Do you really they're making phones lighter and less solid than they used to for any other reason than profit?
Like you say, its the same with any product -when a manufacturer finds a cheaper material, they use it. But they could carry on making rock solid, hard wearing phones, but that would cost them more than to use the flimsy, disposable cheap plastic, so thats the order of the day.
Look at the 8800, a fine phone, made with the highest quality materials. That phone will soldier on for years, but my word didn't Nokia make people pay for that - you had to remortgage your house for the phone and its features ain't anything special. And that was the point I'm making. In days gone by, rugged, solid, long-lasting phones were standard practice at Nokia, I was a real Nokia fan and for a good few years, thats all I'd buy. But I turned against Nokia a couple of years back after seeing straight through their obvious customer un-friendly profit-grabbing competitor-bullying consumer-misleading ways. And I know I'm not the only one.
This is what Nokia says( About Enviroment)
" Design for Environment is a way of firmly integrating environmental issues into the research and development process for new products and technologies. The overall aim is to minimise material and energy consumption while maximising the potential for reuse and recycling. This is part of what we call 'life cycle thinking'. To find out more about other programmes, click here.
Nokia's Design for Environment tools help integrate life cycle thinking into business decision-making, aiming to design environmental solutions from the beginning. Our respect for the needs of future generations goes all the way from the production of raw materials selected to the recycling of obsolete equipment.
Nokia in the UK has been instrumental in the development of the Design for Environment tools and processes at Nokia Mobile Phones. The activities we are engaged in range from material substitution in mobile phones, to measuring and improving their recyclability, and reducing the energy consumed in use.
Periodically we conduct life cycle studies to deepen our understanding and ensure our strategies address the most important environmental issues."
All that you environmental friendly ppl are saying is crap. Nokia has changed the way we used u handle our mobile phones. In old times the cars used to be rock solid, so why are they making them lighter & less solid. Boss all these explainations do not hold any ground. Nokia has actually pushed the competetion against the wall. If they are working on newer & sexier models, its only thanks to Nokia. The entire defination of a Mobile has been changed and this has happenned only because of Nokia. If we see fewer companies sitting on their assess, it is only because of Nokia.
You take any damn product around us, you will find that the quality that we used to get in yesteryears is no longer present. This has only to do with our hidden desire to change, to be fashionable & to be modern.
Nokia has been working towards getting us cheaper & commercially viable products, to ensure that this wonder is placed in each pocket and that everyone is connected to everyone. I salte Nokia for "Connecting People"
And lastly none of companies work for charity. Nokia is a environmental friendly company and would do all in its power to save it. Anyways the old mobile phones do land in poorer countries due to market dynamics and no one needs to make a strategy for it.
Our environmental is being shattered due to much bigger project that we tend to ignore. Environmental is being polluted at a much larger scale by weapons, poisnous gases and what not. Because of Nokia, we are much more connected resulting in lesser wastage of raw materials and our resourses.
And the crap about Nokia Menu being boring! I have found very few people who will say the same till date. Nokia's reason of success is sue to its software development. Its the easiest and the the most effcient.
And I do not work for Nokia, but am a true fan of this giant.
You have mede my point...no need to ship old phones to 3rd world or developing countries Motorola are launching a sub USD 50 phone in India so is Nokia.
Under the guise of technological improvements these companies are covering up their shabby approach to the environment. 67 million phones you mentioned Nokia sold, that is 67 million pieces of JUNK 2-3 years down the line. If a phone lasts 5 - 6 years that is less junk we all have to deal with.
Also Nokia battries have been giving up in a years time ( I have been complaining about this for some time 6210 7 hrs new phones max 2-4 hrs why has Nokia stopped making what I call integrated body battries--they last longer) replacing 67 million battries every year is great business for Nokia....also it is killing the world. Any Idea how many stand alone battries Nokia sell every years...it will be interesting to know.
The most recent environmental report I could find on Nokia's website is from 2002. Link below:
Their environmental policy can also be found on their website:
Although as you've stated previously, they could do far more for the environment if they just increased the longevity of their products. Look at the old 3310 or going even further back the 6150 or the 5110......These rock solid phones, were released years ago that are still being used today (look at the forums, recent posts by current users). Can you imagine trying to use, for instance, a 6060, or another one of their flimsy, disposable phones of today in 5 years time? They'll have fallen to pieces by then even with only moderate use.
