Gary, 08 Oct 2010You may want to see this... http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/smartphone-os-mar... morei guess i was the only one to notice gary referring to US as the world with this post. just to let you know gary, this graph is showing the OS for US not the world.......
By CHRISTOPHER LAWTON
Nokia Corp. is using a key mobile technology conference in San Francisco this week to ramp up efforts to win over more developers to its Ovi mobile application store, a critical linchpin in its quest to wrest U.S. market share from bigger rivals Apple Inc. and Google Inc.
At the CTIA Enterprise & Applications show in San Francisco, which wraps up Friday, Nokia executives have been aggressively wooing application developers in meetings and pitching its smartphone platform in presentations, company officials say.
The moves are part of a broader scramble to catch up to rivals in the U.S. by luring more U.S. consumers to its smartphones with a wider and more innovative array of applications. Nokia's share of the U.S. smartphone market is just 2.8% in the first quarter, a fraction of the Apple iPhone's 20.2% and the 26.9% share for smartphones using Google Inc.'s Android operating system software, according to data from IDC, a market research firm.
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Nokia's Ovi mobile-app store is playing catch up with Apple and Google. Above, a customer makes a purchase from Ovi's portal on a Nokia N8.
The Finnish company faces an uphill battle in recruiting developers in the U.S. Creating apps for different platforms often requires learning a new programming language. To make a return on investment, developers say they must focus on the platforms that provide the most access to users and revenue. In many cases, that means Apple's App Store and Google's Android Market come first. The App Store hosted some 225,000 applications compared to Nokia's 6,900 in the second quarter, according to VisionMobile, a market research firm.
For Nokia, it's a vicious cycle. The company needs U.S. developers to write applications for its Ovi store to help boost sales of its latest handsets. But without boosting sales in the U.S., analysts say it will continue to struggle to convince developers to jump on board.
"When they have such a low market share, there is no point for a developer to invest time and money to develop an app to the Ovi store," Francisco Jeronimo, an analyst with IDC, says.
Nokia's efforts to attract U.S. developers also underscore a big shift in the mobile handset market. Since the launch of the iPhone in 2007, the choice of applications has become the biggest selling point for many consumers in smartphone shopping. To get the most innovative and buzzed-about applications on their phones, manufacturers and carriers now pour their efforts into increasing their base of installed devices and court developers to write software applications to run on them.
Nokia promoted Purnima Kochikar to vice president of Forum Nokia, the company's global network that supports developers, a year ago in part to help expand its developer network. Ms. Kochikar says that while her job isn't made any easier by Nokia's small U.S. market share, it still sells more smartphones than the competition across more than 160 countries. So Nokia is making the case that it has local knowledge of large markets such as China and India, and can help developers create new business models around their applications.
"Right now the perception doesn't match where we are," she says. "That is part of my job, to make [developers] understand what we can bring to the table."
Over the past 18 months, Nokia has reduced the number of phone models it sells, she said, an effort to respond to developers' complaints that Nokia had too many phones on too many different software platforms. At Nokia World in London last month, the company introduced a new family of smartphones all running on the company's updated Symbian platform on similar hardware, which helps reduce complexity.
At the same time, Nokia has introduced new tools that help developers work across all versions of software running on its devices, including the high-end MeeGo operating system expected to launch next year.
In courting some developers, Nokia also has waived access fees for the Ovi store and supplied development help and business managers to help software writers customize their applications for Nokia.
Since joining Nokia, Ms. Kochikar has brought in people specialized in designing mobile games, because gaming is a popular application in the U.S. Ms. Kochikar also brought in a brand-and-marketing expert to help improve Nokia's brand reputation among developers.
Nokia has so far found some success. Of the more than 3.3 million developers who create applications for Nokia, 155,000 are U.S based, including big names such as Electronic Arts Inc., Facebook Inc. and PopCap Games Inc.
Still Nokia faces head winds in its effort to turn its market share losses into gains. The company, which recently hired former Microsoft executive Stephen Elop as CEO to help turn the tide, has seen many of its top rank and file desert the company. Ari Jaaksi, head of MeeGo at Nokia, left earlier this week for "personal reasons," the company said.
In the past few weeks, both Sony-Ericsson Mobile Communications AB and Samsung Electronics Co. have distanced themselves from Symbian, focusing instead on Android and other software platforms.
