Dev, 03 Jun 2010SHALL run absolutely smooth without a doubt! Unofficial videos out till now are in agreement t... moreI am Software developer myself and I will tell you how bug fixing works. We introduce new bugs. Not necessarily though.
Now every bug that we need to fix, we need to put some more IF conditions (sometimes remove but thatís very rare), which ultimately is a load on processing because for normal operation, it needs to go through multiple checks.
Now I have never believed on firmware updates or for that matter service packs for OS.
They may be fixing bugs but just check out all the JUNK they leave on your PC.
Fresh OS installation is much better than all these updates. I always believe that the device released from Company should be able to handle all the issues and firmware updates should be only there to introduce new functionalities and not bug fixing.
SB: When you were talking about Nokia N8 on Monday, everyone thought that it will be a flagship device. With a flagship like pricetag of 500-550 Euro. But now as N8 was announced, we see that Nokia is not positioning it as a top of the line flagship. Itís a mid-market/mid-tier device, for a price of 370 Euros.
1. No, itís top of the their line, actually. Because Nokia missed this market and nowadays they are trying to change price segments. For example, yesterday, Nokia cut a price of almost all of itís product line. And it was a very good proposition for the market. For one reason Ė nowadays Nokia has to compete with a lot of Android devices Ė and stay competitive. And Nokia brand is not as strong as it was just a few years ago.
2. For Nokia N8, as far as I know, theyíve dropped itís price at the last moment. Itís my assumption, because the price had to be between X6 and between what N97 price was at launch. There will be very few models with higher price this year from Nokia. And if we are talking about N8 Ė it totally is Nokia flagship, because no other product (except for one Ė the same device version, with keyboard), will have higher price.
3. It means that Nokia is trying to change the rules of the game. They produce very cheap phones. E.g. Ė low end phones for India for $10, very cheap phones from 16-30 Euro, and for these phones they have huge sales. If you check the average selling price for Nokia devices, itís getting lower and lower each quarter. Nowadays itís 62 Euro. It means, that high end phones from Nokia are not selling very well. Nokia sees that, and they are trying to play another game. They are trying to sell more cheaper high end devices. They are trying to push more smartphones into the market. And this strategy is very clear in N8.
4. Later this year Nokia will start adding the service ďComes with MusicĒ for free, with some handsets. It means that nowadays this service is not working. People are not buying this service, people are not buying X6, X3 and other phones with CWM. So yes, Nokia is trying to push the prices lower, and N8 is one of the first examples of that, for this year.
Mark, 03 Jun 2010But do you think the UI, good or not, will run smooth, since the GPU supports it? Excited a... moreSHALL run absolutely smooth without a doubt! Unofficial videos out till now are in agreement to this, even considering phones and so the firmware used for testing stuff is not yet final, a bit improved optimization should be there in final product.o
Answer Honestly Plea
Is there anyone who claims that Nokia Phone do not hang at all
I am getting all other consulting answers but no one is claiming that it do not hang at all.
Symbian^3 ďcosmeticĒ update
Symbian^3 OS is dismissed as a cosmetic update rather than an upgrade that could put it on a par with Android, iPhone OS or even a featurephone-platform like Samsungís Bada.
Mobile-Review reports (after a Google translation) that it takes decent photos, noting it "is a bit better than the Sony Ericsson Satio," but there's no ground-breaking features in that department. It can record video in 720p resolution, and it's "pretty fast," but only if you haven't loaded it with heaps of tunes, videos and photos. Of course, the N8 is probably just at prototype stage, so things like the multi-touch (which is a similar experience to using the X6 apparently) may well improve/change.
Interview with Eldar Murtazin, part 1. Nokia N8 leak, market prospects and Symbian^3
1. On the other hand, I understand that N8 is a flagship device, and Nokia believes that this device will save the company, will save the brand, as technological leader. I do not believe in that, because, while Nokia N8 is a good product, itís only ďaverageĒ.
2. I remember Nokia N97. I have used N97 for six months. Itís a disaster. Anssi Vanjoki [Nokia VP] said that user experience with this device was catastrophic. I have been using Nokia X6 for 2-3 months, and, in terms of software, this device is very comparable with N97. So, I already have two devices that are bad, from software side. And when Iím writing about Nokia N8 Ė my main point Ė was about impressions. After bad devices, you have to impress the public, you have to show something very special. 12 megapixel camera is not enough. Because if you have very old fashioned icons in the menu, itís not very good. Itís good that you corrected mistakes in the software. But itís not good when you havenít presented any new features in your phone.
4. Of course, Nokia has a lot of people who say that they like this UI. That they like traditions, etc; And that they can not move very fast, and make this transition smoothly. But they have to make a cut at some place, and show a totally different system. Or maybe just evolve. Itís up for discussion. But in the end of the day [Symbian^3] is just not impressive. Thatís all.
