Ying, 03 Jun 2010"...peoples want a 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU because it gives you a very fast mobile device.&q... moreAnd you goes on with the rabble rabble that as long the OS goes fast, then everything is fine.
Have you ever heard about that the programs and games you are going to run requires a fast CPU to load?.
This is like saying, yeah, lets buy a computer with a Pentium 4 CPU and 128 MB RAM today only because it runs Windows XP fast and good LOL.
Does the rest of your programs and games goes as fast as the OS then?.
No they wont, and it's not even close to bto be as fast.
Various, 03 Jun 2010I voted X10, 5 on design 4 in feature and only 2 in performance. Do you know why.? Because eve... moreyes... iphone have LOW resolution, better OS !
Apple designed OS for GPU accelerate in menus, kastor effects, kinetic scroll... etc..
Symbian not have support for GPU in menus!
[deleted post]"...peoples want a 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU because it gives you a very fast mobile device." No, a well constructed OS that utilizes its hardware correctly gives you a fast mobile device actually. Clearly your logic exist in having a "fast phone" that forsakes it's battery longevity. You know nothing of power balancing. You wouldn't be able to define what makes a phone fast in a technological sense. All you know is larger number equals faster device. It's a shame ignorance like yours exist.
[deleted post]I voted X10, 5 on design 4 in feature and only 2 in performance. Do you know why.? Because even with 1ghz processor X10 is still laggy, and it even dont give a full day standby. You cant deny the truth. X10 uses fast processor because it have heavy transition effects to do while N8 has a simple ui. 680 mhz cpu + broadcom gpu = 900 mhz. 100 mhz lower than X10 but still actual performance is based on OS. Correct me if I'm wrong, Iphone with 600 mhz processor and a gpu is more fast than your X10. What do you say??
[deleted post]I voted X10, 5 on design 4 in feature and only 2 in performance. Do you know why.? Because even with 1ghz processor X10 is still laggy. You cant deny the truth. X10 uses fast processor because it have heavy transition effects to do while N8 has a simple ui. 680 mhz cpu + broadcom gpu = 900 mhz. 100 mhz lower than X10 but still actual performance is based on OS. Correct me if I'm wrong, Iphone with 600 mhz processor and a gpu is more fast than your X10. What do you say??
Guys, can we all agree to just ignore trolls? It is no use, the more you argue with them, the more important they think they are.
We have had some very good and serious posts here, by Dev, Ying, others. Lets focus on those and not the senseless blabbing that has plagued the thread here.
Another great video, for N8:
[deleted post]Now yours is one hella funny post.
Symbian doesn't need a very fast processor to run smoothly. You got that right but in your comparism, you seemed to imply that the same applications are used on both symbian and its competitors.
If you've used a symbian running nokia mobile, you'ld know that most of the os itself are basically preloaded applications.
It would be logical to deduce that since symbian doesn't need a super processor to run, symbian apps won't be needing one either!
Nokia owns the largest share in the mobile market. Do you think they're stupid as to underpower their flagship? Be rational.
STUPID, 03 Jun 2010I really dont understand people saying Symbian OS is outdated juz bec of its spec. You see, An... moreNo there have been xenon flash camera phones from Nokia before. However, that was a while ago and those owners now finally have an upgrade to buy!
OH MY GOD!!!, 03 Jun 2010What the heck of this spec., Symbian OS?? still in Jurassic period?? Cmon., Samsung Galaxy was... moreYou lost most of the people here when you mentioned TouchWiz as a benefit. The specs are great, they really are, but outside of the CPU, GPU and Screen, its not that great.
You see, its made of plastic, which I personally dislike. Next to that, it has no flash. Not even LED, let alone Xenon. Basically, you cannot use your camera half of the time because of that.
Then on to the CPU and GPU spec. Samsung says it does 90 million polygons a second. Thats a LOT. If it is true. You see, this is theoretical capacity with a barebones OS. Real life performance is markedly less usually, in the case of nexus one or the iphone I have seen reports of it being half.
Now, in contrast to those, lets say, slight exaggerations, Nokia doesnt even promote the GPU in this device. Even when it is clearly incredibly strong:
So even though I actually like the screen on the Galaxy S, I am not very impressed by the rest of the specs.
I would go so far as to say, it is intended for different people altogether, Android lovers who want a nice big SAMOLED screen, which is more of a niche.
In contrast, I think the N8 is the next 5800.
Anyway, OH MY GOD is not the right way to dismiss this phone. Its actually better in many use cases than the Galaxy S.
STUPID, 03 Jun 2010I really dont understand people saying Symbian OS is outdated juz bec of its spec. You see, An... moreAndroid is power hungry but the battery life last longer than u think.. i seriously was using n97 n it is ntg compare to a good android device like galaxy s, bravo, n others..
