MHanz, 17 Jul 2014LMAO!! you are a confirmed demented case if you link those sets of abominations and say that's... moreOh, wow. Thank you for sharing your professional non-designing background. Then you have very little clue to what I was all this time describing about the importance sketching and the ability to do it MOBILE. And you're confused with what sketching to think, and fine art work with a digitizer-PC setup (like you keep boasting your girlfriend is superior with).
That vomit you describe is part of a design process. Of course it's not a finished or fine arts drawing.
While you go on and on on how poor my work is, you should look at famous architect's sketches with their process sketching:
Do you call them vomit as well? Your architect friends should know what these sketches mean. I'm confident they know most of them...
The World does not revolve around your misunderstanding of how we use with our S Pen. All your saying is that NOBODY you know uses the S Pen and to declare it as useless is a hearsay. How about a survey done by PA telling some some statistical truth from 2000+ people saying that only 35%+ tell that they hardly use the S Pen, while 42%+ say they do sometimes use it to write notes & control their devices, and 22%+ like me use it often:
You don't use your S Pen, fine by me. All you've shown use that you have poor arguments by attacking my work as poor fine arts attempts, and not even acknowledging the fact that the S Pen is even useful for other things like writing notes. It's called fallacy... Look it up.
TheNeighbor, 15 Jul 2014I'm sure you're a very good visual artist yourself, with all your talk. Those caricatures were... moreLMAO!! you are a confirmed demented case if you link those sets of abominations and say that's some useful work. Now you are just losing your mind. Slow down and breathe, it helps. ;-)
I am an E.E engineer and I have done my fair share of engineering drawing back in the days so I have some perspective plus I have acquaintances back from college who are real architects and I have seen their work. They don't look like random vomit or something that came out of a drunk goon's rear end. lol I like the feigned sense of superiority that you are some how versed in engineering. Hey we are all from the same base so don't try to pull such moves it just won't work. I knew for a while now you are not who you claim to be.
You must be a wannabe comic strip artist at best but your strips aren't that good. My GF is way way above your league, not boasting just simple truth. That's how I know you are unable to do serious work on the puny gimmick S-Pen. So why don't you show me your real work done on a proper board instead and save face that you are really who you claim to be. So far all the links are nothing but comedy material that no sane person can take seriously. I am really having a good time laughing my butts off =)), gotta show this to my architect pals. Am sure they can use the coffee time laughter in between their busy schedules.
PS: The fact you have only such low quality material done on a gimmick to show here is rather telling. Just saying.
MHanz, 15 Jul 2014Uh huh and how long did it take you moving back and forth? This sort of stuff can be done much... moreI'm sure you're a very good visual artist yourself, with all your talk. Those caricatures were not architecture, although one of them was an initial sketch for a cruise liner terminal in which case, I had done the initial conceptualization with the Note II's S Pen and collaborated with a colleague abroad last year:
I guess you'd like to dodge the fact that doing pretty drawings isn't only the job of an architect and doing notes and diagrams with the S Pen on a Note 3 is possible. Your arguments state that no serious work can be done with the S Pen. These series of sketches were necessary to give the ideas some "voices" and let them "talk" to us.
Ask any architect, study sketches are what we do as part of our designing process, and something portable as the Galaxy Note with infinite "paper" gives us the freedom to not worry about running out. This is an important process to be sketching our visions along side the BIM or CAD processes. And at times, inspiration comes by not sitting in the office, and the mobility of the Galaxy Note even with its 5"+ screen provides that OPTION with the S Pen and help pave the direction of the project. What do you not understand about what we do?
Well, the last posted illustration was done mostly on the Note 3 and while out of the house and not have to setup on a table. Yes, again I'm agreeing that a Wacom-PC setup at home or office is ideal, but I don't stay either of those places long other than to sleep or during weekends.
You think anyone can do those fine lines without the S Pen? Seriously? Better to have that S Pen than without. What you call a gimmick is to me something I can say very useful. There's no BS theory of material attachment you can tag me with.
TheNeighbor, 14 Jul 2014Oh, yes... since your asking, this I made during my spare time for an eventual big (36" b... moreUh huh and how long did it take you moving back and forth? This sort of stuff can be done much quicker on a proper board. This is hardly outstanding. And why switch between them? Because the note 3 is puny? Exactly my point.
While you squint and grimace to get it done jumping between devices someone else will have finished it on a proper board and also a had good nap after that.
BTW you still haven't explained how sub par comic strip attempts have anything to do with architecture ;-)
So far you have shown you are having fun at best, nothing really useful for real work and when you try too hard you end up wasting more time than really necessary. Again proves my point that gimmicks are hard to be made useful for practical purposes.
You do remember you are supposed to defend your point and not support me right? So far you have done a good job of reinforcing whatever I and others have been saying from the start.