Now I completely understand that in todays industry, in most cases, handsets are not needed for longer periods and most service agreements offer upgrades after 12 months, but if we are talking environmental issues here, then this is clearly something Nokia (among others) have taken a much lighter stance on in order to ensure their profits don't suffer. All they (or the networks) need to do is recall old handsets when offering an upgrade, then the old handsets can be either recycled or re-used in developing nations. Unfortunately I can't see anyone doing this as it would meen extra staff, extra administration and logistics and extra effort. So its just not good business sense. Sad but true.....
does any one have a copy of nokia's environmental and recycling policy. they are glad if you replace your phone regularly without taking into account what will happen to the environment.
i think a little more research must be done in this area.my appeal to all cellular companies pls make your products robust,batteries last long and talk time even longer...you will be contributing to the environment
NOKIA SUCKS! i've been a nokia user since 1998 from 5110 to 3230. its boring, bulky, and it's value doesn't hold-up that long. The next thing you'll know it just dropped 50% from its original value. i tried samsung and motorola they're quiet good compared to nokia. This Finnish company doesn't care about "human technology"... they only care on "Money Technology". Customer care is a pain in the neck. and since China's economy boomed Nokia prices began to dropped overnight and quality deteriorated. im happy to shift to sony ericsson. even though its cheap, it has class, style, functionality, and simplicity. ive been using SE's T68i, P900, P910i, K750i, and K600i. by the way its a phone unlike nokia trying to converge everything... whats next nokia a phone that has a freezer in it and can run upto 300mph? hahahaha. wake up! its a phone not a mixed up stuff that's going to be useless after all.
Jo....Nokia is big right now...2 years hence will they be big....not at the way they are going...they will loose market share .
By the way 67 million phones translates to what % of market share...also do share with me what nokia's market share has been over the years... I know it has dropped over the years...
You sound like a guy who works for Nokia...instead of trying to justify what Nokia is doing take this as positive feedback and get them to improve their products....as long as a customer complains you know you have a chance to retain his loyalty. As soon as he goes quite you loose him.
I have been a loyal Nokia fan for about 5 years.Now I am at the point of shifting to Sony Ericsson P910 or waiting for the P990 as I am not happy with the 9300 and the 9500 is a bad product with too many flaws and compramises.WAKE UP NOKIA TO THIS REALITY YOU ARE LOOSING MARKET SHARE and the only reason is that the products are slowly detiorating in quality.
hey striker, they are actually way ahead from all the other makers generally speaking, that strategy you say, about putting the phones of the markets and then when they are released they are not impressive anymore, sounds more like motorolas, nokias phones are released no mroe than 6 months after they are announced, there are a few exceptions, and they are not losing market share, they sold 67 milllions of handsets last quarter and 60 millions before that, you know thats a 7 million grow, they are good and you know it =)
You're absolutely right, Nokia are gradually losing their clients confidence and if they carry on like this all they're gonna be left with is the Finns and bona-fide Nokia fans. Thats because they treat their customers like they're fools. Who in their right mind can't see through the fact that Nokia announce new phones by the bucketload to give the impression they're ahead of the market, yet by the time they get around to releasing them they're no better than the competition. And by then and people have lost interest and/or confidence.
I'm no brain surgeon but even I can tell you this is the wrong way to keep hold of loyal clients.
After comparing Nokia 9300i with products of Sony Ericsson, I feel Nokia 9300i is overpriced. If the price of the handset is around 19-20k, then it's worth buying!!
I have seen many negative posts for this phone as well as other low featured phones coming up....if every phone comes with the greatest set of features available up to date, then there wont be a differece in the market segments...people how can spend more and need more functions can go with the high end phone while others can choose phones for their own requirements...there is no such rule as that every new release should have all the features...
I am wondering if anyone,espically consumer forums can take Nokia to COURT.
Their 5110 /6210 had between 4Hrs 30 Mts to 7 Hrs of talk time...now their best phones do 4 hrs..technology has improved but their strategy seems to be-make poor products with shabby technology and keep forcing the customer to upgrade....(like the 9300i)BAD STRATGEY NOKIA YOUR MARKET SHARE WILL FALL
Also why has Nokia stopped making phones with battries that are a part of the body like the 5110 or 6210 .....
Well said you've got Nokia sussed, and you're further confirming what I've been thinking and saying about them for a long time. They need to stop flooding the market with tweaked versions of existing models while simultaneously hypeing several unreleased "uber-phones" that get delayed then delayed, then delayed again. Then, by the time they do come out they're a let-down cos the competitors have something available that equals or beats it. Nokia is all about clever marketing, they get people drooling and then make them wait. 18 unreleased phones on the main Nokia page of GSMarena. Think that says it all.
People are getting wise to you Nokia.
9300i... The least I thought they would come up with a vibrating alert, very important option in a phone in today's noisy world.
I sure hope if they come up with a 9500 update, I hope they have a vibrating alert in it.
Nokia needs to bring out with more innovative. Currently they are just stuck wtih producing (i) versions for their current phone or copying looks from other companies or most importantly - the never ending software issues.
I have a friend who feels it was the biggest mistake he made buying the N70, he says the software issues are never ending.
When can we buy a nokia phone which is complete. We all know that answer.. Nokia does too :)
u will find the 9300i slow for a while but as soon as the firmwire gets upgraded it should be no problem
why do ppl want a camara
GO BUY A 8 megapix DIGI cam then....
9300 and 9300i is Code named ( mini computer ) in nokia....
get the word MINI...
if they put a cam it will be ssame size as teh 9500 :)
wait untill late 2006 or early 2007 if u want a good 9 series phone...
Yes it is true the 9300 has out sold the 9500...
Dont complain about looking or anything it is the same i asked my nokia friend y u got the 9300 its old he said its 9300i everything is the same in it only the Wlan.. and some goodies :) for u to wait and see :)