Anonymous, 19 Sep 2009hi TRF!
did you try the e52 GPS? good or poor signal? fast or slow?
thanks!!!hi, I didn't get a chance to test the GPS.
I'll try this week and give an update on it. but I think somebody posted something about it already though.
Hello everybody! I use to like Nokia and especially the nokia E series phones this is why I got E50, E51 and a week ago I went shopping for the E52. Its got a stunning battery life and it looks nice as well. However, the first batch of E52s that arrived at the stores were really bad concerning with the software. It kept crashing all the time, I could not even finish or start a phone call.It kept disconnecting from my nokia Bluetooth headset and it always kept restarting. I could not connect it via bluetooth to my laptop so as to retrieve the phone book and in general it made my life horrible!!! I got it back to the store, they agreed to give me a new one since that one was obviously a faulty one! Then when I got home and opened the new box the On/Off button was missing (from the top side of the phone) and the battery cover was badly scratched! I called the immediately and I went back to the store again. They confirmed that the phone was damaged from the beginning and they tried to find me a new E52 or I had to get another model. Since the batch of E52s was small there was no other phone in the store and since I did not want any other phone but the E52 the gave me a full refund for the price of the phone!
So, I wonder, what is going on with Nokia quality control? Why is this keep happening to these guys in the north? I have to admit that I am fed up with nokia and that I am not going to buy any other again. I wish that this happened only to me, but I read in other forums that they had the same problems with me! NOKIA, Please raise your quality and reliability standards, or you will lose in the market by others (htc, samsung and lg make stunning phones nowadays)
A disappointed ex-nokia user!
I like it too much & I want to buy one to my fiancée.
So please tell me how to buy one, or call me if you know how...
002 010 154 9893
DO NOT GET THIS PHONE!
I had mine for about 2 weeks before I had to return it (UK, made in Finland).
Noise cancellation feature means when you are outside and there are cars going past etc, your own voice gets cut off and is very hard for people to here.
GPS at first was accurate, later VERY inaccurate, even with aGPS turned off.
The build quality is very poor - there is light bleeding everywhere, especially under the screen, and the buttons do not all feel the same, as if they are about to fall out!
The Nokia logo on the back feels like it is about to come off.
Very disappointed, as the phone is unbelievably light, thin, has EXCELLENT battery life, and very good and fast OS.
Shame the other things let it down big time..
back to topic
now, i want to know if any of u already got the gold E52 in ur hometown?
i asked one distributor here and they said NOT yet.
im really curious and hope anyone do kindly snap some pic of ur golden E52 to show it here for us. is it as good as it looks in some videos?
im afraid the golden variant are later come as "special" item with higher price... just like N73 white.
sorry again trf, which country do u come from? do u buy unlocked E52 or locked E52?
i just want to know distribution area of E52 korean made.
ask GSMARENA editor team where they get finlands E52.
vertu is not nokia, but owned by nokia.
vertu is UK based not finland.
u can check at nokia.com and they dont have vertu list on there.
they have diffrent segment and basically totally diffrent design concept, diffrent marketing strategy.
i dont see any vertu adopt nokias style at all, even compare with nokias 8*** class.
I agree with trf. Based on general records, China made goods are generally less reliable and quality wise, questionable. It also doesn't mean that everything China-made is defective. Don't get me wrong, pls, nothing personal. I'm an Asian Chinese, though not fr China.
trf, 19 Sep 2009Mass production accounts for defects my friend.
the more things you produce, the more buste... moreWow that was a fast response buddy!
Once again, I agree. Percentage error becomes larger when the demand increases.
Anyway, I guess we're getting farther and farther. And I think it's about time to end these talks regarding quality of manufacture since we've got valid points presented already. It's up for people to choose based on EXPERIENCES and PERCEIVED QUALITY, like OJ having trust on European makes and we can't blame him because he has enough experience to prove his point. Bottomline is, it depends on people's preferences.
RBa, 19 Sep 2009I agree, Apple controls only a small fraction of the market and that mass production of phones... moreMass production accounts for defects my friend.
the more things you produce, the more busted ones will go out.
if you produce 100 phones and 1% is broken, that's 1 phone.
if 1000, 10. if 100000, 100. so on and so forth.
That's just how things are mass produced.
Quality control drops because of demand sometimes.
the fewer products you produce the lower the chances of producing broken ones.
that's just how things work in assembly production.
But yes, based on how large a market share Nokia controls, it still produces excellent quality.
NokiaLuvrFromJakarta, 19 Sep 2009thanks for the response.
i respect every opinion here, but one thing i want to say is, nowa... morecorrection.
the 8800 Gold Arte is not the most expensive Nokia Phone.
the Vertus are.
they cost $300,000.
cheapest ones are $7000.
anything below that are rip offs.
you might get a good deal for the lowest class for $5000... maybe.
but at that price for a luxury phone I wouldn't trust it much if it doesn't come from Europe.
trf, 19 Sep 2009people don't actually complain about apple products because ALL of them ARE "made from China".... moreI agree, Apple controls only a small fraction of the market and that mass production of phones can be a factor affecting quality. I'm comparing Apple and Nokia because I base it on the fact that both companies have factories in China. That's my sole reason for comparing the two and not based on market share. And besides, Nokia has a lot of factories (and I bet, even employees too) so mass production of its phones shouldn't compromise quality.
