AnonD-302023, 29 Jan 2018Anyone receive 8.0 update?!?!It's opened for beta channel only.
AnonD-733716, 28 Jan 2018i dont know what phone to but im thinking of xiaomi mi a1 or nokia 6 or huawei p10 lite or sam... moreI've owned both the nokia 6 (from july 2017 to december 2017) and now the xiaomi mi a1 (from december until now)
pros of the nokia: better built quality. can be carried around without a protective case and nothing will happen to it.
cons of the nokia: software is not fast due to bad processor. it can get pretty annoying how slow it gets. camera is bad.
pros of the xiaomi: software wise, it's amazing, pretty fast, if you get the global version made in china you won't get any bugs (because I haven't had any bugs). great camera compared to the nokia.
cons of the xiaomi: kinda fragile. from one small fall I had, it has a scratch on the top side. but if you have a case and a screen protector, it's fine. i'd say it has the same fragility level as an iphone 6 or 6 plus.
AnonD-733716, 28 Jan 2018i dont know what phone to but im thinking of xiaomi mi a1 or nokia 6 or huawei p10 lite or sam... moreBuy Nokia 6. Its build quality is superior, the specs are alright too. I played a couple of games like modern combat, space marshal, oceanhorn, some survival games and some other few games that literally eats the battery due to high graphics (have to say no lags at all) for an hour totally, and also watched some videos, played around the phone, took some pics, recorded a video and battery lasted like 4 and 30 minutes from 86% to 15%. The total screen off time was just over 2 days. If I charged it up to 100% and used it down to 0% then I am sure I can even use it another hour or two. The accubattery shows the average battery last long time in screen on time as just over 8 hours.
I found a way to fix the yellowish color problem of the photos. Go to camera app -> in settings locate capture settings -> change the setting to manual -> come back to the camera app -> set everything to AUTO in the left hand side panel (especially ABW), then go to back to capture settings -> change the capture setting to automatic -> turn on boost light. Now the camera is perfect again :D no yellowish light at all. But this only fixes the selfie camera's color. If someone wants to fix the color of the back light, as I explained earlier, follow the same steps, and in the ABW area, select fluorescent, candescent, cloud. Either one is working except day light. The camera flasher emits bright white light as it's supposed to be. It's not an emulation or software correction, There is a white light in the phone as well, but for some reason yellowish color is used by default.
Anonymous, 27 Jan 2018Select "Manual" mode. Then in AWB, select "Cloudy" or "Shade", only White LED will be active.
... more"Select "Manual" mode. Then in AWB, select "Cloudy" or "Shade", only White LED will be active."
OK, that is correct, now. Previously when I inspected the color of the flash light using those various White Point -settings the flash light always had the very same yellow tint, I'm very sure about this. So, something unknown has changed in the app settings. Also I now get well color managed photos with the camera in full auto (the flash still emits the yellowish light), previously the photos with the same settings had the strong yellow cast.
"Even when White LED is active, you may notice no change in the image colours, as the Camera app is aware of the lighting and corrects the image colour."
Well, either the default camera app is not correctly aware of the ambient lighting, or it does not correct the photos properly (it does not correctly apply color-management). And the app also has either sporadic error(s) in reading the settings data or initial settings data misconfiguration(s).
i dont know what phone to but im thinking of xiaomi mi a1 or nokia 6 or huawei p10 lite or samsung galaxy j5 ( 2017 ) some help please ?? :/
TimoA, 27 Jan 2018"Though there are white and yellow LEDs, in some of the scene modes the yellow LED is not used... moreSelect "Manual" mode. Then in AWB, select "Cloudy" or "Shade", only White LED will be active.
But there wont be much change in the light intensity with that single LED. At times it may look brighter than both LEDs active.
Even when White LED is active, you may notice no change in the image colours, as the Camera app is aware of the lighting and corrects the image colour.
You can use a different Camera app if this is annoying, and raise this issue in Nokia Forums.
TimoA, 27 Jan 2018"Though there are white and yellow LEDs, in some of the scene modes the yellow LED is not used... moreAs I found the only problem of the default camera app is if the flasher is turned off, it makes the photo yellowish, otherwise it's just fine, but this yellowish color can be turned off through settings as I explained earlier. So the only problem is yellowish color being default.
Anonymous, 27 Jan 2018There are two things actually
1. Though there are white and yellow LEDs, in some of the scene... more"Though there are white and yellow LEDs, in some of the scene modes the yellow LED is not used and so results in a whiter shot."
In my Noka 6 (TA-1021, Android 7.12 with all patches up to December) the stock camera app only has three scene modes, they are "Photos", "Panorama" and "Beauty". The physical color of the light from the flash is exactly the same in the "Photos", and "Beauty" scene modes, and in "Panorama" mode the flash (obviously) does not operate at all. Could you please elaborate exactly under what camera settings only the white LED flash would be active?
