I dont get your point I was actually replying on your post about 6120 having superior camera quality and video to 6233
and from your latest post
you agree to what dani said about the bigger the resolution the better
VGA is BIGGER than CIF
Dani , 20 Sep 2008the BIGGER the resolution the better the Quality! Right man! U explained my point in those few words!
Carloud..1.i was taking about 6233 and 3120 but u started giving lessens about how vga video is always clearer than cif ignoring the performance of device so i brought my previous examples....2.u r wrong the frame rate of vga of 6233 is 25 not 15fps and i checked that by using specific programs but the problem is not the frame rate but the dead pixels wich reach inacceptable amount indoors and blow up the clearity of 6233 vga video recording .
well your arguement is invalid
because both the 6233, n70, 6120 (btw here I thought we were talking about 6120 and 6233)
have nokia proprieted lenses aka no brand lenses all of those are not carl zeiss
and WE are comparing 6120 and 6233 here dont include other phones and for the record YES 6233 is better than n73 if you are to watch your videos on T.V.
6233's "ripple" effect is because it only runs at 15fps
if n73 could do VGA their is a high chance that if would also have the rippling effect even with the video stabilization turned on because it only records ar 15fps
and what you are referring to is not about the lens per se...its actually the processing algorithms within the camera module
their is an error in the processing of the images in the camera of 6233 in low light where their is pixel blotching also known as "dead pixels" in poor lighting
and for the record....61210s only advantage over the 6233 in poor lighting is because it has led flash
but the noise of both phones without the flash is just about the same except with 6233 having "dead pixels" on some fixed areas of the pictures
again this all just about the cameras algorithms not because of the lens
if you are done with this conversation so am I lets end this as it is...
carloud, 19 Sep 2008sir pirate of iraq hmm...just now....it struck me... why would I bother trying to prove th... moreSo im close minded! At least im not takin thioritically! Im taking facts comes from real using.. I repeat vga means higher resolution than cif but u have to concider the hardware which is the lense.. For example n70 and 6233 are both 2mp but after tryn both a saw that its cif video recording of n70 is better and more stable and dont affect by inviroment(presense or abscense of day light) in result cuz the lense is better and cost nokia more to b potted on n70..also n73 have 3.2 carlzeuss lense designed for high performance but it records cif video! Does that mean that its vga video of 6233 is better than cif of n73 ? No and i tried both n73 better cuz its hardware which is high performance lense..and about zooming the result video on pc screen im takin about 6233 not other devices.. There is small spots usually red in color become bigger if u zoomed the video come from poor and cheap lense which is not happened for example in n73 cif video.try to use the fones instead of making thiories ! And im done with this disscussion
sir pirate of iraq
hmm...just now....it struck me...
why would I bother trying to prove that VGA is superior to CIF to you
when your first remark is
"how could VGA be superior to CIF?"
which in the first place it is quite obvious that VGA is superior to CIF or to what 6120c could do at least
second you argued that CIF is clearer when zooming
when in fact, in order to see more details when zooming, you need to have a big resolution
and in this case BIGGER IS BETTER
and VGA is bigger therefore it is better( though not always, yet again 6233's VGA video is at the very least, better than what EVERY phone that does CIF can do when it comes to details)
you are either kidding me, or is just a closed minded person not aware of whats happening in his surroundings...I mean, hey in the way wwe are in I cannot prove to you personally on how VGa of 6233 is better than what 6120's CIF video can do
but at least try to read what other people say, or research about it...just try looking at EVERY review here on gsm arena or other phone websites most of the time if not EVERYTIME they say CIF is inadequate and when VGA video is superb
if the point of your arguement is that mp4 is better than 3gp well you are correct specially in audio but in your post you argued about details here
and when it comes to details....BIGGER is BETTER or at least more visible
it has come to a point that we can say the quality of an image is not affected by the size or the number of megapixels it has, because quite frankly, how much bigger a picture do we need to get?
but in videos where resolutions are usually Small...it is an accepted fact of life that we need BIGGER resolutions in order to view it decently on the P.C. or T.V.
oh and btw...I reviewed some of your posts and it seems that in your earlier posts...you have been ditching the 6233.
I highly suggest that you come out of your cloak and be honest to yourself, because if this is an attempt to flame or degrade 6233's value...I would like to tell you that you are just wasting your time
the people who frequent this forum from my experience, accept what is real, they accept that 6233 can be beaten by other phones too, but base their opinions on facts
and in your recent posts...in no way are you basing your opinions on facts....you are obviously saying things out of your own pocket(or wherever you pull your ideas out from)
hmm@ pirate of iraq
CIF does not always mean mp4 format
second 6233 does videos in mp4 settings at 3gpp format
resolution is not everything you say? And yet you insist that CIF is superior when zooming compared to VGA I tell you
because of VGA's huge resolution it is able to zoom in to that preserves the quality
whereasas CIF...it will already have trouble halfway in zooming the videos
3rd why bother zooming in if you are only using digital zoom? the quality will detriorate no matter what
you cant argue about the fact that VGA will always be superior to CIF specially in zooming
and video quality usually is dependent on the bitrate and 6233's bitrate pawns 6120, n70, n73, n90s bitrate any day any time
try watching CIF videos on a standard TV then compare watching VGA videos on standard t.v.