MHanz, 14 Jul 2014Ah yes still waiting on anything looking remotely useful that was done on your Samsung note, n... moreOh, yes... since your asking, this I made during my spare time for an eventual big (36" by 60") watercolor piece I want to do next:
Pretty much a combination of switching between the Note 3 & 8 - yes, it's a study piece just to test how it could look. Yeah, focus on how novice or ugly it is, because it's a study, incomplete. I often do studies, and this one was progressive over a period when I could spare time from my busy schedule of work, school, family and some side projects. Thank goodness I don't have to stay home to be able to do this (as of yet), and sketching it out finally gave me some push for me to finally see it out of my head.
For you the S Pen is a gimmick. For me, it gives me a bit of freedom to sketch without paper and anywhere to have some alone time during those creative urges.
TheNeighbor, 14 Jul 2014Nice try. My purchase of the Note is based on a certain number of features, and a Wacom digit... moreAh yes still waiting on anything looking remotely useful that was done on your Samsung note, nothing in the links you showed shows anything related to real architectural work. Amateur comic strips don't equate to architecture. I saw one landscape sketch (if someone even wants to call it that! =D )
You have, hilariously through the links you've provided, enforced and affirmed what I stated a while back along with the others in here, the S-Pen is a gimmick. It's amusing to see you are so dense that you haven't got it yet. I am beginning to doubt even your claim of being an architect, maybe you are, but not every professional is successful as there are always lemons.
You know, when you can show something that actually resembles real architecture work you might begin to support your argument that has long fallen apart. Give it a try.
Oh before I forget, speaking of dodging questions, you seem at pains to answer how less than poor comic sketches of star trek characters have anything to do with architecture LMAO!!! Oh sooo busted!
TheNeighbor, 14 Jul 2014Nice try. My purchase of the Note is based on a certain number of features, and a Wacom digit... moreBy the ongoing discussion about Samsung & S-Pen, I somehow feel this post is about s Samsung NOTE Z3 ;) :P
MHanz, 14 Jul 2014You are regurgitating the same old claim of you having some fun as somehow equating to useful ... moreNice try. My purchase of the Note is based on a certain number of features, and a Wacom digitizer is one of them. Not based on a certain brand.
If there's something better than a Note from another brand, I'd get that. Fun? I've generated some over 50 S Note books organized for projects and notes accumulated since the Note 1. That's utilitarian I can need.
Yes, you have again dodge mentioning anything for communicating, clarifying, reinforcing, affirming, and any functional aspect of sketching ideas with the S Pen to and with other people.
TheNeighbor, 14 Jul 2014Yes, I already agreed with you that there's no substitute with a real Wacom Cintique or wired ... moreYou are regurgitating the same old claim of you having some fun as somehow equating to useful work. We have already dismissed that claim and now you have admitted as much right at the start of your recent post.
I'll elucidate it as what is really being played out here. You have a sort of sycophantic attachment to your purchase of the note. That's all good to have satisfaction in your choice. But after you admitting it is anything but useful, you are merely defending it because it gives you some sort of remorse that your exalted device's certain features are not all that you made it up to be. You can console yourself with the regurgitation but your continued irate responses tell me you know exactly what me and other others are talking about and that is indeed just the cold hard fact. S-Pen is a gimmick and you are merely having fun nothing more.
Tell me, those less than poor attempts at comic strips with star trek characters is useful for work??! You think the rest of the world doesn't know what architecture entails? LOL I smelled BS from the start now it's confirmed. The only real drawing that sort of makes you even look like a wannabe architect is that vomit of a landscape sketch. Of course I know on a proper board you will do the proper thing but the point has been clearly proven for all to see that you can't do much with a puny worse than half baked gimmick like the S-Pen.
Come on you can do better than that if you are trying to kiss up to your favorite device. That's problem with attachment to inanimate objects, rationality goes out of the window and the buyer feels compelled to justify tooth and nail as to why some pointless feature is so vital. It's not like a living thing or something, so try to think this one without the rose tinted shades for a start.
PS: You seem to have linked that same thing again for the other guy to check out and your proving his point of looking rather sheepish. Just saying.
Anonymous, 13 Jul 2014common sony you just released a phone and now another why you do that to people who have just ... moreWhy does Samsung do that to people with outing an S5 Prime, or Htc with outing its M8 Prime...
Stop this stupid nagging...
MHanz, 14 Jul 2014I was just trying to be nice really :-) but if you want the brutal honest opinion some of your... moreYes, I already agreed with you that there's no substitute with a real Wacom Cintique or wired tablet with a PC as of yet. No, my confidence does not reside with you approving my work. And those are sketches, by the way. Mere 15 to 30 minutes of work. We can establish you are rude, and just hone how ugly and meaningless they are to excuse yourself from the real argument of a mobile device having an active digitizer than not any.
You are avoiding the argument of the S Pen even becoming an annotation tool, like writing note on PDFs, and even doing creating records of dimensions for a project to be shared in a project, by quickly drawing. You can do that walking and standing on site, and share it right away. Again, I'm not talking about fine arts works like you do in a studio or at home.
Designers do sketches for conceptualizing, and fine arts type of drawing are not the way to go. Yeah,avoid that argument of having a convenient pocketable device you can carry all the time that has a digitizer to capture those ideas. I's not about making pretty pictures (at this stage). That comes in later part of presenting the idea, and it's usually done with 3D now but sketching is a process all throughout.
