Everyone assumes how widgets will affect battery, memory, etc, but have no point of reference to compare it to. Remember, S^3 offloads all the formerly heavy graphics issues to the GPU, and only a small efficient part of the work gets left for the proc.
So the amount of free RAM will be greater even without the physical RAM increase. Widgets should operate much better with a more optimized OS. They weren't that much of an issue with the N97 after some updates, and should only get better with a more efficient OS and added RAM.
The supposed overhead for Qt apps is theoretical, but doesn't exist. The Mozilla developer team and various Qt devs will attest to the fact that virtually no latency occurs from Qt.
Qt apps use LESS resources than Avkon. In fact, Avkon was part of the bottleneck with Symbian past. Qt solves that issue. And keep in mind, the Avkon parts were mostly graphical in nature, and have been offloaded to the GPU, not the app proc.
So your thoughts on Qt being a resource liabillity are unfounded as far as my limited knowledge goes. I may be wrong, but doubt it. There are already Qt apps on older devices, and they ran fine before, both on Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. What makes you think otherwise?
n8 has 256 mb of RAM + virtual memory (like in N900)
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there is only one hardware memory device and this "virtual" device acts like a RAM module.
the program has, by default, sole access to this virtual RAM module as the basis for a contiguous working memory (an address space).
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make the programming of applications easier by:
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Wheez, 12 Sep 2010Most of all I'm trying to make people realize that all the current smartphones have their pros... moreOh and one more thing. I'm not really here either to defend Nokia itself, I just currently have lots of time to write here, and I'm the kind of personality that I just need to know everything about some new cool thing I'm waiting. So first and foremost I came here for the discussion and so on, and cos I had alot of time to read and reply here, I ended up doing the counter-act for those mindless bashers.
The chances that I will be gone when I get the device myself are big, cos then I can already just use the device myself instead of discussing about it.
Wheez, 12 Sep 2010I'm aware specs don't really make much difference, that's why I believe I wrote "spec/fea... moreMost of all I'm trying to make people realize that all the current smartphones have their pros and cons. iPhone for one is fantastic at what it can do, but I avoid calling it a real smartphone, if you comapre it to it's competitors. It's still a very fine gadget that is very well optimized for what it can do.
Android is a very good OS, but not perfect either, same goes for Symbians, both have their pros and cons, most people just come here, say that Nokia needs Android and that's it. Also this kind of ppl I try to deflect by, if necessary, digging up some nasty flaws from Android or just highlighting some of the pros in the Symbian, to get people to realize that it's not black and white and that it's more about what you need and what you want.
Anonymous, 12 Sep 2010"I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city whe... moreI'm aware specs don't really make much difference, that's why I believe I wrote "spec/feature list", cos something like USB On the go is something you most phones don't have, no matter how monster specs it has.
Most casual people fail to realize that a smartphone is more than just the frequency of the CPU. I don't necessarily defend Nokia or the N8 for it's shortcomings, I just don't want people to write stuff that is simply wrong and then other clueless people come here and read that, thinking that this guy probably knows his stuff and doesnt buy the phone cos of some clueless person going off about CPU frequency and Android.
That's why I try to start discussions with people saying this, to see whether they actually have a clue or not. I'm not afraid to say "where I'm coming from". I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've indirectly worked for Nokia, I'm from Finland, thus I have a "patriotic" need to sort of support Nokia. I do not own any smartphones from Nokia or any other company. I would not have bought any smartphone if I had not been totally sold by the N8. So far the reasons I havn't bought smartphones were that I found them sort of ugly and clumsy (still goes for pretty much any smartphone out there but the N8) and I didn't really have the need for one. I started studying in uni (dropped the indirect working for Nokia due to that), so my needs sort of changed. However, I still wouldn't have bought a Samsung or HTC for example.
Either way, I've now tried the N8 and many other smartphones too as well as reading alot about them. As said, I know where I'm coming from and I'm not afraid to say that my experience of smartphones are limited. I'm also not afraid to admit that I am/was wrong, as long as the other side is up for the discussion.
Most bashers of Nokia/N8/symbian shut up though when you ask them for reasons, cos they can't really give any. Most people just have some built-in need to hate Nokia for whatever reason. And that's why I'm so active here, I wanna support Nokia by "deflecting" the blind bashers who have no facts to do so, so that Nokia would maybe lose less customers just cos of those random bashers :D
Wheez, 12 Sep 2010I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nok... more"I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nokias mobile phone industry started from."
That was kind a obviously without saying, no one else don't try defend nokia that much anymore.
I'm from here too where's nokia mobile industry started and i have to say it doesnt matter anything and don't chance the fact that nokia's hiprice phones are very bad, of course if you just use your nokia and don't know anything else it is good.
