Jishnujith, 07 Jun 2013i see a fun argument going on here. being an android user and developer with xda(droidauthorit... moreWhat i will also like to say is that you proved my point that in order to have android run smoothly you need to have better hardware i.e more RAM and more powerful CPU.
Windows phone does not have a problem with page swapping like android. The last version windows phone 7 some device had less the 512MB of RAM and single core processor that ran at 800mhz, and yet it was still pretty smooth and had almost no lag. I dont know about windows phone 8 with this issue since there aren't any new devices that have very little resources.
Jishnujith, 07 Jun 2013Sorry i made a small typo in the end...what i meant was *******please do not buy a nokia phone... moreThank you for the thorough explanation I Feel that everything you said is true. The only thing i would like to add is that yes windows is restrictive but the provide a well rounded user experience out of the box. And in coming updates it will be more customizable.
You cannot ignore that from the current revisions of the OS's Microsoft's windows phone is still the youngest out of them,i know that there where other windows modile os's. When them first made windows phone os it had very little ties with the older windows mobile os. From the new kernel that they started with windows phone os, that originally started
a little more than three years ago. Android is 7, Iphone is 6.They do have more maturity as well. It will be very exciting to see what these os's will turn into. My point is that while you can root the iphone and android you shouldn't have to in order to have a rich a customizable experience and hopefully windows phone being the less mature operating system will incorporate more and more custmizable features.
On another note the only reason you need antivirus for a phone is because there are viruses.That is because google has a very relaxed app checking process.
Nice conversing with every one and hope everyone dosent get confused because of these posts.
IT STILL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR PREFERENCES ARE, AND YOUR USES FOR THE PHONE PLEASE CHOOSE WISELY FOR YOUR NEEDS AND DONT LET ANYWAY PERSUADE YOU OTHER WISE.
DONT BE AFRAID TO TRY ANY OF THE OSES YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU MAY FIND USEFUL.
sasi, 05 Jun 2013may be you haven't used proper android smart phones yet...even my low end LG optimus L9 has ov... moreU r right. I have been using android for a while now. And I will not by any means in the near future switch to Windows. Android rocks!!
It is my first Windows phones. Previously i had used only Android phones like Samsung Galaxy S2, S3 and Sony Ericsson Xperia Play. I really like the UI in my Nokia Lumia 928. It's buttery smooth and fluid, attractive too. No lags or glitches while scrolling through the UI, opening an application or anything. UI is very user friendly and easy to use. They colorful tiles are wow. UI is far more better than Android UI, whether it is Touchwiz or HTC sense in terms of smoothness and fluidity. This is simply awesome. The camera quality is really far more better than my Nikon camera and many other phones. I don't think there's any Android devices that can beat this phone in terms of camera quality. It's amazing. Low light photography is really impressive. Far better than what i have seen on my Galaxy S3 and S2. I can confirm that the camera quality will outsmart Galaxy S4 camera quality. Screen quality, sound output via speakers and earphones is so clear. You'll just love it. It doesn't have many apps but has enough. Most of the apps are very useful. Battery backup is also great. I get two days of battery backup on average usage. Really a good phone from Nokia. Love this phone :)
Sorry i made a small typo in the end...what i meant was *******please do not buy a nokia phone just for the sake of having a good camera******because samsung did make a giant leap forward in the camera segment with the S3 and then with the S4 and so did HTC with their flagships, and now it seems the Nexus 5 will have a nikon camera(speculation). in the coming years the mobile phone OS industry will turn into a real battle ground.cheers ;-)
spartanlegends, 07 Jun 2013Lets get this straight i never intended to make anyone feel like there opinion was wrong i was... morei see a fun argument going on here. being an android user and developer with xda(droidauthority is my user id at xda and i currently work on improving cynogen nexus4 roms and i have developed a few playstore apps like one that does call whitelisting(opposite of blacklisting) and blacklisting app-@Sasi, i have revealed my identity, you may verify), i wish to make a few points here. none of these points are meant to hurt anyone or show off. i only wish to clear some confusion that may come into the mind of a reader who might come across some of the posts here.
1. There was a time when Android was a horrible OS once you installed a few apps. But android has come a long way from there. And people shouldn't really worry about android being slow. It is disappointing to see people still cling onto that point to speak against Android. What most people dont understand is that the number of background processes can be controlled on most stock ROMs under developer options in the settings(and free up your ram). The reason why some of the older android devices lets say with 256 or 384mbs of RAM were slow was because of frequent swapping needed, but these days you get decent capacity RAMs even on devices priced lower than the entry level windows phones. in the earlier versions of android. closing apps was a nightmare. but from ICS onward, google have come up with a simple way to close apps, thus freeing up more RAM once you've done using the app.