5. Iíve shown Symbian^3, on different devices, to about 40-50 people in different countries. And I asked them one question Ė ďWhat do you think about this device in terms of software? Do you like it, dislike it? Ē. The answer was Ė ďWell, thatís NokiaĒ. Thatís just the thing -itís nothing new. And when I show around some devices with next Android version, for example, they say ĎWow, thatís Android, but itís different. And I like itĒ. In reality itís not that much different, but people like it, and when you compare it, itís a different user experience.
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Nokia & Qualcomm, 02 Jun 2010And all the people claiming that Nokia do not need higher power processor because itís a OS th... moreYes, they had issues, but that proves nothing. A Snapdragon in a hardware accelerated UI is stupid. Much better to take A8 with PowerVR SGX.
The could have used the Cortex A8 in the N900 for the N8 too. They did not do it on purpose.
It is not a matter of not being able to do it. It doesnt make sense for this device.
Nokia & Qualcomm, 02 Jun 2010And all the people claiming that Nokia do not need higher power processor because itís a OS th... moreThey might have thought it for MeeGo but lately its Intel doing that job. Sorry Qualcomm AND too old links BTW.
Dev, 02 Jun 2010Honestly speaking, I am not finding it too much I candy as I was expecting considering it can ... moreBut do you think the UI, good or not, will run smooth, since the GPU supports it?
Excited about Qt too!
And all the people claiming that Nokia do not need higher power processor because itís a OS that needs low processing speed.
But Nokiaís CEO hints of a Snapdragon-powered handset
Also, it wasnít that Nokia never wanted to use High power processor. They were not having any choice because only they had issues with Qualcomm
Nokia and Qualcomm tie up after years in court
"I don't see the markets reacting since the products are expected to be sold only around mid-2010," said Nordea analyst Martti Larjo. "(But) at least the cooperation shows that Nokia is focusing its efforts on the North American market."
Mark, 02 Jun 2010Thank you. May I have your opinion on the S^3 UI, which can use the Broadcom GPU. Just curious... moreHonestly speaking, I am not finding it too much I candy as I was expecting considering it can be brough to that level one usually expect considering GPU. But I believe in customization abilities of Symbian, its themeable, can be modded with custom firmwares bringing whole new effects, home screens so I wont mind if it lacks in eyecandyness out of the box.
But I really have big hopes from the whole new Qt based UI of S^4. Its alreay a most powerful UI with great potential but should be nicer on look to really compete with Android. Thanks, Symbian is not fragmented as the care with which I am comparing it. Thats a another stronger point of it.
Answer Honestly Plea, 02 Jun 2010Agree Mark that all phone hangs.
But lets Hope that N8 should not hang else you will have t... moreOk, now you are just being stupid. The aptly called 8 sec reset, you can do at any time, to fix any issue, which you will very unlikely see happen. You will never need a different device, except for when your battery runs out.
I just explained this to you.
Mark, 02 Jun 2010Hi,
Any smartphone can hang, I see it all the time on different OS's.
For Nokia, there... moreAgree Mark that all phone hangs.
But lets Hope that N8 should not hang else you will have to always carry 2 phones,
1. Fully functional N8 which can ditch you anytime
2. A phone that works just as a phone
Answer Honestly Plea, 02 Jun 2010Hi Guys, I would like to know whether your NOKIA Smartphone has ever hanged or not and only... moreA great thing introduced later from S60v5 devices is that if unfortunately anything goes wrong with device, it just restarts automatically and thats a quick boot up happens within seconds. Again this situation arises very rarely and mainly depend on how you use your device. Using more than 90% of total available RAM for countinous and considerably long period can cause heating of device and ultimately to auto restart it to free up RAM. (no more hanging and removal of battery anymore!)
Dev, 02 Jun 2010Let me correct you that CPU used in N8 (ARM 1176) has a default clock rate of 740Mhz and it ca... moreThank you. May I have your opinion on the S^3 UI, which can use the Broadcom GPU. Just curious what you think.
Answer Honestly Plea, 02 Jun 2010Hi Guys,
I would like to know whether your NOKIA Smartphone has ever hanged or not and only... moreHi,
Any smartphone can hang, I see it all the time on different OS's.
For Nokia, there is a 8 second reset, that will hard reset the device without needing to remove the battery.
This will not be a problem in the N8.
You are right when you say the NOKIA N8 will be a good device. You are also right that the CPU is old. But you never mention that this does not matter as much as you think. EVA knows what he or she is talking abour, but he or she still does not mention the fact that S^3 behaves very differently the Android, it uses the hardware very differently. My point was, and still is, that you cannot judge performance based on proc because of this.
Every time you respond, you just rehash your opinion, and you do not give numbers, or take into account differences in technology. S^3 is very different from Android. Accept that, and the fact that you cannot say the phone is less usable than the X10. That is a flat out lie, not matter how much you choose to ignore other points.