And like many nokia fans you also speaking specs, but they dont mean shit anymore because all the phones have good specs nowdays
Sold my N85 today to sum up money. So m definite m gonna get a new phone, m 90% sure its gonna be N8!
Hope they release it soon and price trims down very fast ^_^
Will have to use n70 till then :)
[deleted post]I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nokias mobile phone industry started from.
I try to be objective towards every phone. If it wasn't for the N8, I wouldn't be getting any smartphone now. Nokia or not, the N8s spec and feature list still beats many phones out there. Not to mention that in my eyes it looks very, very good. I personally hate the HTC/Samgsung/iPhone kind looks.
If Nokia sucks, why does this phone have more hits here on GSMArena than iPhone 4 for example. If Nokia sucks, why are the Nokia smartphones on top of some of the rankings here on GSMARena.
You obviously hate Nokia, Nokia obviously does not suck, neither does Samsung, HTC, SE, or anything else. It's about what you want, what you need and what you like.
I like this, but I still try to remain as objective as possible. I do get back at people pretty hard if they just blindly bash Nokia/N8, just so they realize it works both ways. But I definitely don't say any phone sucks.
[deleted post]Either way, that generalisation is so wide that it's just lame. SE and HTC certainly have some things really good that Nokia might not have, it's also about personal preference.
I personally don't find a 4½" screen an upgrade to 3½" screen, cos I find it too big and I don't want/need it. You might want a bigger screened one, so instead you see Nokias lacking in that department.
You may prefer Android to Symbian, thus you may see Nokias lacking again. I for one will not use an Android phone at this time, maybe when it goes through quite abit more development, currently I'm finding Symbian^3 simply frigging amazing, it's hands down the best Symbian out there.
There are good Nokias, there are good HTCs, there are good SEs. Mobile tech is still about tradeoffs. I for one think the N8 is maybe the best overall balanced smartphone currently out there/coming soon.
If you don't like the N8, don't buy it, buy a HTC or an SE. What you are saying is an opinion, you don't seem to have facts to back it up either, not to mention that Nokia still leads the markets over both SE and HTC.
[deleted post]So you can't really elaborate, you are just saying it cos you somewhy dislike Nokia.
Right, so SEs and HTCs are better cos they don't have USB On The Go? Also having a free navigation is a downside for Nokias?
That's already two aspects the N8 beats afaik just about any HTC or SE.
Now gimme something, cos you are just making a fool out of yourself.
[deleted post]You have to elaborate or you are nothing but a troll.
In what aspects are the SEs or HTCs better?
why there is no news about an successor to nokia e72?
If nokia just put a gpu and 256 to this successor, xenon flash
i will buy it over nokia n8
and why nokia does not upgrade the non touch s60v3.2 to s60v3.3?
andy burgin, 12 Sep 20102 days for the London Event an we will finally hope to see the N8 displayed an view the final ... moreThe latest software is feeling really good already, but they still have like a week after the event to still tweak the software before shipping the phones around.
Also, cos of the nature of these things, they can provide a software update on the first day it's out. I don't understand why people see having updates bad, even on the first day. Some changes can't make it into the boxes in releases and the phone will most likely work just fine even without the most recent update, but I've seen people complain just cos companies deploy patches on the first day it's out.
I call that good service and ongoing development.
Wheez, 12 Sep 2010The processor is considerably slower than it's competitors, but don't forget that the N8 has a... moreFor the record, about N97 that was a big flop, it was mainly due to too low RAM, and now people are complaining at its still not enough. For comparison, I was told that a N97 after a bootup had like 15-30 mb RAM free.
So comparing that to the 128mb+ free RAM after bootup the N8 has, there won't be much of a problem.
2 days for the London Event an we will finally hope to see the N8 displayed an view the final software,hope Nokia do suprise us with some other mobiles for the near future,hope the N8 is really fast an just hope it is going to be a really Top Class Smartphone
duel, 12 Sep 2010i think the bigger problem is very old processor
but yes others have 512MBThe processor is considerably slower than it's competitors, but don't forget that the N8 has a dedicated GPU that most of it's competitors lack. In every day use, that'll equal out to at least having only a 1ghz processor. Naturally though, in a sandbox environment the 1ghz will still process faster, but as running the OS takes a big chunk of the resources, in reality its abit different.
Nokia N8s dedicated GPU will be taking like half the strain off the CPU in running the OS and other visual stuff like in games, etc.
As for slowness in loading speed for the NFS: Shift, it could come down from these things, Id figure loading the game up can mainly utilize the processor only and not really the GPU, as for general slowness in some videos, they are also beta software while you are comparing it to released products.
As for the RAM, Symbian being so light that it's easily sufficient. After bootup there's over 128mb RAM left solely for applications and other things, and even with real multitasking of the N8 (so not just freezing them like iPhone), I think I was told that at 75 apps running in the background at the same time, it ran out of memory.
So the RAM is sufficient.