access. Server side acc... moreThat's worse if anything, they get all of their logged history that even the user might not know is recorded. Plus the device side example you have about the shooters phone was purely for the pin to unlock the phones. They could still access all their cloud data and message history on message.
- Anonymous
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Pink Poop 69, 04 Dec 2025The Music app, the Games app, and other "bloatware" are great apps. Even Safari is a... moreThey have been conditioned into using safari browser. There were better alternatives to it but apple did not allow 3rd party browser engine until recently.
- Pink Poop 69
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Anonymous, 03 Dec 2025Oh please, name one Apple "bloatware" that is any good. They're all rubbish fro... moreThe Music app, the Games app, and other "bloatware" are great apps. Even Safari is a great browser, 90% of iPhone users use Safari.
- potato4k
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Ouifuf, 03 Dec 2025Big marketing ploy, they complied with 4 out of 5 account data requests last year from the use... moreWow, so smart.
We are talking about device access, not server side access.
Server side access is a whole different ball game. Any companies have to comply with court order. That’s why China is smarter than India. Instead of forcing Apple to preinstall government software, they simply require Apple to host the data of Chinese Apple users in China.
If you are an Apple user and have total concern about privacy, simply don’t use iCloud or at the least enable the Advanced data protection option so even when Apple is subpoenaed, they don’t have the key to the encrypted data backup.
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