Sorry, but if Samsung was to follow your logic of taking out the S Pen because it's a "gimmick" according to you, then we're just left with any other device the competition is trying to do. Can you draw or write annotation properly and elegible with your finger or fat rubber nosed stylus?
If you dont't use it, it's just there for you to use when you need to write, mark what's importatnt, illustrate what you mean, communicate with diagrams, show what you main concept is, record what you understand, list what you need, layout the main idea. better with an S Pen, then witout. Your choice to use it, or not in your case. I can say i use it a lot. Not a gimmick.
Anomynous, 14 Jul 2014In this case the defense of s-pen became hysterical funny though, when that person wrote &quo... moreIndeed by that line I knew he was merely trolling, no sane person can see those scribbles as 'finer works'. If that is deemed finer work by any standards then those people who approved it should be put behind bars in an asylum for the safety of the general public.
MHanz, 14 Jul 2014Yup but some will argue tooth and nail that it's somehow so useful. Seems like Samsung is maki... moreIn this case the defense of s-pen became hysterical funny though, when that person wrote
"And during ocassions when I do more finer work, I still can do it with a Galaxy Note:"
And then those samples... If those are finer works i wonder how the not so fine works look ahah. Epic facepalm.
Anomynous, 13 Jul 2014I agree with all you said but i admit i did use the pen when i had GN2, not always but sometim... moreYup but some will argue tooth and nail that it's somehow so useful. Seems like Samsung is making those marketing dollars work pretty well. Or maybe it just embellishing lot of people like to do that too.
TheNeighbor, 13 Jul 2014"the lowest inexperienced deviantart contributors do better." LOL. Yeah, of course i... moreI was just trying to be nice really :-) but if you want the brutal honest opinion some of your sketches look like what would come out of someone's vomit. The apparent sketch you drew on the phone of some areas and building looks like what people can do looking at random areas in nature and looking for what they want to see. Like seeing a face in some random cloud. There can possibly be no applied value for such a horrendous sketch of landscape.
Since you are an architect you may well do much better sketches on a proper board but on the phone you have had some fun doing really poor quality material which you hilariously pass off as something useful for work. Please, if that plan of yours that you sketched is going to be used for real work let me know your address and company I need to do society a favor and have your license revoked as the structures you design will not be stable.
Of course I know you are just really trolling for Samsung. The fun nature of your posts suggests you can't be serious with the productivity claims. You may well be having 'fun' doing your pastime, people have fun collecting stones on the beaches too that's also a good pastime. But trying to pass off something you like to do for fun is not equal to actual productivity. The same goes for S-something meaningless features that I berated a while back. Sure you can impress the uninitiated with a few hands waves to browse the net or change the page but it's practicality is nonexistent. Waving your hand in the air in front of the phone like that to make it change a page seriously makes the person look demented. It's a gimmick. The S-pen is a gimmick as well.
MHanz, 13 Jul 2014Sorry your work is not very professional, the lowest inexperienced deviantart contributors do ... moreI agree with all you said but i admit i did use the pen when i had GN2, not always but sometimes for webbrowsing and for example some games where it was an advantage to see more, the pen of course covers up less of the display than a finger does. Never missed the GN2 or the pen though, as you say its just a gimmick and not at all an important one, it doesnt really add anything.
MHanz, 13 Jul 2014Sorry your work is not very professional, the lowest inexperienced deviantart contributors do ... more"the lowest inexperienced deviantart contributors do better." LOL. Yeah, of course it's not a susbstitute for the real Wacom boards, but you can't be mobile with them.
Those are sketches. Incomplete drawings - more mnemonic (for memory) and utilitarian than fine arts. Artists sketch before a more finished than make an elaborate pieces to vision out pieces. That's what we do too as architects and we call them design drawings, study sketches, to help us along the process of designing and communicating what we have in mind with colleagues. You don't do that with a Wacom with PC setup. We can do that too anywhere while doing VOIP for collaborating.
My argument also included the portability aspect you seem not to understand. Again, it's not the fine arts thing you do for hours and days, I'm talking about mere seconds or minutes of sketching, for the eye-mind-hand sequence of recording onto "paper". Not the a full Wacom Cintique on a powerful PC studio setup. Can you walk around with that setup on? I spend more time in the field, and readily can pass dimensions taken to the office for people to work on. No need to set up a Wacom with a PC for that, or have to look for a scanner or fax machine.
I write notes with the Galaxy Note like using S Note app with the S Pen. It's not about drawing or sketching alone, when I was talking about an S Pen. I do keep track of things with jotting things even with some diagramatic sketches, unlike just typing words only. Again, not a fine arts thing with a Wacom setup.
The survey is a sample, yes. You can't go around surveying the entire World and declare the exact number of people not using the S Pen of the Galaxy Note. I, for one is a rare example who use it a lot for my work, and even in my academics. All synced up to the cloud, and quickly recalled for review when I need it. No need to set up a Wacom with PC to do that.
You may see those people who don't use the S Pen at all. Don't make sweeping statements about it being useless.