Nuwan, 27 Sep 2010Dear Wheez,
I often read your comments and those are really really interesting to read.. I ... moreThank you for your kind words, and what you describe there is the way I try to write here: I don't mind loving Nokia and the N8 and I even work(ed) there, but I still try to stay as open and unbiased as possibly and openly bring up my possible biasness so people know to evaluate what I say themselves.
You had quite abit of questions there, luckily, I have a boring philosophy lesson at the moment so I guess I'll start breaking it down to parts.
Personally the N8 is abit overkill for me too, I don't need a camera like that, but I absolutely love the looks and the design so much, that I can't really even consider the C6-01 or C7. I would rather stick with my old E65 than buy either of those. The camera is just about the only feature I would make a trade off in the N8, giving stuff like USB OTG isnt a possibility for me, really. I might consider if there was a something very similar in look/shape but just abit less features, but I'm not willing to go for C6/C7 looks :D
The Nokia CBD is pretty much a basic AMOELD screen like in N8, but it has an extra layer in it that makes it abit thicker, but it helps seeing the screen in unideal lighting (direct sunlight for example) alot!
Personally I'm ready to pay the extra for the look and design and materials and the color options as well as the features (like the cheaper models have some mix and match of N8s features, but none seems to has all the same and just trade off in material/design). Also personally I'm trying to be far sighted, stuff like SD-slot for example is gonna help alot in the future, not having one would probably limit the device awfully in the future. I dont think the C6 or C7 has a resistive screen, but thats one thing I wont even consider after tyring the N8s capacitive screen.
As for the same kind of hardware on many models, there's a simple reason like that. Nokia is by far the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world, they make and sell huge volumes. They probably save money when they order a huge shipment of the same hardware which they can use on many devices, which they use for 1-2 years in most of the equal kind of devices. Also having lots of different hardware might make different kind of requirements for the machines/people who assemble the phones, which may waste time and money and machinery to be installing 4 different kind of modules when you could be installing just one. Also as you said, software/OS performs differently on different modules. I'ev played a game that ran like a dream on nVidia gfx cards but ran unplayably with ATI cards even if they were specwise the same.
It's not really lazyness, it's just efficient, and those Samsung fanboys can shut up, they've been using the same CPU for a good while now too :D
I often read your comments and those are really really interesting to read.. I learned many things from you as you always line up things with an unbiased mind... (I mean as possible... Because it's obvious that you like N8.. However you have taken care that you don't spoil your posts because you like this mobile...) So for any person who likes or dislike Nokia N8, there are things to grab from Mr. Wheez's comments..
Well... Back to my point... I also really like this mobile.. Not only because of its extraordinary camera.. But also because of the features like 'USB On the Go' and 'Symbian 3' (Though there are so many Symbian haters here, as a Person who's in love with Symbian, my next mobile will always be another Symbian... That's for sure...)
However after the introduction of the next Symbian 3 mobiles from Nokia (C7 and C6-01) I'm again in a dilemma whether to go for this very expensive N8 or just buy a budget mobile like C6-01... (Actually all I want is a mobile with Great Music Quality, Symbian OS, Decent Camera - it doesn't have to be an extraordinary camera, GPS and high speed 3G with video calling, Decent battery, Pretty sexy look.. Plus, that mobile should be Nokia... Ha ha... My personal preference...)
Only two things I hate about C6-01 are, lesser battery capacity, higher thickness... (it's 13.9 thick... damn it.. The current mobile I'm using is 5530 and it's damn sexy... and it's only 12.9 mm... I hate to move from 12.9 to 13.9 which is kind of backward to me...!)
However the features like USB on the Go, Wifi b/g/n, great Nokia clear black display with AMOLED capacitive screen are turning me on...! Actually C7 has all I want but I don't like its oval shape.. (thickness is great though...)
I want to know more about this 'Nokia clear black display' which N8 doesn't have while C7 and C6-01 have... and do you really think N8 will be that popular specially when buyers have very competitive and considerably cheap alternatives like C7 and C6-01...? I don't think people will be pleased to pay more 200 Dollars just to jump from 8 MP camera to 12 MP camera and for HDMI & aluminum casing...! I want your opinion on above...
One thing more... I have seen Nokia produces a set of mobiles which has almost same hardware configuration with slight changes in design and some features.. (Eg: 5800, C6, X6, 5530, 5230, 5233, N97 all has same processor, same screen resolution, same RAM etc...) Now the same theory applies to N8, C7 and C6-01 too... What do you think as the reason...? Is it just because they (Nokia people) are lazy on new things as so many Samsung fan boys are shouting about...? Or is it because of their own comfort on using the same configuration...? (Even same old housing for 5800, 5230 and 5233 proves this matter...) or else is it after concerning so many facts like software compatibility etc...?