2. Application development-wise i personally think windows and android are both great. I have not developed windows apps myself, but it is as easy(if not easier) than developing android apps. the ADK too is great along with eclipse, but to a beginner it might take 2 or 3 weeks to get used to java if you are used to programming in c.there are loads of built in packages in java which you can use to make your job easier.
3. Applications:- there is no argument here i believe, as we all know that android is clearly ahead of windows in this department. i do think that you tend to find more "interesting" apps in the play store than you would find even for a PC that run on windows. and this is a very personal opinion from my side, i dont think the XBOX thing you get with the windows phone is anything to brag about. the office integration certainly is a great plus. but this sounds great to only a windows mobile user, because android has a huge range of office suits in the play store, both free and paid. the lack of hd resolution is an issue with windows as far as atleast a few people are concern, which might soon be solved though.windows does have a very fluid and refreshing feel to the UI. it makes you happy everytime you use it. i personally love the widgets so much that i used a windows 8 laucher for a few days when i had an S2.
A thing that made windows phones a repulsive option in the past was the lack of bluetooth file transfer. but that isn't an issue now. so that gives a buyer one more good reason to buy windows 8 powered devices. windows 8 powered nokia phones are a good option for people who really are not too much into mobile phone and are interested only in using it. this is pretty much the case with windows and linux users and which is why most linux users call windows users "dumb"(again there i mean nothing offensive here), as they rarely know what happens behind the scene within the computer. they rarely have any idea about the true potential of the device in front of them. Linux on the other hand leaves you with the option of using the terminal to do things and there by getting into the heart of things(ubuntu\m/)...as windows for PCs evolved through the ages it has become more and restrictive, and has denied the user a lot permissions.I myself was a windows user(i despised linux-i felt linux was too complicated unnecessarily)uptil 2006 when i visited a free software workshop at my school and they gave me a free ubuntu cd :-). that is how it all started for me. ever since, i have remained loyal to free software foundation. and so obviously i became an android. my 1st mobile phone was powered by linux(the motoming, which someone gifted me). later on when google acquired android and android devices started to hit the markets i was gifted an android by my cousin. the original Samsung Galaxy which ran on android donut. i loved it then, though it wasn't a great phone when i look back now. then i got tired of the phone and bought myself the Samsung Nexus S. and then the S2 and now the Nexus 4. i was there with google in their journey from donut(i haven't tasted cupcake ;-)) to jellybean and i will be there with google when keylimepie comes out for the nexus 4. It was a wonderful journey and i've learned a lot along the way. google has been able to come up with a lot of different ideasand improvements to make android more and more attractive and one has to say that all their hard work has paid off. Android is a quality user experience now.
one thing that makes android more attractive is the sheer variety of android devices out there, they come in all sizes and all shapes, even on watches these days, it seems. which makes it clear why android is considered a good OS, it's versatility and scalablity as an OS make it an amazing piece of software for developers. being an open source OS, it makes it easy for anyone to take the kernal and build an OS around it. though it was android and ios that really started off the war, windows has joined in. windows had the added advantage of having a partner like nokia(a firm i believe makes some of the best quality cellphones). and here i do believe windows has really benefited a lot from its venture with nokia. if we compare the number of nokia-windows devices sold to the number windows powered devices by other manufacturers, this fact will be a ver clear. nokia's great hardware has helped the sales of windows phones a lot.a person who knows nothing about cellphones, and wishes to buy an expensive mobile phone tends to buy a nokia mobile phone(which will usually be a windows mobile phone since the windows UI is a very attractive one). people rarely care about the features of the OS as long as the phone has a good camera and the nokia name badge(which i am not saying is bad; but it is fact). what phone you buy and why you buy them are your own problem. for example i bought myself the nexus 4 knowing that it doesn't have the best camera or screen quality in the world because i bought my phone for app and rom development as my primary purpose. Also nexus devices usually get all sort of custom roms from around the world and nexus phones are the 1st devices are always the 1st to receive updates. when nexus 5 comes out i might buy nexus 5(if i have the money to buy it that is). someone else could say i was stupid to buy a phone without a good camera and screen and i should have bought a nokia pure view 808 because it has a better camera and is less expensive. friends, it is purpose driven not just the about the specs. if you are a person who reads a lot, you should buy a phone with a big screen not one with a good camera or a quad core phone that runs the latest HD games.it is completely personal. this is where android beats windows completely. "THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE"...the variety of android devices out there. you can get a 2.8 inch phone or a 6.3 inch phone. you can buy one with a good camera or one that performs the best. or you can buy one that does all of that. you can buy one that looks good or one that looks bad but performs well.you are not restricted to one or 2 or 3 manufacturers. i intend to end this huge