Atom / i3 / i5 / i7. All cost too high! Maybe its the fault of the Windows 8 licence or high making cost.. but nevertheless.. no one wants to pay 800$ when a 400$ device can do the job.
When u see a brand new x86 system costing twice and even three times higher, while offering less.. and having no accessories no support no design. U rather say no, or by a second hand budget x86 system because other then gaming you have no need for the new gen processors.
In the end.. only the hardcore gamers will remain.. and they will die a slow death once the gaming companies leave one by one.
I have been using Intel atom for 2 years now, 1st at 7 starter, and now with 8.1, its smooth! People really don't know what they want! They just want more and more! That is sad!
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013Awww,its not a problem shrinking the Haswell...why everyone thinking that?!Its the bad yield o... moreReally?
So how do you explain the year over year decline in PC sales as notebook, netbook and tablet sales have increased?
Large companies are moving to large rack-mount server's with thin client applications that only need a device with a web browser and java capabilities whereas 5 years ago an installed client on a desktop PC was required.
With the increase of computing power and memory being made available on smaller devices, why do you believe PC sales will revive?
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013How wrong are you :)
They already outperform ARM with their "baytrail" not to menti... moreLOL - Ummm, no they don't. Best compare the v8 ARM chip to the latest Intel chips. Already ran circles around another one of your Atom fanboy friends in this discussion.
Also, your comment about "phone-ish" OS' shows you haven't done your research, as by your comment you would have people believe RISC based ARM chips were developed for devices with limited functions like phones. Why imply as much when there's no truth to it?
ARM chips gave birth to the RISC OS computer and have been used in Linux and BSD Unix computer systems years before Android came out, It is now also supported in Windows RT computers.
The reality is that engineers who design smartphones for a living at the majority of phone manufacturers (Apple, HTC, Samsung, Nokia to name a few) know that although Intel performance is close to that of ARM, in terms of real life power consumption Intel doesn't make the cut.
This is why Intel's Atom chips have made little headway outside a handful of companies (Asus, Acer for example).
If you have a different perspective as to why the Atom chips haven't been a hit in smartphones it would be entertaining to hear it.
I recall about 2 months ago some joker on here commenting about how Intel's Atom chips ruled and kicked ARM's design in terms of performance and at a much lower clock rate, but couldn't back it up with numbers.
Wonder what Mr. Atom fanboy would say now.
Intel wants business in the mobile industry.
there you go...plain simple.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2013By shrinking the node, everyone is referring to development, testing and implementation. That... moreI wasn't mean literary 2018 :) it was joke
Now seriously.If Intel wasn't running at full capacity,then they will not be opening new fab.
But they do,and besides that all existent foundries are transitioned to 22nm.I am not working in Intel(wish to),but common sense(?!?) they add 30 000 new wafers per month,and upgrade their other fabs....means only one thing.
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013Awww,its not a problem shrinking the Haswell...why everyone thinking that?!Its the bad yield o... moreBy shrinking the node, everyone is referring to development, testing and implementation. That includes working out the defects, which is the problem they are having. Intel plans on having 10nm chips by 2015, why not have Apple chips on that. In contrast to what you said earlier, Qualcomm and Nvidia will be the last ones to use Intel. What makes you think Intel is running at near full capacity and can't produce for anyone else? What are assumptions are you using to base Intel's capacity on? I'm struggling to see where you got the 2018 date from.
The PC may not be dying but shareholders expect growth. Declining PC growth means Intel will have to look elsewhere for that growth. Their other product lines may not be able to pick up the slack for that.
kkazu, 30 Oct 2013U are lying.Here's a link, check 1990:-
andarm won. wintel lost. good. the other way around would have kept much more of the world out due to high price due to high profits.
Anonymous, 30 Oct 2013I'm guessing you didn't know that these 14nm chips intel are making are not for Intel, but for... moreAwww,its not a problem shrinking the Haswell...why everyone thinking that?!Its the bad yield on the new process,and Intel said they will solve that until February.
I don't say that Intel wont produce SoC for Apple,but they certainly not on 14nm.And will take some time for other fabs to go on 14nm.....making no room in years for Apple.
P.S. i don't knowed for Altera,but its nice.Intel too are doing great,dying of PC is just a myth ;)
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013How wrong are you :)
They already outperform ARM with their "baytrail" not to menti... moreHow wrong am I?! You just confirmed what I said: ARM uses less power so if you want longer lasting devices you should go with ARM. RT runs on ARM so Microsoft made a wise choice releasing a version of Windows for ARM, and RT is not going anywhere.
It's just going to get bigger.
Good to see this. Intel XMM modem in Atom even beats Qualcomm's talk time. Combining that modem with ARM processor will make great mobile SOC.
kkazu, 30 Oct 2013U are lying.He's right. You're wrong.
Uh oh. I see a fanboy bubble popping soon.
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013Intel is the last fab who will make chips for Apple!!! They have only one foundry on 14nm,and... moreI'm guessing you didn't know that these 14nm chips intel are making are not for Intel, but for Altera. With Intel's current troubles of shrinking their die for Haswell, some think they are looking for ways to use that extra 14nm capacity. Also, since Altera is moving away from TSMC this may create more capacity there for Apple or another company's chips. What makes you think it will take 5 years for Intel to test and retool their lines? Especially since demand for PCs are falling, what is stopping them from diverting some of their capacity? If Apple and Intel are motivated enough, I don't see why 2015 or 2016 are unreasonable.
Jean83, 30 Oct 2013Intel is the last fab who will make chips for Apple!!! They have only one foundry on 14nm,and... moreDesktop and laptop market is shrinking, hence Intel can use the production capacity to instead making ARM processor. Intel sold their Strong ARM unit in 2006, just before touchscreen smartphone era.
kkazu, 30 Oct 2013U are lying.Not iPhone user, but the story is true. Read in Wikipedia.
kkazu, 30 Oct 2013Actually if apple partners with intel it will be cartasrophic intel will change to i intel and... moreHow old are you?
Atom is not a manufacturer,its a brand name on Intel low power CPU ....ROFL
You are confusing apples with pears
- click to read, 30 Oct 2013Everyone knows that Apple and Acorn started ARM, as it says on ARM's website. No Apple = no ARM.U are lying.
Kaymd, 30 Oct 2013Windows phones also run on ARM chips. Apple buying Intel??? There's much more that operates i... moreActually if apple partners with intel it will be cartasrophic intel will change to i intel and thats down right stupid they should look for another microprocessor chip maker like atom or stay with sammy.u may call me dulusional but my conspiracy is true.so get along