Yes I've read the lengthy post. I am currently using two phones, E71 and Acer Android (with 2.1). The first few weeks with Android, I felt like I can do just about anything, just about install zillion apps. But once initial rush faded, I realized all I ever need in a phone is being able to get emails and be able to write messages. And by another week, I realized having to recharge Android twice a day is nusciance. I also realized I don't need razzle-n-dazzle HTML email view, html view is nice to have but I can live with text view. Even after getting explosed to Android, iPhone's way of net connectivity, I still kept liking nokia's (cumbersome to some) way of connecting to net (like you can force some app to use wifi, some to use cellular net, and two apps can simultaneoulsy use wifi and cellular net). Well my fingers are crossed for new Symbain ^ 3 that Nokia has kept its legacy style intact. This is what makes it different from other OSes. Yes Nokia should compete with other OSes but I just wanted to all of you to know that there are still some people who likes Nokia's way of doing things.
ShameOnNokia, 02 Oct 2010LOL I've already made several comments about the N8 a while back. Once the phone is released w... moreCome on sh..head... not long ago you were playing Snake on 3310, or Tetris on Zx Spectrum and now is all about screen resolution, 600 mhz or 1 ghz.... you're funny. Galaxy S, N8, Iphone4... avarage user can't even turn one on or don't give a shit about what processor is using... THEY USE IT FOR STUPIT FARTING APPS or something like that :)
Its not awesome phone u guys... Forget the resolution thingy mann... Its loaded with tons of features.... Its an innovation product from Nokia.. Cheers to the Nokia team..:)
with secondary camera? with wifi? this is very good, we can use our free Fring video calling feature
What will happen if the flex develops a problem shortly after purchase?
ShameOnNokia, 02 Oct 2010Actually I can admit some things symbian has done right, they made it alot easier to tether da... moreYou do have a good point about the fact that the hardware cannot be just good enough. Apps will surely become more hardware intensive over time as developers build more sophisticated apps to compete with other apps. I think it's just human nature to want a device that is not only functional, but cool also. That will drive apps to be more hardware intensive. It's hard to know what exactly what apps will be like months or years later. Most likely, it they will use more hardware resources than apps now. If the hardware is just good enough now, it may not be good enough in a year.
Very few will edit office documents on their phone because today the small Netbooks are so much better. My Samsung N210 has a betterylife that is much, very very much, better than on any phone.
N8 will be useless for office editing because the onscreen qwerty-keyboard covers most of the screens already few pixels 360 x 640.
hayato, 02 Oct 2010I will credit your comments if it were from a first hand experience. But since e7 is not even ... more"symbian can do even more"?, Symbian can not even handle a resolution greater than 360 x 640 pixels and on a 4 inces screen that low resolution is definetly ugly, so how can less be more if not only in the blind eyes of a Nokia-fan or Nokia-employee?
hayato, 02 Oct 2010I will credit your comments if it were from a first hand experience. But since e7 is not even ... moreHTC Desire Z is a far better choice than E7. HTC Desire Z is the same as G2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5UKl5z0Os
USB "on-the-go" is just z marketing gimmick from Nokia so that they can say that they have invented something new and unique even thogh completely useless/pointless.
I am least interested in NOKIA for 1 reason... That crap SYMBIAN OS that they use for all fones!!!! Tired of this OS.. they need to cut contract with symbian & learn how to from Samsung, SE, HTC & LG... Good designs & all crap in it!! Tooo much..
Anonymous, 01 Oct 2010Don't bother with the trolls. In fact, I think those Nokia haters are only few in numbers, bu... moreThat's right, I got a pixon 12 for 287 that's the only reason I bought it. I will buy Nokia and Sony Ericsson at any price but not samsung, I'd rather get it free than buy it!
hayato, 02 Oct 2010I will credit your comments if it were from a first hand experience. But since e7 is not even ... moreActually I can admit some things symbian has done right, they made it alot easier to tether data before android and iOS tether(android tether is actually quite easy now, just download an app). Symbian push email was also pretty good(Nokia Messaging, not the one that came natively on the E71). I enjoyed it while I was using my E71. I won't deny credit where credit is due, however I see no innovations and I merely commented on specs. Remember the others were to attack me first, based on my belief about nokia's hardware, case in point user by the name of Samsung Stop Trolling, who referred to me as an "i.diot" because he wouldn't come up with anything to refute my comments.
You say bioseen is all about connecting the average users and getting them involved, theres already applications available for doing such things as connecting other individuals and sharing photos. Its called twitter, blogging, myspace, facebook. Your choice, your pick. So Bioseen again, is pretty much another useless thing Symbian is trying to come up with to attract users. In fact its quite contradicting, as it will make users want symbian less. Why not market facebook natively? Since facebook is THE MOST widely used social networking platforms.
You say symbian has had amazing photo editors in the past, then why a new concept for a new one? Why not improve on the old one? Again this is the thing that is going against Nokia and Symbian, they're too diverse. Like i said, professionals wouldn't want to be using a 4" low resolution screen to edit pictures, and those novices and non professionals most likely are fine with the current photo editing that's already out. Nothing new and innovative that iOS, especially since theres Adobe photoshop express for both.