comment with a simple request, please do not pick out little slips of the tongue from this comment and start off a campaign against me as that is what i usually see on forums(except on our XDA forum\m/ :-D; sometimes) and buy a windows phone or an android depending on your need, that is...as of now if you what you need is a practical phone with simple yet fun and colorful(;-)) user experience and enough features to keep you moving along with the technological world buy the windows phone(buy a nokia windows phone that is :-D). but if what you need is a lot of customization(you like changing things on your phone every now and then, that is), loads of apps, and may be someday you aspire to become a developer. then look no furthur go for an android. i will tell you one more thing, please dont buy a nokia windows mobile phone because samsung did make a giant leap forward in the camera segment with the S3 and then with the S4 and so did HTC with their flagships, now it seems the Nexus 5 will have a nikon camera(speculation). in the coming years the mobile phone OS industry will turn into a real battle ground.cheers ;-)
spartanlegends, 07 Jun 2013Lets get this straight i never intended to make anyone feel like there opinion was wrong i was... moreif you were a developer you would have know abou the money a dev needs pay apple to get the licence...everyone says he's a dev when he doesn't need to reveal his identity...can you name an app you have developed and is there in the market place???...or the app store of apple???...or play store atleast...
sasi, 05 Jun 2013may be you haven't used proper android smart phones yet...even my low end LG optimus L9 has ov... moreLets get this straight i never intended to make anyone feel like there opinion was wrong i was merely stating that if windows phone came first it would be a different ball game because of xbox live integration and office suit built in. I am a software developer and have developed on all three major os's i seen the benefits and downfalls in all the os's. Android is a versatile os and can be very useful for people with alot of computer knowledge i have used it on many devices and without beefy hardware androids user interface does lag. Although all of the lag sometimes.
Android has the worst amount of lag. I understand that everyone has there reasons for wanting a manipulable device. But i dont want to have to manipulate it to make it work. By the Way if you read the reviews on verizon wireless for the 928 alot of people have switched to the phone being android users for a long time.
I respect your opinion Sasi.
Iphone on the other hand is more restrictive that windows phone os. And it has intrusive way of multitasking which i hate and most restrictive approval system for apps.
Steps to get an app tested on an iphone.
1. Download dev certificate
2. generate certificate for you computer.
3. Generate certificate for your device.
4. link each certificatet through your apple developer id together.
I Like all three OSes.
sasi, 05 Jun 2013may be you haven't used proper android smart phones yet...even my low end LG optimus L9 has ov... moreIf you disregard third party apps windows phone provides a more complete package out of the box.
sasi, 05 Jun 2013may be you haven't used proper android smart phones yet...even my low end LG optimus L9 has ov... moreSasi Dont confuse the windows phone os woth windows Mobile they are completely different kernels and interfaces. They rebuilt it entirely so as being a fresh build of the operating system it is only 3 years old so it is still not mature. And if i Recall correctly iphone and android didnt have that many apps for the first couple of years either. Microsoft provides very good tools for development that are stable and reliable. Android not so much.
And dont forget also Android is based on linux and linux already has functionality as well so whats androids excuse for not being better and more stable. They are only marginally better than windows phone and
whats the difference anyway i never said i didnt like android i just prefer the built in pc and xbox integration with windows phone and dont forget also it has a full productive office suit built in for free on
NOKIA LUMIA 928 black as of 6/6/2013 is 11th on amazon's best sellers list for smartphones. YEA GO NOKIA
zzzzzzzzzz, 06 Jun 2013Nt every android user roots his/her phone, dude..you dont need to root an android device to install a 150 apps on even a low end device like say the galaxy s or desire s-and they costs just around 10-12k(or less)...i just said that if you want to do more as a mobile phone enthusiast and get more things that what the OEM wants you to do...there is always the option of rooting the device...it is sad that people dont understand the benefits of spending 10 minues for rooting(even after the warranty period or when they have no warranty even otherwise)...you can of course make you phone faster and free up more internal memory..to add that you can boost your battery performance...improve security to the level no other devices can let you...connect a wide array of hardware like mouse keyboard even if the OEM doesn't provide it with the stock rom(provided you have hardware suppor and device drivers)...what google has done with android is that...they have opened avenues for smaller device manufacturers to try and establish a name..one such firm is Micromax(currenty india's largest manufacturer and 12 or 13th largest in the world), which you could say is doing better than nokia(if you talk about the sort of growth the firm is having that is)...and they've even started making television sets...may be nokia has its own reasons for not creating an android device...but if nokia were to make andoid devices...it would really give samsung a run for its money with the sort of customer trust the brandname "nokia" has...keeping aside all the business stuff..i would say nokia is being very dumb by not making an android device...but again...business is business...again i say this...windows is a great OS...but at the moments and probably anytime in the near future windows cannot compete with android for even a tiny bit of its market share...
