Rajesh, 02 Jun 2010Recently E72 was launched about 5 months delay and it ultimately did not make up to the 1st p... moreYes the N97 was a miss hit for Nokia. I did look forward to it and although I did not buy it myself, did recommend it for a friend (and I do feel guilty about that). I am not insulting the current users of N97 who are happy with the devices but just pointing out for the price it was launched with, it came with a lot of issues that the users had to put up with until the recent updates. In-fact, now for the price (originally it sold at about RM 2450, now its dropped to RM16++) and its updated software, I think its a pretty good qwerty/touchscreen hybrid device.
Am I completely confident the N8 will be the best, maybe but I really can't tell for obvious reasons. But since my last Nokia, N95 this is the first device (and I do mean among all makers) that seems to tick all the boxes for me and at the end of the day, that is what is important for me.
unanimous, 02 Jun 2010I agree somewhat about the premature releases of their products in the past like in the case o... moreRecently E72 was launched about 5 months delay and it ultimately did not make up to the 1st position even after having a higher 600 mhz processor and new OS, I mean S60 V3 Release 2...Nokia has somehow been following other companies rather than leading...In E72 they introduced optical trackpad which was introduced by Samsung in early 2008 and SE in end 2008 but in that department too they failed to create a impact even after 18 months of delay as Nokia optical trackpad proved to be inferior compared to its competitors...AMOLED display, higher built in Nand Flash, HSPDA etc etc etc they failed everywhere...Look at N97 with huge 32 gb built in...how the model proved to be dead slow and a trash after all...And here we are N8 another Rosy dream...who knows how it will fair after all these mishaps in the past?????
its a complete mobile with all features except its design,i dnt like its design
Niraj, 02 Jun 2010Spoke wisely understand and dont bash any one. First both Vivaz+Satio cant compete N8 on spec... moreAgain you came back to same question, can Satio and Vivaz beat N8...my dear, did you sleep well...you are asking if a 9 months old gadget can compete with Nokia N8 which is a future gadget and who knows when it will be launched...lets assume N8 will be available in June ( which I doubt )...I want to ask you can any Nokia gadget which was introduced in past 9 months compete with Satio or Vivaz head to head in specs??? N900 has a mere 5 mpx camera...thats already 3 year old technology...where are your brains???
Rajesh, 02 Jun 2010If you watch the history of Nokia, they have a tendency to introduce their line up of future g... moreI agree somewhat about the premature releases of their products in the past like in the case of N95, it was about 6 months of anticipation before that came out. But recently I do notice that's not the case with their products (X6 was launched barely 2 months after its announcement). And you must admit the unfortunate leak of the N8 by the Eldar fella forced them to announce it early.
Rajesh, 02 Jun 2010If other companies can do it and do it well why cant a world leader mobile company do it...who... moreNothing stopping them, but yet we dont know if they will add it or not. so we cant judge them now, we will wait until we can hold it between our hands.
Another thing, maybe they want to keep the price affordable for us.. there is many other reasons but lets wait and see :)
There is no sort of thing that any special hardware required to play divx, its a licensing issue between Nokia and third party company having patent on divx codecs. But third party players does the job very well especially Dvd player & the smart movie players.
Anis, 02 Jun 2010Do u know it add extra cost to make it handel divx and Xvid ? lol its not free option man.. ... moreIf other companies can do it and do it well why cant a world leader mobile company do it...who is stopping them???
Tom-Helge, 02 Jun 2010Like i have said many times already, i'm not trying to stop you from buying the Nokia N8, i'm ... moreTom,
For some reason my post to you did not come through yesterday, leaving only the short addendum for you to misundertand, which you obviously did. So, first: Sense UI is not bad in itself, (Timescape & Mediascape are me thinks but still) What is bad for consumers, including you at this very moment, is that the custom UI, the one made because the Android one is actually not that great, needs to be reworked in new iterations. This delays access to new versions for phones other than the Nexus 1, and is the reason I think your lifetime support will be limited, in the end.
Here is my original post (I see someone else has lectured u on some more technical details, and judging from your shallow response, you STILL do not understand that you cannot compare this to you computer. I think that is the reason you screw up the reasoning all the time)
How i know XPERIA X10 will get Android 3.0?.
Well lifetime support is lifetime support no matter how you want that to be.
-- No Lifetime Support is Support to the end of the average lifetime they expect of the phone, which is around 18 months. You did not expect to support the phone fully for another 4 maybe 6 years. Them recreating timescape 10 times and all. I am sure SE is a nice company, but there are limits, and you will see them in the life of your X10. In finance we have a saying that past ROI is not a guarantee for future ROI. I think that applies to SE, given their financial troubles.
