Hope we'll get this state of the art phone in Romania by the end of the month. I'm already looking to buy it.
[deleted post]This has nothing to do with the Nokia N8 apart from both being Nokias, so I don't think that belongs here.
>What do any of these Hardware manufacturers contribute to Android?
UI customization, 3rd party integrated apps that are in the phone as you pull it out of the box.
And most important of all, staggered hw release cycles.
The mobile hw release cycle is now c. 6 months. Nokia's platform is from start to finish 24 months, with a 12mo refresh.
Let's compare that with the ecosystem of Android.
Q1 Nokia releases new hw
Q1 company X comes out with the latest hw
Q2 company Y makes a refresh
Q3 company Z comes out with the latest hw
Q4 company P comes out with a refresh or new hw
Q1: nokia does a refresh of the hardware
Q1: company X does a refresh
Q2. company Q comes out with a fresh hw
Q3: company R comes out with refresh
Q4: company s comes out with a new hardware
Are you starting to see the pattern?
Nokias innovation loop is cut into half or perhaps even to 1/4th by the Android ecostystem.
Everytime Nokia comes out with the phone, there's a faster, more capable hw from a competing Android company in the market and a refresh coming out really fast.
It's like the PC market in the 90s, when processing power, sw requirements and hardware use grew at a rapdi exponential less than 18mo doubling rate.
All the slow integrators were left in the dust back then.
Only the fastests survived.
If Nokia can somehow manage to compete against staggered release cycles of Moto, HTC, Samsung, LG, SE, Huawei, etc, then great.
But as an old guy who has sometimes worn the biz strategy hat, I see the likelihood of this happening as quite low.
Great if it happens. We all benefit. So I'm hoping for it, but I'm not betting my hopes on it.
I invite you to add me on Facebook so I can publicly debate you on the merits of Nokia's prowess in smartphones and converged devices. These aren't opinions Rev is spitting. Not even close.
- Nokia has the best supply chain in the business. This is undisputed.
- Nokia has the best carrier support in the business. This is undisputed.
- Nokia has the most manufacturing capacity in the business. This is undisputed.
- Nokia has the two most customizable OSes in Symbian and MeeGo/Maemo. The Qt UI toolkit will amaze, but even Symbian^1 was variable. Look at the Samsung i8910 HD, Sony Ericsson Satio, and Nokia N97's UIs, all the same OS but totally different in UI. Android takes alot of work just to add Sense, MotoBlur, and other UI layers.
- Nokia has the best multitasking OSes on the market. This is undisputed. Both Symbian and MeeGo/Maemo are full on, real time multitasking OSes with unlimited API access to background apps. No other full real time multitasking OSes exist on the mobile scene. Only WebOS comes close. WinMo was as well, but wasn't as stable under heavy loads.
- Nokia is WORLD RECOGNIZED as the brand with the best call quality and signal antennae. They own the patents. Do you really want to argue call quality against Nokia? They invented the GSM/3G antenna game. But go ahead and try.
- Nokia devices are the most durable. They last longer, have high resale rates, and are usually made for durability over style in recent years. I haven't seen tank built phones like the N90, E90, and N8 on any other brand. HTC is close, but not quite there.
- Nokia makes more cameras than any other company, and has more digital cameras in use than all the film and non-phone digital cameras ever made COMBINED. They use high end optics and optimized processing algorithms licensed from Kodak and others to get the best picture quality across its lineup. Now who do you say makes better cameras? Don't say it loud, or I'll have you laughed off Engadget. EVERYONE knows Nokia rules cameras.
- Nokia's MeeGo OS is the only OS that is entirely made of open source components. Productized versions may have closed replacement apps, but the OS is of a full Linux stack, and features common open toolkit support. MeeGo ships with Xterminal available out of the box. Root is acquired just like on a desktop, without any "jailbreaking" involved. Want to compare Android?
- We already know Nokia has 42% of the smartphone game on lock. Android has 19%. iOS and RIM have 14% and 18%. Take that how you will. Nokia has always, currently, and likely always will run smartphones. Period. No argument suffices.
- If you've used the N900's MicroB browser, you'd know. Full Flash works, unlike on Android devices. Its no difference than my desktop. There's also Firefox and Chrome for the N900, among other options. So the N900 is the king of the web for pocketables. Who do you care to pit against it?
I think the N900's UI is best in mobile as well for productivity, but THAT is MY opinion. So I'll take that. The rest are NOT opinion unless you're Steve Jobs.
Nokia currently has,
-the most efficient logistics in the industry => great price / feature ratio
-the most customizable OS with Symbian/S^3 and Maemo/MeeGo
-the best multitasking (I wouldn't even say Android & iOS solutions are real multitasking)
-the best call quality (some people are actually buying phones you know ;)
-the most durable phones, they are built like tanks compared to everything else
-the best camera technology (N8 is so much ahead of everything else it is just ridiculous)
-the most open OS (Maemo/MeeGo)
-bigger marketshare than the next two manufacturers combined both in smartphones and overall (Q2/2010)
-best mobile browser on N900
The only two things they currently are lacking is a really good UI and easy way to program 3rd party software to their huge platform base. Both the S^3 to S^4 and MeeGo are designed to fix exactly this.
Software, software, software, software.
Developers, developers, developers, developers.
Ecosystem, ecostystem, ecostystem, ecosystem.
We can debate OS merits till we are blue in the face, but 99% of customers couldn't care less.
They are buying into a set UI features, services, software and trend.
