Anonymous, 12 Sep 2010"I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city whe... moreI'm aware specs don't really make much difference, that's why I believe I wrote "spec/feature list", cos something like USB On the go is something you most phones don't have, no matter how monster specs it has.
Most casual people fail to realize that a smartphone is more than just the frequency of the CPU. I don't necessarily defend Nokia or the N8 for it's shortcomings, I just don't want people to write stuff that is simply wrong and then other clueless people come here and read that, thinking that this guy probably knows his stuff and doesnt buy the phone cos of some clueless person going off about CPU frequency and Android.
That's why I try to start discussions with people saying this, to see whether they actually have a clue or not. I'm not afraid to say "where I'm coming from". I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've indirectly worked for Nokia, I'm from Finland, thus I have a "patriotic" need to sort of support Nokia. I do not own any smartphones from Nokia or any other company. I would not have bought any smartphone if I had not been totally sold by the N8. So far the reasons I havn't bought smartphones were that I found them sort of ugly and clumsy (still goes for pretty much any smartphone out there but the N8) and I didn't really have the need for one. I started studying in uni (dropped the indirect working for Nokia due to that), so my needs sort of changed. However, I still wouldn't have bought a Samsung or HTC for example.
Either way, I've now tried the N8 and many other smartphones too as well as reading alot about them. As said, I know where I'm coming from and I'm not afraid to say that my experience of smartphones are limited. I'm also not afraid to admit that I am/was wrong, as long as the other side is up for the discussion.
Most bashers of Nokia/N8/symbian shut up though when you ask them for reasons, cos they can't really give any. Most people just have some built-in need to hate Nokia for whatever reason. And that's why I'm so active here, I wanna support Nokia by "deflecting" the blind bashers who have no facts to do so, so that Nokia would maybe lose less customers just cos of those random bashers :D
Wheez, 12 Sep 2010I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nok... more"I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nokias mobile phone industry started from."
That was kind a obviously without saying, no one else don't try defend nokia that much anymore.
I'm from here too where's nokia mobile industry started and i have to say it doesnt matter anything and don't chance the fact that nokia's hiprice phones are very bad, of course if you just use your nokia and don't know anything else it is good.
And like many nokia fans you also speaking specs, but they dont mean shit anymore because all the phones have good specs nowdays
Sold my N85 today to sum up money. So m definite m gonna get a new phone, m 90% sure its gonna be N8!
Hope they release it soon and price trims down very fast ^_^
Will have to use n70 till then :)
[deleted post]I don't love or hate any phone. Given, I'm biased towards Nokia, being from the city where Nokias mobile phone industry started from.
I try to be objective towards every phone. If it wasn't for the N8, I wouldn't be getting any smartphone now. Nokia or not, the N8s spec and feature list still beats many phones out there. Not to mention that in my eyes it looks very, very good. I personally hate the HTC/Samgsung/iPhone kind looks.
If Nokia sucks, why does this phone have more hits here on GSMArena than iPhone 4 for example. If Nokia sucks, why are the Nokia smartphones on top of some of the rankings here on GSMARena.
You obviously hate Nokia, Nokia obviously does not suck, neither does Samsung, HTC, SE, or anything else. It's about what you want, what you need and what you like.
I like this, but I still try to remain as objective as possible. I do get back at people pretty hard if they just blindly bash Nokia/N8, just so they realize it works both ways. But I definitely don't say any phone sucks.
[deleted post]Either way, that generalisation is so wide that it's just lame. SE and HTC certainly have some things really good that Nokia might not have, it's also about personal preference.
I personally don't find a 4½" screen an upgrade to 3½" screen, cos I find it too big and I don't want/need it. You might want a bigger screened one, so instead you see Nokias lacking in that department.
You may prefer Android to Symbian, thus you may see Nokias lacking again. I for one will not use an Android phone at this time, maybe when it goes through quite abit more development, currently I'm finding Symbian^3 simply frigging amazing, it's hands down the best Symbian out there.