I have been promised alot of stuffs from Sony Ericsson in all of those years i have used their products.
And guess what, then have ALWAYS given me the things they have promised.
Spoken like a true fanboy.
Now, how can you prove that to be wrong?.
When they have given me all of the promises to now, then they will still be giving me the things they always promise. I believe them now after so many years. And it would be a disaster for them to lie about something they promise.Simply because alot of customers would be really pissed off about that then. And that's not doing business. That's losing cutomers and money in the long run. Ofc, Sony Ericsson needs more money when they make new phones and that, but we have already payed so much for our XPERIA X10 that the lifetime support is worth it on the XPERIA X10.
Yes, you paid A LOT of money for your X10, and now you HOPE they will support it until Android 3.0 You hope, you do not know.
And no, as long i can run everything smooth and very fast in 2-3 years, then the phone is not outdated that way.
Dude, you have no idea of the kind of progress Android can make, games can make, hardware can make. If anything the rate of absolution (if applicable at all) will increase. With the extremely crappy GPU on the X10, your phone will stutter at the games that come out next year. Its normal, its not because SE is a bad company, its progress. Its the graphical aspects, like I indicated before, that need headroom, not the cpu.
Nokia N8 is already outdated before it's released since it most likely can't run Symbian ^4 lol.
How fail is that?.
Its not fail because it is not true. S^3 & S^4 are just names for twice yearly releases from the SF, and S^3 Qt apps can run on S^4, and the S^4 apps run on S^3. (Note that S60 5th apps will not run on S^4, which is why it is good we have this dual purpose S^3) All of the real optimization has been done, S^4 will use a different technology for the UI layer, but in core functionality S^3 is already ahead of anything Android up to 3.0. It is a fact. So, you may argue that the N8 will be obsolete because a new version will come out, but that is bullshit, because by the same token, your phone is already obsolete when it came out, since there is a newer OS out. You see, only the UI part the N8 will not get. In any case, I would call and OS with more functionality than ANY other mobile OS out there anything but obsolete. You can nag about the UI, but then again, you are using timescape which can only make me laugh.
In 2 years, then Symbian ^3 is long gone and forgotten and no one will make any programs for it. And while i can run a new and updated OS in 2 years where every developers are supporting the new OS, so i'll get all of the nice applications and that kind of stuffs then on my XPERIA X10.
This is what i'm trying to tell. Nokia N8 have already lost and been outdated the day Symbian ^4 is released.
Sigh. Listen, Android is slow as hell, because it runs in the Dalvik VM on top of stripped down Linux, so apps can run on different hardware. Its a Virtual Machine, inherently inefficient, needing more C P U (see now it IS important) to make the VM run, and also do some graphical tasks. Nokia, through their purchase of trolltech, have Qt, which is quite possible a revolution. It is a much more efficient way of doing cross platform development, runs on mac, windows, linux, meego, symbian. etc. Computex is going now, and both Acer and Asus announced MeeGo notebooks. Which means Apps in Qt, which means, insane amount of real apps, not the java games you X10 can play. Please note, I am very confident your device will get its ass handed to it severely by even an underspecced phoned like the N8, in the gaming department. That same speed will make the UI fly. Anywhoo, I digress.
Ofc Nokia N8 will runs nice and smooth today, but that doesn't help much for the future.
You are so full of bull. You cant have it both ways. First you say the N8 will not get S^4, then you say it doesn't help for the future when the very fact it will continue to run S^3 means it will continue to run that fast. Elementary really.
Now, I gave you numbers, real benchmarks, solid reasoning and you have not responded in fashion. You just regurgitate your I believe SE because they are nice mantra. Give me numbers, facts and benchmarks or stop spreading this FUD. For a mid range phone, the N8 will kill the X10 based on gaming, multimedia, build quality, feature richness and reception. You can keep your plastic, battery draining, snapdragon sporting, vm with a higher clockspeed, thank you very much. And yes you paid A LOT for it.
Please only respond with numbers.
[deleted post]If you watch the history of Nokia, they have a tendency to introduce their line up of future gadgets sometimes even 6 months before it is actually launched. Whereas other companies like HTC, SE, Samsung, Blackberry do introduce their future plans with specs about 2 months before the launch...So N8 is on the net...you can see it...its scheduled for a 3rd Quarter launch. I assume before N8 is launched you will be able to witness various other gadgets from other companies and that will definitely assist you in making a final decession. So as I said Nokia has always followed its competitors since last 3 years time. By the time N8 will hit the shelves you will see others already in market or on the edge to be available. Last year Nokia has lost a major market share and it seems this year they will still keep the trend...I feel sorry for them but they themselves are to be blamed...