Once again i'm not saying that these apps are useless, i'm saying they're pointless. There are already tons of applications like this on android and iOS. Symbian's problem is they didn't put an effort into trying to lure developers when they had no competition at all.
You say its the Phone over all and not just the OS, and that's what i've been getting at. I never said Symbian wasn't a fully capable OS. I said however that Nokia's refusal to actually release a device with more than "enough" hardware is what limits it. As any platform grows developers will also improve on their applications being made, when this happens more hardware will be needed to fully take advantage of it. Look at the Google G1, its processor and RAM was adequate at time of release, however as interest in android increased, so did the requirements for the hardware. The E7/N8 cost around $660 USD after converting from euros. For the same price, I can get a phone with more than enough hardware in the event that I need more hardware.
hayato, 02 Oct 2010I will credit your comments if it were from a first hand experience. But since e7 is not even ... morethis comment was delayed, haha. Took me abt 20-30 minutes to compose. I'm not good, and definitely slow in english
ShameOnNokia, 02 Oct 2010I apologize if it came as if i meant you are fanboy. That post condensed in a reply to both yo... moreOk i understand.
You know, i imagined my phone to be a usb host long time ago. If i have files on my flash drive, i can view it on my phone without taking my laptop out my backpack. While on bus, while on jeepney ride, train ride. And then tadaa! USB OTG comes. I think it was particularly made for me. :)
ShameOnNokia, 01 Oct 2010I'm here because this is a public comments page? Some people come here hoping to get opinions ... moreI will credit your comments if it were from a first hand experience. But since e7 is not even released yet, it's quite impossible right?
If you're just talking about the specs, i already know that. The processor, the screen, i don't need someone to talk about it over and over again.
I came here, for one reason, because i'm interested in the product (i'm currently in a dilemma of what to choose, wave-for smoothness and samoled, n8-for camera, looks and usb otg, e7-for free doc editor and lots of premium apps, cbd and usb otg or desire hd-for watching movies on pocket but too expensive). And to see the latest developments happening, but everytime i came here, instead of knowing real results and proper discussion(currently, the wave forum is only of use for me), all i see is you, named ShameOnNokia. The name you call yourself tells what things you will say. I can't even imagine you admitting symbian has done something right. Maybe put some tests results or like that so you may appear to really helping everyone avoid a soon-to-fail product rather than just disliking.
About bioseen, it's target market are not professionals. It's for everyone else. It's doesn't necessary need to have a species sighting but any picture about the environment would do. You certainly miss the fact that i said it makes even an ordinary people involved.
I'm sorry, but symbian has amazing photo editors long ago. Zensis' photorite to name one. The mobile photoshop is somewhere in between the already available photoeditors and the native photoshop application on pc.
Please don't rely too much on the info i'm saying. I must admit that i have difficulty in speaking english and sometimes i can't ellaborate myself too much because of my limitations. I mean, if you can use your imagination in imagining what a fanboy is like, why not use it too in imagining the usability of the apps i'm talking about?
I don't doubt android fyi. But as a man who can fully utilize symbian, its hard to see people saying it can't do some things other OS can. I do believe symbian can do even more. I'm also open to both android and symbian but it's me weighing all the things i prioritise the most that helps me decide in the first place. So it's not just the OS. It's the phone overall.
[deleted post]I apologize if it came as if i meant you are fanboy. That post condensed in a reply to both you and another poster. It was meant to generalize how the typical fanboy would view that comment. I concede that you are a pretty informed poster. You've made a couple of points while trying to prove the worth of Symbian as an OS.
You say that USB OTG is what you need and that it comes with a cable adapter allowing you to connect to USB flash drives. Now this is where I fail to see your argument. You're telling me you need to carry around a cable to connect to a USB flash drive that you will also be carrying. That is highly inefficient. If that were the case why not just leave the flash drive at home, leave that cable adapter at home and just carry a normal USB cable? That way you can use the phone as an actual portable drive? Then again every other phone besides iphone is cable of doing that. I do it on my android phones. Unless the N8 comes with an incredibly slow flash chips and just transferring files between devices and your phone is pointless, I fail to see how OTG is a great innovative feature of nokia devices. If you're gonna be bringing your USB drive then it most likely mean you'll be connecting to other devices such as a PC fairly frequently is it not? So why not just leave the USB drive at home along with OTG adapter and just carry a regular USB cable? I fail to see how you need it, maybe its just me? You gotten by fine without USB OTG, and all of a sudden you "need" it?
ShameOnNokia, 01 Oct 2010Really? you're gonna go by a post made by someone on GSM arena comment section about a phone t... morewheeze is from finland. He preordered the n8, and the factory is just a few miles away from him.
ShameOnNokia, 01 Oct 2010Yes I'm a college student as well. Graduate school and i do carry around a USB flash drive. so... moreIt has a cable adapter i guess. The other end of the cable serves as a slot for flash drives and anything that can be connected to a USB port.
I guess you don't really need it. But i do. I don't know what's hard to understand about that. You can't call it useless, it can even save your life. Lol