In essence, you already have said it yourself. The N8, purely based on spec and tech (who knows maybe it is terrible when it comes out) is a better gaming device, is a better multimedia device, has most likely better battery life, has free worldwide maps, HDMI, Dolby, BT 3.0, a hardware accelerated UI ( I CANNOT STRESS THIS OINT ENOUGH) a whole list of good stuff. A slow CPU though.
The X10 has a better processor, a bigger screen (with limited colors now) an OS with less features (untill 2.2 or 3.0), both the possibility it will get 2.2 and 3.0 (great), and a risk that it will not, (promises are promises, not facts) a marketplace with more apps (not much more though) will have trouble with demanding games, has a lesser camera (though better than other devices), no xenon flash and a UI skin that needs to be reworked occasionally, making the X10 lag the latest Android OS by at least a few months.
Anyway, for me the situation is different, as I get a new phone every year, for free, since I run pretty big bills. So for me even the fact that the N8 is much cheaper than the X10 is irrelevant. For others I might be a great selling point. In fact, the fact that you get so worked up over a phone that costs significantly less, and arguably has a broader set of specs, albeit with a slower cpu, is a great compliment to what Nokia have achieved here. Almost 2 million hits already, before the device is released. Serious discussion on a board like this.
And the best is still to come for the N8, I think. With EA creating games tailored for the N8 (its OS, its GPU, its CPU) this thing will run games better than the competition I think, the exception being the Galaxy S, and possibly the new Iphone. Both of those suck in the departments the N8 rocks at, like the camera and flash. (Can you believe the Galaxy S has no flash whatsoever)
This is the first device from Nokia for the mass market since the N95 that is really a big step forward. I own the N900, which has cortex A8 and I my mind is a much better (though heavier) device than anything else out there. So for purists, geeks, tech savvy people, the N900 is the way to go. It will be the first device to sport MeeGo, in a community build. Awesome stuff.
I think the N8 will sell like crazy. I am thinking 5800 numbers. 50 to 70 million. This is a wise move for Nokia, to bring out a mid range device, running aps in Qt, and S60 5th software, untill the Qt only devices come.
Vey smart move, also to stick with Symbian now. If Nokia would adopt android, it would be an instant worldwide dominating win for Google. Companies like SE would not be able to produce the vivaz, all mobile software would be American owned (nice country, but still a bad idea), manufacturers would be left building boxes. You can see clearly in the market that people want to use Android, but want to make it their own. That is going to be a fragmentation disaster, just as the Symbian world and MeeGo is getting rid of it .
Anywho, some more thoughts from me, lets see what happens.
I think the N8 will be the most succesful Nokia device since the 5800. If it nears that number, it will have sold as many as all Iphones ever combined. If it does that, it will sell more N8's than SE sells phones in a year. Just like the 5800.
Tom, let us remember to do some proper benchmark for the devices when both are out. I will even let you use Froyo, even though it might take a while before you can use it. Maybe never ;)
Eva, 02 Jun 2010Let me tell you my friend, I brought my first PC with 550Mhz P3 and 64MB RAM and I thought it ... morelisten eva you gave an answer to your own question even before asking it.your 550mhz computer worked fast enough while a 2ghz seemed slow!!notice anything awkward Eva?
I would like to know whether your NOKIA Smartphone has ever hanged or not and only way to restart it is by VIA removing the battery and putting it back.
I have used Nokia's in past and they all have hanged.
And N8 doesn't seem to have option to remove battery easily though it has option to do that with screws.
So this is my question to all of those, claim NOKIA SMARTPHONE that has not hanged in past
And Please be Honest.
Eva, 02 Jun 2010Let me tell you my friend, I brought my first PC with 550Mhz P3 and 64MB RAM and I thought it ... moreLet me correct you that CPU used in N8 (ARM 1176) has a default clock rate of 740Mhz and it can be overclocked to up to 1Ghz. (check specs of this CPU on ARM website and check forum Nokia libraries to confirm N8 using same family processor, I am too tired to search & post links again).
And you know Nokia using it with just 680Mhz means obviously its under clocked. If you are smart enough, you will get why. You can relate it to ARM1136 in Nokia 5800. Initially, it was underclocked to 387Mhz or something (not sure about figure but it was) and later it was brought to normal clock rate via firmware upgrades when kinetic scrolling was introduced.
Nokia are smart enough about balancing the hardware. I am sure that N8 is not an exception and 680Mhz will be like charm with GPU device has got.
Andy burgin, 02 Jun 2010The N8 might be the last Symbian mobile, if the N8 turns out to be a waste of time like the N9... moreThose who feel this phone is crap but you spend your time on this forum and taking the pain of writting long posts, I don't understand it.
I go to other forums but I don't go and start bashing people there or writting so long because I'm not interested in the phone.
If you don't like this phone I like it.