Rajesh, 02 Jun 2010Blackberry, Samsung has enabled their handsets to play Divx and Xvid videos out of box since l... moreDo u know it add extra cost to make it handel divx and Xvid ? lol its not free option man..
they are trying to make a balance! im sure they will figure it out but i hope they make it support that :P it gonna be awsome
Niraj, 02 Jun 2010This forum is going ridiculous, dont you think. By the way I dont know about xvid but as usual... moreyehaa! i totaly agree lool it really hot here :P Mobile World War 1 is going to start rofl!
well Divx and Xvid for me means support Avi format!
just cant wait for the release date .. ugh when it will be announced i want Nokia to confirm it :P
Rajesh, 02 Jun 2010Blackberry, Samsung has enabled their handsets to play Divx and Xvid videos out of box since l... moreSpoke wisely understand and dont bash any one.
First both Vivaz+Satio cant compete N8 on specs. First see both specs and then see.
Second N900 also had divx xvid player but Nokia symbian handsets dont have them. Maybe due to absence of dedicated graphics chip.. By the way Core player and julyPlayer can play divx/xvid videos properly but since Nokia symbian^1 dont have gpu so they cant run properly. Hope you get my answer.
Niraj, 02 Jun 2010This forum is going ridiculous, dont you think. By the way I dont know about xvid but as usual... moreBlackberry, Samsung has enabled their handsets to play Divx and Xvid videos out of box since last 18 months, here Nokia after 18 months still not being able to support these formats and people who use symbian gadgets has to download 3rd party software to be able to play these formats and that too with choppy video output in frozen frames sometimes. Nokia is the world leader after all
Anis, 02 Jun 2010mmm anyone know if it will support DivX / XviD ??This forum is going ridiculous, dont you think. By the way I dont know about xvid but as usual you know many people in the globle had N8 for testing. According to them N8 can play divx with the pre release firmware. I have also asked this question to Nokia Camera guru Damian Dinning and he said " we cant say in this stage".
Anis, 02 Jun 2010mmm anyone know if it will support DivX / XviD ??It can support it. Some pre-production models come with it but Nokia have stated they have not decided if they would include it in the final release. Perhaps its not a question of whether it can or not for them but rather should or otherwise as they consider cost of licensing.
[deleted post]Dude, since you had to compare the specs of one Nokia N8 with so many different devices, does that not tell you why N8 has so many followers. Now I ask you, tell me one device from any other maker that comes close to the full feature list of the N8. And while you are at it, please do add what mobile you think is the best at the moment if one does decide to buy a mobile device now instead of waiting for future and its marvels.
[deleted post]Now I think I should come up, and lets talk with real facts..
My first answer will be for Mr. Tom-Helge..
Mr Tom Helge, the answer of your arguement "will N8 is able to get symbian^4 or not" is actually hidden in your own posts.
You said that Android dont need fast processer.. It can even run on your Xperia X2 right.. Then for your kind information symbian is always light compare to Android.. I have searched the minimum requirement of both symbian^3 and symbian^4 and the answer is both have same hardware requirement.. Symbian^4 will also run heavily on 3d Graphics accelerator. Which N8 have. Second real fact: the core of snapdragon is also 'weak' Arm 11 cpu which is safely overclocked to 1ghz.
And now lets see some other facts. Mr. Tom, cpu wise Satio and Vivaz can also be upgraded to symbian^3.. right. Then why dont SE promise to upgrade them with symbian^3. Since I think they also got 'life time support'.?
Answer is simple, to install or boot new OS on phone, Capacity of ROM is more important than cpu. Nokia is officially mention that the ROM of N8 is 512 which is more than enough to install any OS on it. Due to this capacity you can even install Android, Web OS etc on N8. So ROM wise N8 also qualify to Symbian^4.
So it is not impossible to upgrade N8 with symbian^4. But still its depend on Nokia if they will upgrade it or not. But since N8 is Nokia's camera flagship so probably they will upgrade it with symbian^4. Not upgrading N8 with symbian^4 means loosing the faith from customers. If Nokia will not upgrade N8 with symbian^4 means they will loose more and more market share. Nokia is not so stupid to let their value able customers to go to other brands since they already losts many customers.
So Mr. Tom-Helge dont post any stupid post about it without answering me.
In my second post I will give Answer to Mr. Rajesh. But currently I'm busy I will back soon.