nokia 808 camera has no replacement its awsome, everything is given in each and every phone but camera is most important
n8 & 808 is the very best ph0ne that n0kia has. So, Symbian is much better than Windows.
Aneesh, 05 Jun 2013This is just to reply to all complains I have been hearing. 1. Why no Android phone. two rea... moremay be you haven't used proper android smart phones yet...even my low end LG optimus L9 has over a 100 apps(including anti virus/optimization apps(that are always active) and games)...and it works perfectly fine...please do not pass on information that you have no idea about and confuse people into thinking what you are saying is right...nokia and windows have a good thing going on between them...nokia does not wish to ruin the relation with MS and so nokia haven't officially said anything about releasing an android phone under its brandname...but nokia is helping vertu(its old luxury phone making subsidiary) make luxury android phones...and never compare an open source OS like Android with windows...once rooted or once the bootloader is unlocked android becomes a very different thing(provided you have enough common sense to do the right things there after)...and MR. @spartanlegends windows for mobile devices has been there right from the 90s in case you didn't know...may be windows for mobile phones is a relatively young OS...windows has been around for a while now...so please do not say MS has not had enough time to make it better...it has had more time to evolve than android...and it is because of MS's uncompetitiveness to promote devs to develop apps for windows that windows does not have as many devs as android does...Google was able to give good support for developing apps(provided, one has good XML knowledge) and a free platform...the paly store has waaay more free apps unlike the windows market place...i would never say windows is a bad OS...windows is great as long as all you wish to do is what the manufacturer wants you to do...but if you wish to do more than what the manufacturer wants you to do...if you wish to change things to suit your ways...then there isn't a better OS than Android...once you root your android...there is very little you cannot do with you phone or tab...and saying that an OS is fast but it has few apps is like saying..."my car can go at 500kmph but i dont have tires"...the reason why nokia windows phone sales have gone up is not because of the Windows OS...but because of Nokia's brandvalue and the sort of hardware like the carl zies lens and the sensors used in the cameras...no doubt the cameras on nokia phones are among the best in the business...but then a smart phone is not just about the camera...very few people who have used android properly would ever switch to windows...i wouldn't buy a windows phone anytime soon unless widows becomes less restrictive...and windows phone sales have not really affected the android phone sales...it has rather affected rim and iphones...
This is just to reply to all complains I have been hearing.
1. Why no Android phone.
two reasons, One its hard to differentiate yourself in market. HTC makes really good phones but is struggling to make profit. Phones are too similar and in the end it comes down to brand value and cost of phone.
If Nokia try a two pronged approach with windows and android, costs will increase (with no guarentee of returns) and second they will loose the edge they have over other windows OEMs. (80% of win phones are from Nokia). Microsoft does favor them by giving them an exclusive store and better support.
2. Nokia cannot launch a quad core phone as Windows8 currently supports only Dual core. Same with screen resolution, windows onlt supports WXGA and not 1020 p yet so they have put the best screent they can. Quad core & 1080p support are expected to come by October this year. All they can do is put a 2 GB RAM which is worthless again as Windows doesnt true multitask, it just holds background apps in a faster Flash memory.
Just to explain difference in Android several apps keep running in background, in windows however very few have background running preveleges. Therefore high RAM simply adds cost and no value.
Finally, the Win OS does lack apps but its unbelievably fast, fluid and beautiful!! Unlike android, it never suffers from lag. I have a 720 and have 71 Apps and 32 games! I dont think any android phones works properly once you have 50 apps on it!
Morover facebook, twitter integration is fabulous!! and Xbox adds a new dimension to games! Try out a demo piece you will love it.