Meego has currently burgeoning UI features, untested UX, almost zero 3rd party major sw (pls don't mention all the geek LInux-stuff or Qt-software that's yet to be ported) and none of the trend. And Ovi? Many nice ideas and even good featurs *on paper*, but the implementation leave a very sour taste in my mouth.
If it can fix the developer uptake, offer really competent services, come up with a good solid software market (with most important apps in there, doesn' thave to be 250K) and become trendy, then it has a chance.
But only if the handsets are cool, have good hw features, perform well and are decently priced.
Considering MeeGo is Nokia's highest priced top-end "mobile computer with qwerty" platform (Symbian is for smartPHONES), then I find the likelihood of this happening quite slim.
Perhaps, but only perhaps.
When was the last time that Nokia delivered a truly lustworthy handset release? It's been a while since N95...
I am not holding my breath.
And looking at the onslaught of more than a half a dozen major handset makers in the Android camp, it doesn't look like the competition is either.
Qt is an API/platform that also gives the phone manufacturer (or to be more specific, whoever produces the actual "firmware" of it the device) possibility to replace the underlying OS and system facility implementations, even the whole architecture in much easier fashion than any other existing, modern phone API. This is a direct result of Qt being developed to be platform-independent from the start.
One path analysts are consistently ignoring is Qt on Android. Bringing all of the Qt platform functionality (and almost all applications) to Android is mostly a legal/contractual, not technical hassle.
Analysts seem to also miss the fact that there are two systems that are absolutely central to future strategy of Nokia: they're Qt (enabling application portability, but also portable in itself) and Symbian (efficient, mass-market, low-overhead (both device price and hardware) OS capable of supporting Qt). Third one that is actually struggling more than these two is actually the Services, that should give the company edge when combined with these two.
MeeGo is not as central in this strategy as many seem to think - but it offers Nokia flexibility in applying the strengths of Qt and hardware development. Services are yet to get successful, but I must say a pre-beta internal test version of Ovi Maps I saw couple days ago left quite a positive impression on me. It showed true next generation understanding of navigation, mapping and location services, and I haven't heard other manufacturers advertising anything quite like it.
And by the way, the application ran on an existing mass-market handset that has sold millions, and could be expected to be freely available for, at minimum, tens of millions of already sold handsets not so far in the future.
the new nokia n8 is da bomb and i wish to get one as soon as it is released because its specification spells the word 'SUPERB'
Hopefully nokia N8 will have more cool game like itoy or n-gage, and is there anyone know if this n8 have or haven't animated background like galaxy s? I like it very much but i just dont like samsung phone.
Anonymous, 04 Sep 2010guys samsung has a new model released this september SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB with 7"11 inches ... moreTake your samsung away from this room,we love nokia and always be. Go nokia go N8...
over all a good fone no doubt 12mp is the heart of ths fone n usb on the go, fm transmitter etc etc huh cool w8n 4 the release gonna buy it 4 sure if its btwn 25000-30000rupees in India...... else i hv no option left except n900 the beast........ ppl plz compare the overall stats thn comment nt jst one or 2 specific features..... gr8 fone
Again price in the USA = 550$+50$ for the warranty=600$
price in europe= 490 Euro with warranty
price in middle east UAE exactly = 2200AED (derham) with warranty
So the expected price globally with warranty is between
380euro ~ 490euro ..., Thats the pre-order price , it should go down when launches at stores
Bye ..., Launch Date 14-9-2010
some small things nokia still not care about
can we take screen snap without the help from third party
the slide to unlock physical button should not be that design, it should e design like button
when will nokia upgrade their real player code
does symbian runon higher screen resolution?
nokia should come up with nokia exclusive world class games for their customers
symbian is weak in games department so far
nokia should team up with yahoo to bring us yahoo standalone apps like yahoo flickr, yahoo messenger, , i want official app
and qt is used by google earth and vlc, but we still cant see the nokia version ofthese great apps, apple doesnot makle any effort with google, but google give apple google earth fpor iphpone. How come?
I also need to see online tv streaming app like livestation, tvuplayer, slingplayer
can somenokia fans help me to persuade the devlopers to make app for nokia?
These apple fanguys should go elsewhere. This N8 is gonna make a great device n d particular feature dat drive me mad is d USB on-the-go capability. You can even transfer files to and from ur external harddrive; apple and samsung havent reached such level even with their ipads and galaxy tabs. Forza Nokia N8!!!!!!!!
Anis, 04 Sep 2010UAE - Dubai : They had a blue one and an orange one on display.. the store had posters of N8 a... moreFor more updates and futher information about Nokia N8. you can find us at :
UAE - Dubai : They had a blue one and an orange one on display.. the store had posters of N8 all over.. even the people there where wearing N8 T shirts.
You have to pay Dhs 500 (137$ US) and pre booked a Blue or Orange.
They couldn't promise an exact date or price, but price will be between Dhs 1800-Dhs 2200 (490$-590$) and its expect to be delivered on 14th September.
You book it and you will be de first one to get it. The others have to wait for another week before it is officially launched for the public.
djv, 04 Sep 2010plz tell us how many apps we can open at a time.....i saw a video in which it shows memory ful... moreI've seen it being multitasked with 15+ things on in the background.
And this is real multitasking, not freezing the application like the iPhone 4.
plz tell us how many apps we can open at a time.....i saw a video in which it shows memory full prob,,,then they close some apps ,,,,,so plz tell us....................................
Anonymous, 04 Sep 2010I'm excited for N8! The Greenbelt Nokia Center Salesman just confirmed the arrival of N8 on Se... moreI don't really see it as a problem. It's quite common in a way. Alot easier on the machine than rendering the whole page again in different size till you are done. It's not like you would be reading the page WHILE zooming in/out