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[deleted post]Lol symbian will not offer any new firmwares even the latest firmware of 5800 is not worth mentioning, however individuals like pnht ported c6 firmware to 5800 and made the phone better, while nokia did not even bother to show 5800 customers their love. This will also be the case with n8, tomorrow though symbian 4 will be compatible with this phone they will not upgrade this phone. They will forget about you n8 guys pretty soon. Shame upon nokia. They can easily offer 5800 and n97 customers who brought their phone the latest video and music player as a free upgrade but they won't do so. Today we are suffering tomorrow you guys with n8 will suffer.
Gary, 08 Oct 2010The Galaxy S? It does not lag. See the reviews. I am not only talking about the Galaxy S. I me... moregary..dont lie..i am galaxy s owner..n my phone hangs a lot..simple go to google n type galaxy s lags..u will get many fixes but nothing works..u cant fool people
Guys,i don't hav 3G/2G/WiFi available,so i am mostly depended on EDGE for internet browsing. So will EDGE-class 33 be better than class 10,or are they similar. I am from Bangladesh.
djv, 08 Oct 2010can anybdy tell me the exact release date of nokia n8 in india,,,,,and does it supports games ... moreBuddy if u have pre ordered than you will get it by 15th otherwise you will get it after 22... India
hi guys , i like nokia n8 too much but i just have some comments on it and i like 2 hear ur comments about it. first of all the camera lens is uncovered and i just find it little wired that there is no key pad and no writting recognition. also did we really need all that 12 pixls cam on the expense of the relativly low resolution of the screen- 40 percent lower than super armold in sam. and 30 percent than that of apple i phone 4- what do u think guys?
Gary, 08 Oct 2010For all those Nokia lovers...
Nokia is not a good brand to say everything in a nutshell. And ... moreSorry Gary. I had to cut that post abit shotter due to me hitting roadblocks with my long posts.
Let me continue then. The other aspect that i wanted to say was, what deems a company as 'world class'. Is it in their six sigma certification alone. So this would be the clincher for your move to something that works failure free but pathetically at that. There are numerous other aspects that deem that and maybe take a look at it. There are the likes of ISO certification, OHS, CCP's etc just to name a few. Let me explain this if one may not know. These take care of not just quality, workmanship and work ethic but ensures that the consumer forms part of your awareness and protecting the consumer from defective products, doing QC at source and ensuring that the environment is of utmost priority to ensure sustainability would be also very important for the big companies. Google on this dont care about those aspects. They develop software, thats it. It is for companies to consider those aspects, even if the os causes the phone to explode, sorry we just manufacture the os, not the hardware. You see, nokia is unlike google, involved in everything. That is what makes a great company, finger on the pulse.
If nokia cared about themselves you think that would have not been a strategy to change their os much earlier? They didnt cos they thought of the consumer entirely, even to their demise in certain senses as well. The current strategy should have been adopted much earlier and hence the market and decline would have been a very different story altogether. What may that be you ask? Well it is rather simple. You see the management at nokia being old school dont like change specifically as 'if it works then' attitude and 'for the people' as well. The change was not on cos it was satisfying a need. But with advancement there needs to be change so that you remaim competitive and your advantage over others. Nokia realised that too late but all is not lost.
So what are they to do. Well to those that dont understand the existance of symbian ^3, well simply put like this. You see with change there needs to be buy in created. (read on kotter). Change can make you and brake you. Too drastic overhaul could lose customers too. This is why ^3 looks so much alike to the os. The new version has been modified substantially under the hood however. You just see certain new things. The os is now prepped for better things. Old school people would now buy in slowly with noticing and with just updates adding a few new aspects to the os. Call it what you may but that is agreta strategy and comes with maturity not bought overnight.
Nokia have done their homework. Drastic changes was needed for the better and hence was made. The new fresher os is ready but timing needs to be right and could prove critical. This should further cement nokias position in the market. Great strategy and it is coming without othera even knowing!! Declines in market shares are not always a negative thing. There may be something better brewing that you will reap rather quickly once implemented. Watch nokia!!
mac :-), 08 Oct 2010theres no issue here. just please stop comparing n8. one more thing get out of this comment se... moreHahaha. Its funny to see you guys ignoring reality and getting pissed off!! Yeah dopes! Its your money, waste it...