I really dont understand people saying Symbian OS is outdated juz bec of its spec. You see, Android and WM are power hungry OS which needs a lot of huge spec to compensate the its performance. While SymbianOS is not that power hungry except when you run lots of application at the same time (like 10 applications running at the background while playing music and surfing the web). That surely drains your batt. So SymbianOS doesnt nid Qualcomm or Snapdragon bec ARM itself can do the work. BEC SYMBIAN OS IS NOT A POWER HUNGRY OS! Get it?
Now, correct me if Im wrong. Does N8 will be first of Nokia's Xenon flash tag?
[deleted post]myself also gave 10 10 10.
i ll be giving 10 10 10, till i get the actual rating of 9.0 9.1 9.1.
thats the rating when 25k voters were there, then came the vote attack
OH MY GOD!!!, 03 Jun 2010What the heck of this spec., Symbian OS?? still in Jurassic period?? Cmon., Samsung Galaxy was... moreSo damn true pal.. android is the best. Symbian should be gone years ago..
KSR, 03 Jun 2010I am really happy about Nokia after a long time..
Becos they are now at least TRYING to giv... moreHi There,
Great post, lots of detail, no swearing. Looks like the thread is clean again! :)
Ill try to answer your questions, if you allow me:
1. How smooth the high resolution videos can be played with ARM 11 680MHz CPU?? Is GPU really gonna play crucial role in video playback??
The N8 was made to be good at exactly this. The GPU will play a central role in all things graphical, it being the rendering of effects, games, video, you name it. So, it is certain it will play a crucial role. The smoothness you will have to check for yourself when it comes out. I can tell you I find it very smooth, but it is subjective. Try it.
2. I had serious issues with N85 as it failed to deliver properly; its highly advertised TV-out by Nokia in those days. Need to see how good N8 behaves with HDMI output; given its slow processor (again subjective)
Good point. I think Nokia have learned from their mistakes. They are not overpromising I feel, and the HDMI works pretty well, even though as already mentioned below the video is not there anymore. The slow processor, is actually not so slow for S^3, and even better, the CPU is currently underclocked, and can be made faster through firmware, if necessary.
3. I really don't care if the loud speaker is dual or stereo or whatever.. It should give enough volume and clear sound with bass on par with 5800 XM. Can't jump to conclusion till it is released.
I have NO idea on how it will sound, I just know that the parts used for the sound system in the device are very high standard. Added to that, it has a seperate dolby surround system for HDMI out, but I dont know much about that. Class D is also what I read.
4. Need to see how much scratch and smudge resistant are the N8 camera lens, its screen and the body itself.
No worries, according to Damian Dinning, the lens is extremely scratch proof and has been tortured to test this in a device called the tumbler. Smudge proof I dont know, dont think anything is really smudge proof.
5. And the most important of all.. how much economic is the S^3 & N8's h/w in terms of power consumption; given the battery's relatively lower capacity.
Like the processor, I think the battery is a not too well understood choice for the N8. Spec indicate 50 (!) hours of playback with that battery.
Like processor speed & phone speed, battery capacity & battery life are not perfectly correlated.
Go test one out!
As a bonus for everyone:
A rally game. Not optimized for N8 at all but still runs decently. Later you see bounce evolution, and that runs better on the N8 than on my N900, which has an cortex A8 & 600 mhz.
Now, when optimized, the experience is much better, look at the screenshots in the article below:
N8 will be, at the very least, the best gaming phone by far from Nokia ever.
What the heck of this spec., Symbian OS?? still in Jurassic period?? Cmon., Samsung Galaxy was already released., the Galaxy S packs 1GHz Hummingbird CPU, 512MB RAM, 2GB ROM, 8/16GB internal storage, 5 megapixel camera with 720p video recording, HD DivX/XviD playback, all-round connectivity and Android OS v2.2 froyo skinned with TouchWiz 3.0… need to catch up Nokia.. really need to catch up..
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2010weird... why are u reply to your own question my friend? haha this trick is old and useless i... morei work for a company that sells htc devices in indonesia.. i didn't notice they have a code below.. well, guess i'm silly.. sorry pal.. haha. =)
KSR, 03 Jun 2010I am really happy about Nokia after a long time..
Becos they are now at least TRYING to giv... moreAs the saying goes, actions speak louder than words, but unfortunately the videos I was going to post (http://dailymobile.se/2010/04/30/nokia-n8-tv-out-demo-hdmi/) showing real time usage of the HDMI feature on the Nokia N8 is no longer available. I assure you though, the playback on his HD television was very smooth and yes, the GPU really does make a difference.
Regarding the single mono speaker on the Nokia N8, it has a Class D Amplifier so you can expect loud and clear audio.
Nokia Symbian devices has a long record of being battery consumption friendly. The hardware/energy consumption ratio is maximized for the best performance possible. Of course it all boils down to you as the user and how much you use the device.