NokiaLuvrFromJakarta, 19 Sep 2009thanks for the response.
i respect every opinion here, but one thing i want to say is, nowa... morehey man.
I've no problem with korean brands or asian brands for that matter.
my last E52 that died was korean. this one is still korean.
I'm just stating the facts.
I'm not being biased with any manufacturing location.
try it out yourself and see how long china made products last.
we deal with steel cables for shipment.
china steel lasts for a couple of months, Japanese steel lasts 3 years.
we only get china one's if jap steel is unavailable, it's pretty much band aid to your wound until you get proper treatment.
As you can see, and as we have decades of experience dealing with shipment or servicing electronic products, China still produces inferior products.
once again, nothing against Asian products, just basing an observation off from experience.
Like I've always stated here, my posts are just to help other purchasers of E52 to base it off from details and not just assumptions.
That's why I'm giving as much info, real life as well as theoretical tests so they can make intelligent purchases.
If you want to buy china made phones by all means buy one. It's your money. I'm just trying to help out.
trf, 19 Sep 2009to make an earning in 3rd world countries you have to buy cheaper products.
Instead of buyi... morethanks for the response.
i respect every opinion here, but one thing i want to say is, nowadays asian handset-maker technology are equal to european or american handset-made. Look at the biggest name in handset player... Samsung, HTC, SE (half asian), LG... etc.
They produce mainly in asian (mostly china), using asian-made chips (maybe just like nokia china-made), using asian labor (just like nokia china-made) and they show the world how great their handset is. (HTC is the best example).
and FYI, E52 are manufactured in Korea not China. So its just not fair to blame China made nokia for ur problems in E52. But still i believe Korean made Nokias or China made Nokias produced with Nokia QC, then it would be the same as european/american Nokia.
Look at the most expensive nokias, 8800 gold-arte, it is korean made.
I try to be as objective as possible, dont mean to over-proud as asian, but its just the fact. I still choose NOKIA (european) over asian brand handset. Frankly speaking, i want to change to HTC, they produce superb phone, but too bad their product always come with average camera and no symbian. So i still keep nokia.
Have a great day.
luv E52 btw, and wait till they have more reliable OS.
ur troubled E52 is korean made ones? and the replacement they gave also korean or european made?
did you try the e52 GPS? good or poor signal? fast or slow?
to make an earning in 3rd world countries you have to buy cheaper products.
Instead of buying $5 materials you buy $1 to make some money since 3rd world countries are paid a fraction of what they get if its US or European based.
Oh and I mean the OS in terms of Microsoft and Apple.
for the Hardware, Apple still has to deal with the likes of HP, Dell and Toshiba.
In the US the iPhone is still struggling against RIM.
as you can see the OS 3.1 of the iPhone is problem ridden and there's only several million iPhones world wide. this is software based.
They're already encountering bugs and issues and they've only been around for a couple of years.
Hardware wise, did you see how easily these things can be scratched or broken when dropped?
And the iMac, it's just a big Laptop that you can't close.
I'm not busting on Apple, they produce nice-looking products, but quality? seriously...
RBa, 19 Sep 2009I wonder what's all the fuss about these "European makes are of better quality than Chinese ma... morepeople don't actually complain about apple products because ALL of them ARE "made from China".
so you can't say that your iPhone is better than this iPhone cuz all of them came from the same source.
and yeah, chinese based products are not to be trusted much yet because of the quality they tend to output.
yes, they produce lower quality chips and yes chances are there are more defects you'll find there.
Apple has only produced a small percentage of products compared to nokias.
even in the desktop arena they've only produced a fraction of what Microsoft has outputted.
the more you produce, chances are there will be more defective products showing up based on an acceptable error percentage.
checkout six sigma.
My only concern is you can't use apple as a base comparison since they only control a very very small part of the market.
Apple is just in the news these days. nothing more. nothing less.
Nokia controls about 60% market share worldwide while Apple only has 10%.
Microsoft holds 93% while Apple holds 5%.
Oh and yes we also have iPhones and Macs.
I have bought Nokia E52
It is very beutyful, but it is aviable for Girl than for Men.
I wonder what's all the fuss about these "European makes are of better quality than Chinese made Nokia phones" issue. While I do agree that Chinese products are not that credible in terms of quality, anyone who knows Nokia very well would understand that they produce high-quality products, though there are issues at times.
OJ, I respect your statement too as I do believe that we should only tell based on experiences and some facts discovered by ourselves. I can't blame anyone losing trust on Chinese products. Because China has always created "CLONE" products. In fact, if you're living in the Philippines just as I do, it's impossible for you not to find CLONES of Nokia phones, unless you are living in a cave. And all these clones come from one source, CHINA. Still, when a high-profile company produces phones in China, I don't think there is a reason for them to create inferior products. Even Apple produces products from China yet I haven't found someone saying that his IPhone is of inferior quality than the others. The reason why people behave this way is simple, it's because of the "Made in China" label. If only Nokia will remove that country's point-of-origin mark on its models, I bet all origin prejudice will be gone.
As what Nokia Lover from Jakarta said, cheaper production cost doesn't mean that the quality is also degraded. However, cheaper production costs is just possible to be done on a low cost labor as its IMPOSSIBLE for Nokia to use cheaper hardware on Chinese original Nokias than on European makes. That practice will obviously ruin their reputation especially seeing the huge smartphone market share they have in China.