Okay so it might be corona but I don't agree with Nokia announcing a phone so early and it not going on sale within a month or two. By then it's forgotten about and the competition drowns it.
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2020Interesing explanation i must say. Now, with things getting more even like a chinese phone wit... moreI forgot to answer your question: yes i think the gap is smaller then ever between china corporates and western ones. Most problematic remaining software and actuall phone abilities. But as far as i know some of them actually bought some Nokia licenses, might be that they bought antena design ones. Still so, as i told you when you started to not be nice in nokia comment sections, i will not buy one, cause i do not support this kind of faulplay businesess. The only brand i have respect for, in that area, would be Asus. They jumped into making smartphones, like all others, but they innovate, have a theme and are not in for a quick buck. With more then 30 years on the market they are at different league as the likes of the pup-up up brands from the est. But well ,they are Taiwanese.
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2020Interesing explanation i must say. Now, with things getting more even like a chinese phone wit... moreThat is what i meant. They use the same soc, different cheapper batches with the risk of higher computing failure rate. Maybe not in their 1000€ devices (i mean i hope so) but in the likes of Poco phone for sure, and most probably all China packed devices that floaded the market at least before 2019 have low quality hardware installed. As for the 1000€ devices. Maybe they are better made with more respect for the customer, but at the price, i would rather buy anything else. Here i exclude huaway as they have decades of hardware experience. It is not like i support them, but they are not in the same basket.
Can't beleave this, on clove ik Nokia 8.3 is in shops 8 oktober, is Nokia crazy, poeole are waiting for months and dont dat is corona .I dont beleave that. Somebody is to blame for this and should be out of the job.
Carol, 21 Aug 2020Well, it is a bit complicated but i'll try. As in every manufacturing segment, in hardwar... moreInteresing explanation i must say. Now, with things getting more even like a chinese phone with a non chinese phone, we get to see the same Qualcomm SoC and same components with RAM and storage from samsung or whatever, do we really get to see a difference in the end user experience?
Anonymous, 21 Aug 2020Which part of the hardware do u think is 3rd class? I ask u as a genuine questionWell, it is a bit complicated but i'll try. As in every manufacturing segment, in hardware segment, especially when we talk microchip, circuits, whatever works on binary level, their are batches, or let's say, failure rate. Let's say here is the quality in 3 messures devided. First is the best, where hardware failure is almost nonexistent, let's say from 85% to 95% meets the requirements, second class meets the requirements between 70% and 85% and the last between 55% and 70. Well, The first line of batches is the most expensive, as they are controlled and meet the requirements. The second is not bad ider but they have a higher failure rate, this is mostly used by all manufacturers, because even tough it is not the greatest, it is not bad at all, and the third is well, the chippest, also with the most computing failure. At the human level this can be translated into slowdowns, glitches and rarely, system crashes. Of course this is issue is not always the hardware to blame. As there can be bugs at software level that can crash the system or slow it down. That is why is kinda hard for us to make a difference beside those times when only your device has the problem and others don't, then it is clearly a hardware failure and has less to do with software. This is just scratching the surface and quite rough said. Their are a lot of other things that do not meet the eye of the user. But anyhow, this is how chinaware is sudently cheapper the others. Just a small part from the big picture, of course.
Anonymous, 21 Aug 2020Which part of the hardware do u think is 3rd class? I ask u as a genuine questionWell, it is a bit complicated but i'll try. As in every manufacturing segment, in hardware segment, especially when we talk microchip, circuits, whatever works on binary level, their are batches, or let's say, failure rate. Let's say here is the quality in 3 messures devided. First is the best, where hardware failure is almost nonexistent, let's say from 85% to 95% meats the requirements, second class meats the requirements between 70% and 85% and the last between 55% and 70. Well, The first line of batches is the most expensive, as they are controlled and meet the requirements, The second is not bad ider but they have a higher failure rate, this is mostly used by all manufacturers, because even tough it is not the greatest, it is not bad at all, and the third is well, the chippest, also with the most computing failure. At the human level this can be translated into slowdowns, glitches and rarely, system crashes. Of course this is issue is not always the hardware to blame. As there can be bugs at software level that can crash the system or slow it down. That is why is kinda hard for us to make a difference beside those times when only you device has the problem and others don't then it is clearly a hardware failure and has less to do with software. This is just scratching the surface and quite rough said. Their are a lot of other things that do not meet the eye of the user. But anyhow, this is how chinaware is sudently cheapper the others. Just a small part from the big picture, of course.
Carol, 20 Aug 2020This devices have Nokia design written all over the place. Nokia 9 is quite unique also. Pure ... moreWhich part of the hardware do u think is 3rd class? I ask u as a genuine question
Anonymous, 20 Aug 2020LG is dead too.. Now Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Realme and OnePlus are innovative ones, that have im... moreLike he said, build quality and design are two different aspects. Aluminum frames are not as durable and sturdy, at least with my my 6.1 plus. The side frame has tiny holes (like corroded) and the front glass has a long crack from a 2 feet fall.
RishiGuru, 20 Aug 2020HMD Global from its very onset (2015) had an ambition to set new standards in design, material... moreLG is dead too..
Now Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Realme and OnePlus are innovative ones, that have improved their quality too and also bringing 120W Fast Charging, 120Hz Screen and better Software experience.
Apple, Nokia, LG and Sony are stuck up with their Notches, 10 - 18 W Chargers and bad Software Performance. ( Except Apple!)