There are good Nokias, there are good HTCs, there are good SEs. Mobile tech is still about tradeoffs. I for one think the N8 is maybe the best overall balanced smartphone currently out there/coming soon.
If you don't like the N8, don't buy it, buy a HTC or an SE. What you are saying is an opinion, you don't seem to have facts to back it up either, not to mention that Nokia still leads the markets over both SE and HTC.
[deleted post]So you can't really elaborate, you are just saying it cos you somewhy dislike Nokia.
Right, so SEs and HTCs are better cos they don't have USB On The Go? Also having a free navigation is a downside for Nokias?
That's already two aspects the N8 beats afaik just about any HTC or SE.
Now gimme something, cos you are just making a fool out of yourself.
[deleted post]You have to elaborate or you are nothing but a troll.
In what aspects are the SEs or HTCs better?
why there is no news about an successor to nokia e72?
If nokia just put a gpu and 256 to this successor, xenon flash
i will buy it over nokia n8
and why nokia does not upgrade the non touch s60v3.2 to s60v3.3?
andy burgin, 12 Sep 20102 days for the London Event an we will finally hope to see the N8 displayed an view the final ... moreThe latest software is feeling really good already, but they still have like a week after the event to still tweak the software before shipping the phones around.
Also, cos of the nature of these things, they can provide a software update on the first day it's out. I don't understand why people see having updates bad, even on the first day. Some changes can't make it into the boxes in releases and the phone will most likely work just fine even without the most recent update, but I've seen people complain just cos companies deploy patches on the first day it's out.
I call that good service and ongoing development.
Wheez, 12 Sep 2010The processor is considerably slower than it's competitors, but don't forget that the N8 has a... moreFor the record, about N97 that was a big flop, it was mainly due to too low RAM, and now people are complaining at its still not enough. For comparison, I was told that a N97 after a bootup had like 15-30 mb RAM free.
So comparing that to the 128mb+ free RAM after bootup the N8 has, there won't be much of a problem.
2 days for the London Event an we will finally hope to see the N8 displayed an view the final software,hope Nokia do suprise us with some other mobiles for the near future,hope the N8 is really fast an just hope it is going to be a really Top Class Smartphone
duel, 12 Sep 2010i think the bigger problem is very old processor
but yes others have 512MBThe processor is considerably slower than it's competitors, but don't forget that the N8 has a dedicated GPU that most of it's competitors lack. In every day use, that'll equal out to at least having only a 1ghz processor. Naturally though, in a sandbox environment the 1ghz will still process faster, but as running the OS takes a big chunk of the resources, in reality its abit different.
Nokia N8s dedicated GPU will be taking like half the strain off the CPU in running the OS and other visual stuff like in games, etc.
As for slowness in loading speed for the NFS: Shift, it could come down from these things, Id figure loading the game up can mainly utilize the processor only and not really the GPU, as for general slowness in some videos, they are also beta software while you are comparing it to released products.
As for the RAM, Symbian being so light that it's easily sufficient. After bootup there's over 128mb RAM left solely for applications and other things, and even with real multitasking of the N8 (so not just freezing them like iPhone), I think I was told that at 75 apps running in the background at the same time, it ran out of memory.
So the RAM is sufficient.
Anonymous, 12 Sep 2010what ram????
n8 has 256mb+virtual memoryi think the bigger problem is very old processor
but yes others have 512MB
I can say, I quite dissapoint with Nokia nowaday...
It has being the market leader for so many years, but the lagging, the ram never improve and Nokia is far behind others
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok4LaIt-wSc nfs shift with different iphones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD_Y2UX_jBg same on N8 (game starts halfway on that video)
Interesting loading time comparison, if you compare that last loading window, it takes huge time with n8, even about 10 seconds longer than two years old iphone 3g
N8 load that game 35 seconds, that's long time!!! iphone 4 takes 5 sec, iphone 3gs 8 sec and even 3g takes about 22 second.
That's very interesting
here is also same game on galaxy s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpQyfbLLyHQ takes about 10 sec
Could N8 really be that SLOW?
The browser was disappoinment too, it was laggy with just only one flash animation.