The purpose of the flash is to provide additional illumination for the scene and in case only one of the two LEDs would be used in some of the scene modes, then the power of the flash would be is cut in half in those modes and that would not be a practical design choice at all because all the LED flashes are very weak. Therefore I believe that both of the LEDs are always used at full of their power when the flash flashes.
Another "peculiarity": Under incandescent light, with the flash suppressed, camera at full auto and in "Panorama" mode, the picture still has the strong yellowish cast BUT when I make only _one_ change, that is I switch the scene mode to "Photos" or to "Beauty" mode, then the picture is good, having proper relative colorimetry, without yellowish (or any other) cast. Seems to me that there are several issues with the default camera app.
Netlat, 27 Jan 2018"The actual color of the flash light did not change at all, the color of the physical light fr... moreThere are two things actually
1. Though there are white and yellow LEDs, in some of the scene modes the yellow LED is not used and so results in a whiter shot.
2. Even if both LEDs are used, the camera app has post processing to correct for the yellow tone. It seems to have a class that sometimes the colour correction don't work as expected.
TimoA, 26 Jan 2018" go to camera settings, then capture settings then turn on manual. then in the camera select ... more"The actual color of the flash light did not change at all, the color of the physical light from the flash is still yellowish. What changed, somehow, apparently was the color management that the camera software does to the pixel data."
A big Lie. Actual color indeed changes. As I said earlier in the post. keep a white sheet, and take a photo by adjusting the settings I told you. You can see the flasher emits WHITE BRIGHT color NOT yellowish color, it means there is a white flasher as well. It's not a software emulation.
TimoA, 26 Jan 2018" go to camera settings, then capture settings then turn on manual. then in the camera select ... moreThe flash in Nokia 6 is dual-tone and yellow'ish, this cannot be changed.
The amber/yellow tint in pictures and videos is resolved with the Android 7.1.2 and/or the October 2017 updates on my phone.
You can check that both flash LED's work if you put ~10 sheets of white paper over the camera and turn on the flashlight.
One LED is bright white and the other orange if all is well mechanically.
Anonymous, 26 Jan 2018I don't know if the OP said about led patent is true or not. But do you have any idea about pa... more"An LED may be cheap but if it's covered by patents"
Naturally LED lamps themselves are not patented and they are extremely cheap when bought in huge quantities.
But my understanding is that the __idea__ of using a blinking and/or color changing (led) light source in mobile phones, in order to inform to the user about new messages or missed calls, is patented in most of the western world.
Netlat, 26 Jan 2018"The yellowish flash is somewhat irritating to me but I always edit each photo that I actually... more" go to camera settings, then capture settings then turn on manual. then in the camera select daylight or fluorescent light. It makes the flasher WHITE.".
Lo and behold! My Nokia 6 stock camera app has provided photos that had rather strong yellowish cast, this has been so with flash photos as well as with indoor shots illuminated only by "warm white" lamps (so, without camera flash). In both cases also the preview showed similar yellowish cast. Only outdoors under sunlight and cloudy situations the photos have had good white point, without the strong yellowish cast, that is to say: Perfectly according to relative colorimetry, the way how all properly functioning cameras behave under all illumination situations (except the most bizarre ones).
Now, I turned the Capture Settings option into Manual mode and took several test photos using various manual control settings. I was still getting photos with more or less yellows casts and also the preview indicated that cast. Then I set the White Point setting to AWB and immediately the preview was good and flash photos as well as indoor shots under incandescent light (without flash) were good, no yellowish cast at all.
Then I set the Capture Settings option back into Auto, and it is still the same, all photos are good, without the yellowish cast. Now it seems that the only way for me to get the excessive yellowish cast, be it flash photos or in non-flash photos, is to set the AWB to something else but Auto.
Btw1: The actual color of the flash light did not change at all, the color of the physical light from the flash is still yellowish. What changed, somehow, apparently was the color management that the camera software does to the pixel data.
Btw2: I have never seen this strong yellow color cast issue in the Open Camera -app (a _very_ capable camera app, totally free, has no ads, requires no cockeyed permissions) by Mr. Mark Harman.
TimoA, 25 Jan 2018My understanding is that the Indicator Led is a patented idea and expensive to license, it is ... more"The yellowish flash is somewhat irritating to me but I always edit each photo that I actually use so it is just an irritation. "
Then go to camera settings, then capture settings then turn on manual. then in the camera select daylight or fluorescent light. It makes the flasher WHITE. Yeah nokia 6 has two flash light colors as I read, and I checked on my phone and found it's true.