I want your opinion on that too.. (I'm asking you because you're a Finland person and moreover you've worked in a Nokia factory too..)
Wheez, 27 Sep 2010With those priorities, you might be better off with the iPhone, if you can just live with the ... moreAnd the limitations would be mainly the following:
Main disadvantages of iPhone 4
- Hardware design is prone to reception issues
- MicroSIM card support only
- No Flash support in the web browser
- No true multitasking for all applications
- FaceTime video calls work only over Wi-Fi
- No file transfer over Bluetooth or USB Mass
- No hardware shutter key for the camera
- No FM radio
- No stereo speakers
- No microSD card slot
- No smart dialing
- Too dependent on iTunes for loading
- Poor loudspeaker performance
it acually can have up to 48gb of storage memory. internal memory of 16gb and expanable additional memory of 32gb......
[deleted post]With those priorities, you might be better off with the iPhone, if you can just live with the restricted nature of it and lack of "real" features.
The important funtion i want in phone is the ability to work as notebook, it almost replace the notebook hence i can not too depend on my computer for everything
My friend has the SE Satio which has the 256 MB RAM and I didn't expirience any lags in its w0rkings...
Ooh just had the iPhone 4 in ma hand now n0w... Stiff c0mpetition must say. Though I felt the browser could have been a bit faster. But I really liked its gl0ssy finish!
But the N8 is stil 4 me!
i've used nokia for like 5yrs, its the first time, i've had a question to look for other brands, hope the symbian 3 keeps me anchored for nokia....
I guess this mobile is a cool one, its got good screen, good looks and an awesome camera, memory is great too...
This one has quite good competition though, samsung's are on a rise, htc is got with desire coming up, and i-phone takes the styling part to the whole new level..
Nokia needs to work on its touch ui for sure, leave apple apart, htc's touch ui is just great to handle, plus android os works quite interestingly. Android too has a rapidly growing soft market...
I hope nokia gets it all right with the symbian ^3 os.. Better screen resolutions, touch ui and a faster processor is all u need to drive nokia to its former glory.
sayargyi, 27 Sep 2010Wht's the different bet N8 and iphone4? Are there so many developers for N8? Is that phone can... moreMost likely the iphone will be better for gaming but the n8 can and will win in many other aspects
Wht's the different bet N8 and iphone4? Are there so many developers for N8? Is that phone can play games smootly like Iphone???
I don't think that phone can beat iPhone!!!
About the "Internal Battery" - I've seen batteries swelling, what if the battery of this phone swells internally and damages the phone or causes harm to the user? Since removable batteries can be easily checked by users for any swelling or replaced on the go, this internal battery is gonna be tricky business :|
Steve Jobs, 27 Sep 2010I like this phone.....Finally, you said something sensible Stevy.
All what we need now is making Bill Gates admits Symbian is better than Windows phone squared OS :)
Wishes ths site could be like Facebo0k wer u recieve notifications 4 replies u get on comments. It would also be nyc if we could inbox each other so that we cn get the forum neat and str8 to the p0int
Anonymous, 27 Sep 2010Regarding the processor and ram amounts. . .
Normally, these are not details the consumer ... moreDear Anonymous brother,
Thanks a lot for the answer... Yeah.... You have a point there...
[deleted post]Dear Tamil brother...,
I'm sorry dude... I didn't mean anything offensive.. But it seems you've taken it that way... (That's why I have particularly mentioned 'No offense please')
Come on brother... Don't praise 'Racism' here... I've never been that way for all my life... I've got plenty of Tamil friends and I see no difference between them and my Sinhala friends... Besides I'm not a Sinhala Maniac... I'm terribly sorry this conversation has come to such a route...
We both like Nokia and let's praise that...
Wow... Our daily interest is rising slowly but surely! 85% and still going! Only 10 m0re %
The reason Nokia doesn't use CBD to N8 and C7 maybe because it's thicker than "normal" amoled
Q: Why doesn’t the C7 have “Clear Black Display”? The C6-01 has it, but the C7 is a higher tiered
phone than the C6, no?
Tim Allen – Nokia C7 Product Manager:
@Tom – This is a good question,
and I’m afraid it’s always a
balance. We can’t always get
everything we want into the
design. We believe we ’ve got it
right, but take a look at the
display on Nokia C7 for yourself,
and see what you think."
CBD means a polarized filter that sits on top of the display and blocks sunlight to get better outdoors visibility (www.oled-info.com), so I think it makes the CBD amoled thicker than amoled and super amoled.