I did this using n95's TV out
hehe tried playing videos recorded by d900 at a true MP4 CIF (352x288) compared to 6233s 3gp (640 x 480)
you see that in VGA youll see there is artifacts nor as much pixelation as that of the CIF
the only advantage of that of the mp4 format by the d900 is in the audio
actually bigger resolution does not always equal to being better
but in the case of the video recording (in phones) the higher the resolution, the more watchable it is on T.V(due to the fact that video resolutions are very small, which maxes out at 2megapixels HD compared to image resolution which even goes as high as 24 megapixels if I am not mistaken
the only way that the 6120c could stand up against 6233 is if it can record videos at 30fps
but alas....it cannot
sir pirate of IRAQ...dont you notice that in gsmarenas review nowadays they say that QVGA or CIF is inadequate? you can find these comments most of the time when they are reviewing S.E. phones (Im not dissing S.E.)
RBa, 19 Sep 20081. CIF means mp4 while VGA audio codec is amr? Wow, let alone the N95 to be cited as an examp... moreIm not talking generally man.. Im taking about specified models which r 6233 and 3120c generally vga means higher resolution than cif but without good hardware that woudnt b true .. The hardware is the lense..the lense of 3120 is far better than 6233 so its cif video is clearer than vga video of 6233! Thats what i meant!
PIRATE OF IRAQ, 19 Sep 2008How cod vga beat cif? May b u r meaning the resolusion 640 against 352 but u r wrong the reso... more1. CIF means mp4 while VGA audio codec is amr?
Wow, let alone the N95 to be cited as an example here. N95 records VGA resolution videos in mp4 format and encodes it in a high bitrate AAC Stereo as its audio codec.
You see, the resolution totally has got nothing to do with audio codec of the video. Meaning the audio codec is not resolution specific. It depends on the hardware support of the phone. For example, the 6233 can record videos at VGA resolution in 3gp format with amr as its audio codec while the N78 can record VGA resolution videos in mp4 format with AAC Stereo as its audio codec.
2. VGA resolution videos aren't clear when zoomed while CIF resolution videos are clear?
640x480 pixels (VGA) vs. 352x288 pixels (CIF)
Looking at the pixel resolution alone, then you already have an idea which one is better. Higher resolution videos means higher pixel count and apparently higher pixel count means better reproduction and reveals more details. So recorded VGA videos reveals much clearer details when zoomed than CIF videos.
6233 had speed 15 fps max only in video recorder.
LG Viety is the monster in video recorder (QVGA, 120 fps). its truly...
carloud, 18 Sep 2008pirate you do realise that VGA>CIF
and 6120 also records videos at 15 fps
... moreHow cod vga beat cif? May b u r meaning the resolusion 640 against 352 but u r wrong the resolution is not every thing cuz: 1. Cif means mp4 video plus aac audio while vga audio codec is amr!
2.cif video can b zoomed on pc screen and keep its clearity while vga is not clear in the first place so cant b zoomed with keeping clearity!
3.6233 vga lense fails in taking clear pictures indoors or at night while 3120 do can!
PIRATE OF IRAQ, 18 Sep 2008my girlfriend gave me n82 in my birthday! wow! shall i keep my 6233 ?! i ll think about it!Keep 6233
pirate you do realise that VGA>CIF
and 6120 also records videos at 15 fps
now if you are playing videos which has a native 30fps ( a movie for example)
you wont notice a difference if you reduce the framerate at 15fps clocked at 240x320 screen resolution
6233 pawns 6120 in video playing and recording
and besides...6233 handles high bitrates efficiently too!!!
the only thing that 6120 can pawn 6233 is that 6120 can rewind and fast forward videos whilest 6233 cant
my girlfriend gave me n82 in my birthday! wow! shall i keep my 6233 ?! i ll think about it!
6233 indeed better in sound like other latest nokia series, but often hang-up esp. in vedio parts, however i really appreciate the stereo speaker that gettin into my nerve you should try it folks.
My Speakers still work after 2.5 years of owning it, iv never used my 6233 as a Ghetto Blaster in other words to blast music with ..
for Music i always use Earphones
and for Hi-Fi ..i use a Hi-Fi
honestly if you want to listen to music, get a decent pair of Earphones...!