Kal, 17 Apr 2009LOL. Even that site says its better implemented in Innov8. The new 5th edition is even better ... morePlease don't put words in Eldar's mouth, at no point did he mention that S60 implementation is better in Samsung phones than in Nokia phones. Don't confuse the features of a phone and the software in question. The innov8 is the most feature packed S60 phone but OS implementation is not better than Nokia's. I have extensively used an innov 8 and an N95 8 gb and i can tell you for a fact that only a delusional person would be unde the impression that S60 implementation in Samsung phones is better than in Nokia phones. If i get time i will give you the main weaknesses of S60 implementation in Samsung phones...
Flames, 17 Apr 2009Don't delude yourself that S60 has been implemented better in Samsung than Nokia. That's utter... moreLOL. Even that site says its better implemented in Innov8. The new 5th edition is even better implemented in Omnia Hd than Nokia's touch screen phones. Now that doesn't mean that Samsung can match Nokia in providing applications, 3rd party games and all. Ssmsung S60 users still have to go to nokia forums mostly for that. Samsung have just started with that. It's a result of S60 being licensed from Nokia. Now that it's going to be open sourced, we all will see the changes.
[deleted post]Those returns were associated with a speaker defect and the issue was adressed and all 5800's being made from now have adressed the speaker defect. You made a big issue out of a small issue as Nokia is currenlty shipping 1 million Nokia 5800's a month... How's that for a new comer???
Kal, 17 Apr 2009Excuse me. What do you mean by G810 and S60 being copy? Copy of what? Why on earth you are rel... moreDon't delude yourself that S60 has been implemented better in Samsung than Nokia. That's utter nonsense!!! and it can only come from a samsung fanboy who has clearly never used an N series and an Innov 8 side by side. Samsung owners even go to the extent of hacking their phones so as to use Nokia compatible products on their phones. The Innov 8 hasn't done as well as expected. If you want it's sales figues go to mobilereview.
Anonymous, 17 Apr 2009People only buy the 5800 because they still think of Nokia as a high quality mobile phone manu... moreAgree with you. It's the loyal Nokia users who were waiting to get their hands on a touch screen phone from Nokia only. It's the Brand name that helps them sold 5800 that much. Did they count the number of returns? They made a record there as well.
Anonymous, 17 Apr 2009People only buy the 5800 because they still think of Nokia as a high quality mobile phone manu... moreCan you kindly provide a link with information on the number of returns of the 5800. I don't want a response like ''i know so'' or i own a repair booth thus i know''. I just want solid proof of your assertion. That's not too much to ask is it?
People only buy the 5800 because they still think of Nokia as a high quality mobile phone manufacturer. They buy the 5800 – and they change their opinions after the first week of struggling with the phone.
This is proved buy the record number of returns.
Nokia has definitively lost the high-end smart phone market.
Kalser, 17 Apr 2009There is no denying both Samsung and LG have made a name for themselfs and gained alot of grou... moreExcuse me. What do you mean by G810 and S60 being copy? Copy of what? Why on earth you are relating S60 as being copied I wonder? Samsung have taken license from Nokia to use S60. They have not come up with an S60 look-a-like OS or illigally used it in their handsets. Do mind that. And they are quite successful in implementing S60 in their recent devices..at times better than even Nokia. Success of Innov8 says it all. The fact is Samsung is pretty much taken the high-end phone maker spot from Nokia with their Innov8, Omnia, Tocco, Pixon and now Omnia HD. There are many Nokia users who have upgraded to samsung. We know that Nokia's base is low end phones. But even there, they are feeling the hit, cause Samsung is offering more features in less price. Nokia bound to loose ground. It's not surprising. No wonder why Sasmsung is going to be number in Europe sooner than expected.
Well well well, news says it that SE has cut 2,000 jobs with a loss of 385 million euros ($469 million). I guess, our Nokia is doing "quite" better than them.
Expert, 17 Apr 2009Your comment means that you are unaware of the capabilities of the iPhone. There are almost 3... moreOk,so i need to buy or download apps to be able to send one pic with bluetooth?! That sucks! In usa iphone is ok! But in many other countries its bad! Bc u dont have app store and itunes,u think about that!? For example they sell it in my country around 600e! But what can u do with that? Almost nothing! Its just not good for everyone! Nokia is! And to other nokia hater: Yes i used other touch screen phones! But this one is the best,i am happy with my phone! And i am sure u have se w200 or samsung e1110!
Kal, 17 Apr 2009Am talking about Samsung mobile..not Samsung electronics. When Nokia, SE, Motorola all are sho... moreThere is no denying both Samsung and LG have made a name for themselfs and gained alot of ground,
while we are talking about the real world Samsung and LG have thrown their dignity aside and openly copied others, the G810? Dual Slider phones? S60?
Meanwhile releasing useless Flash Based Touch phones which are boring to the core to tech fanatics is what got the general phone users happy with LG and Samsung
Personally i'm impressed with Samsung's Omnia HD, the only samsung worth buying but the LG S-Class.. non smart complete copy of iphone just to sell eye candy
Yea Nokia has it flaws but so do the other makers, but whatever happens nokia will always have there low end phones to fall back on; everyone knows why nokia is the leader because its base it strong.
It all depends on the User
Kalser, 17 Apr 2009Samsung, LG and Sony are Electronics Manufacturers, the Economic melt down has hit the Tech wo... moreAm talking about Samsung mobile..not Samsung electronics. When Nokia, SE, Motorola all are showing poor results, Samsung is shinning. That's quite an achievement considering the economic situation. So lets not just blame economic meltdown for Nokia's poor performance.
haha as far as im concerned nokia can dissapear off the face of the earth as nokia just make pathetic phones now, way behind every1 else
Samsung, LG and Sony are Electronics Manufacturers, the Economic melt down has hit the Tech world pretty hard, sales of LCD's, Blu Ray/DVD Players etc.. are all down
it wouldn't be a surprise if these companies made a greater overall loss as compared to nokia
But the Success of the 5800 is a big deal.. from day one of its release it was unknown if it would be a hit and it really did make it big
Right now sticking to proper marketing and making the right phones is a good tactic, just throwing out Multimedia Monsters with 8, 12, 20 MP will be useless cause noone will buy them, it is after still a phone
Kal, 17 Apr 2009Watch out for Samsung's Q1 result. They are going to have 19% market share by the end of Q1. T... moreSince Nokia`s sales fall so sharply I would not be surprised if Samsung would already reached 20+ % market share.
Nokia is going down fast
Nokia is only living on its former fame, and is sleeping. They should now make really attractive phones, because Samsung and LG are working hard. Had only Nokia up to now but just bought two Samsung, quality is so much better...
Watch out for Samsung's Q1 result. They are going to have 19% market share by the end of Q1. They had 18% in Q4 2008 and 14.1% in Q1 2008. Cheers!!