Samsung is a another Fiasco with their Exynos-Scam, they're destroying themselves, no wonder why Chinese companies are leading the Smartphone World in the Next years.
Btw, i'm not a CCP Fanboy, i'm just saying the Facts because those Companies give them opportunity. But what i admire about Nokia is their build Quality like you said, because even Samsung makes oveepriced Phones with Plastic frame and back.
Anonymous, 19 Aug 20208.3 has more bands. 9.3 no card slot, no 3.5mm.But 9.3 would come with 120hz, 108 MP and also with 5G.
The 8.3 for 599€ is just a dead arrival. OnePlus Nord does it better and also Moto G 5G because they have 90Hz and better Software for lesser Price.
Of course the 8.3 has more 5G bands, but when you look what OnePlus, Xiaomi and even Motorola offers 5G Phones for lesser Price, the 8.3 has no chance.
Anonymous, 20 Aug 2020Nokia, please bring back your old identity. Nokia phones used to be very unique. The N and E s... moreThis devices have Nokia design written all over the place. Nokia 9 is quite unique also. Pure android and 3 years software support is also not a normal of today, so uniqueness? You maybe want innovation, but let's be realistic here, chinaware sells as hot cackes and the only thing they did was use third class hardware and copy paste. So how will innovation compete in a mass of ignorance?
Tawkir, 20 Aug 2020Bring oled display, metal frame wireless charging tech.It a tually has them besides oled, a very overhyped tech that is actually worst in the long run.
DanCooper, 08 Aug 2020I only need Scandinavian build 5G that will work in most of europe. 100 euro is a huge differe... moreHMD Global from its very onset (2015) had an ambition to set new standards in design, material quality and manufacturing innovation by building on the hallmarks of a true Nokia phone experience. In reality that dream did not last much and were mostly confined to 2018 before they woke up and faced harsh reality and cut throat competition from Chinese manufacturers. Their first model lineup of 2017 made the unheard quality available to Nokia customers but those phones lacked in performance except for the flagship Nokia 8. In 2018, they rectified this performance issue for mid to high end models and three gems were born. Perhaps the best trio of Nokia's that ever were made by HMD, namely the Nokia 8 Sirocco, Nokia 7 Plus & Nokia 6.1.
Take the example of Nokia 8 Sirocco. Over 95% of its exterior body is vacuum moulded Corning Gorilla Glass 5. HMD Global wanted to attain thin 2 millimeter sides on this phone to celebrate their first Nokia flagship bearing "Sirocco" name.
For 8 Sirocco they choose stainless-steel which is 2.5 times stronger than 6000 series aluminium. The 6000 series were used in their 7 Plus & Nokia 6.1 models. This change for a stronger material was necessary for the load bearing frame to deliver the same level of structural integrity of say the Nokia 6.1. Nokia 8 Sirroco being ultra-compact do not have the same internal dimension or volume of 6.1's aluminium uni-body in-order to attain the same level of structural strength. Hence the change in material.
This frame is also quite different from a uni-body in the sense that it's a 2 millimeter thick stainless-steel plate which runs throughout the whole body of 8 Sirroco. As expected from Nokia, the stainless steel frame is carved out of a single block of steel, machined for hours into a solid, yet uniquely slim and compact shape. And in the end the stainless steel frame is given dual diamond-polished for improved grip and even diamond cuts on the edges to celebrate this unique design. Its curved glass finish envelops the stainless-steel frame, combines a curved edge-to-edge pOLED 2K 5.5-inch display with moulded body curves to create an compact profile.
The most unique aspect to love about Nokia 8 Sirroco's structural design is the stainless steel frame runs through the whole body which does adds quite a bit of weight of 177 grams for its compact profile. To me it only signifies that this creates for an extremely robust internal design which quite amazingly can take in the middle of it the weight of three grown men before it will break. An unheard feat of structural integrity for a dual glass sandwich designed phone that no other smartphone manufacturer can beat till date.
Specification wise the 8 Sirroco phone was reasonably powerful with Snapdragon 835 SoC, 6GB of LPPDDR4X RAM and 128GB of UFS 2.1 internal storage. Being a glass-back it allowed wireless charging and a 18 watts Qualcomm QC4 wall charger is included in the box. Battery capacity was small by today's standard at just 3260 mAh but lasts for day. And Nokia 8 Sirocco was IP67 water resistant as well. My only gripes were no headphone jack, no memory card support & single SIM which led me in not having this phone. Instead I own the other two namely Nokia 7 Plus & Nokia 6.1.
Now I admit, built quality & design are just two aspects of a phone. Others are user experience and specification. The two Nokia's I own pretty much nailed it in all three aspects bar software user experience. Nokia's lacks the level of consistency in software and frequent software updates makes the situation even worse with the phone getting slower and slower with no time spent for software optimization by Nokia. With Nokia phones having powerful SoCs, you wont feel it like in my Nokia 7 Plus. But if you use the Nokia 6.1 you will have a sense of slowness in software experience as the SoC is not that powerful.
In comparison I have seen my LG phones get semi-annual updates, just twice a year but they nail those releases in terms consistency, optimization, seamless operation and zero software issues. You may say LG's are super slow in releasing major OS updates. But when they do the software is just rock solid. I like LG's approach as I can trust their phone as their phone always works as advertised having zero issues.
Nokia, please bring back your old identity. Nokia phones used to be very unique. The N and E series were different from other devices. Meego and Symbian as well as Nokia's uniqueness is missed.
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