Gary, 08 Oct 2010For all those Nokia lovers... Nokia is not a good brand to say everything in a nutshell. And ... moreVery detailed! he.. he.. why wasting your time in N8 forum. you amaze me. The N8 is such a cool phone
Gary, 08 Oct 2010For all those Nokia lovers... Nokia is not a good brand to say everything in a nutshell. And ... moretheres no issue here. just please stop comparing n8. one more thing get out of this comment section for n8 review. go to your android review segment....you dont care if people want to buy n8 its not ur money anyway.
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2010iPhone isn't a smartphone? Where in the world are you living! Ummm, should I get something to ... moreThe definition of smartphone is subjective. It has nothing to do with location but with iq. For dumb faggots with iq in the same bracket as the average american the iphone might be a smartphone. But for the rest of us, its a stupidly overpriced feature phone. Whats really is the difference between ios and nokias s40? Tell me.
George, 08 Oct 2010@Gary
My my my do you even know what six sigma certifies..?? It certifies that you do what yo... morehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_sigma
I need not say anything more about the Six Sigma certification.
Mac, 08 Oct 2010Firstly, to the guy using my name, please either refrain from this or better yet, change it to... moreYa mac, I agree. Symbian was being continuously developed from many years. Android is a new-bee and they are trying to make it better. Let's not forget that even Symbian was not reliable and good until many years!
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2010The galaxy does lag and i know what i'm saying. There is a difference between 4days of fooling... moreiPhone isn't a smartphone? Where in the world are you living! Ummm, should I get something to read if you are free?
My my my do you even know what six sigma certifies..?? It certifies that you do what you say you are doing, the way you say you are doing it (in other words its just like checking your homework). So in this case Samsung and HTC and the others are just saying "Hey, we do all these pieces of useless things the way they are supposed to be done"... some statement.
Gary, 08 Oct 2010The Galaxy S? It does not lag. See the reviews. I am not only talking about the Galaxy S. I me... moreThe galaxy does lag and i know what i'm saying. There is a difference between 4days of fooling around with a device and actually using it. There is no smartphone that doesn't lag. All you have to do is push it. The iphone is no smartphone so it doesn't count.
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2010Let me add that an os can also lag as result of bugs and ill optimization as was the case with... moreYou may want to see this...
Gary, 08 Oct 2010For all those Nokia lovers...
Nokia is not a good brand to say everything in a nutshell. And ... moreFirstly, to the guy using my name, please either refrain from this or better yet, change it to something else please. I have been using that for a long while now.
OK, now onto the discussion. Gary, you have truly made some valid points. There are some aspects that i would like to clarify. There is nobody here that mentions android to be sticking to large processors as their main source for driving their os on phones. Point taken that they have utilised different smaller processors lately but the power drain is still a major problem for android. They may not be because android is the cause but just due to the processors not reaching the true equilibrium point fit for smartphone use currently. They are still getting better and the benifits of better processors are upon us. Android may just sort that power sapping problem sooner than we think.
The os however is still far from complete. There are lots of aspects that still need development and the os currently needs to be modified to accomodate new hardware aspects into it just so that it works. I mean just take a look at symbian, everything works with this outdated os. Rather efficiently at that too. Are you willing to wait for android to update their os further now to integrate the new fresh stuff that N8 has dished out this ti e round. People are still battling to get 2.2 installed currently and their phones are not even working correctly after installing the update. How sad considering that besides my previous phone versions of this make, on this phone itself i have had 5 updates with no glitches whatsoever too. Mind you, i did skip certain updates and just hopped onto the next with no hiccups. This is called materity and that is symbian for you. Android dont have that. To tell you the truth they are not a strategist company and you can clearly take note on their shortfalls im certain aspects. Tneir main aim is eye candy and faster os. Ease of use has been considered but there is too much they are trying to achieve and too quickly. Could go either way here. They may be some legal battles to come too which could slow down their progress or even halt it. Woe would be the market then? Nokia on this take have been there, done that and learnt their leasons. Being burnt comes with the game. What matters is how well you recover from the set backs that makes you into a great company.
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2010Okay, you really don't have to tell silly lies here. We are literate.
Who said 680mhz isn't... moreLet me add that an os can also lag as result of bugs and ill optimization as was the case with the n97 and 5800. Yes, "was". Tried the latest firmware? The 5800 especially is . . .
At times, you guys almost sound as though symbian isn't itself evolving. Android is working on 3.0. Symbian is working on s^4!
Maybe 6months ago, symbian had no developers but now? No rational minded individual with programming knowledge on the symbian platform would hear of nokias packages and not come running. Heck, half the worlds smartphones run true to symbian.