nataku, 02 Jun 2010rendering fast and rendering smooth have everything to do with each other. try playing a video... moreYup, making things to goes smooth like that is a totally different thing than loading a big map in a game really fast.
While the Nokia N8 will get good FPS in games, it will still use ages to load the maps in a game.
Lets say that my XPERIA X10 loads a map in a game in 5 secs and have 30-40 fps that is pretty fine to be on a mobile phone.
Then take Nokia N8 with the same game. Here the Nokia N8 use 15 secs to load the map, but have 60 fps in the game.
Ofc you will see the game more smoother, but i rather have a phone that can give me good enough fps while being lightning fast.
rendering fast and rendering smooth have everything to do with each other. try playing a video that was captured at an "example" 5 fps at a very fast speed and one at 24 fps at moderate speed "regular." the vid in the 5 fps example may play fast but the action is not gonna be smooth due to the limited frames. The n8 is capable of 60 or more fps making it extremy smooth. NO SUCH THING AS "STUTTERING" SMOOTH. if it stutter due to slow cpu, then it's not smooth
why im so full of it, 02 Jun 2010Enginner Man:
Symbian doesn't need a fast CPU, apparently the CPU is down clocked from 720MHz... moreIf you think the GPU is going to decide how fast your device is going to be, then what the freaking hell is the point with the CPU in a mobile phone then?.
So you mean a GPU can decide how fast your going to load your game?. I mean wow, you fail hard.
The GPU is there to give you a smooth experience in the game. It will NOT decide how fast you will load a map to a game.
The CPU is there for a damn reason. Learn how technology works before you speak ever again.
And i will say that there are already pointed out that Symbian ^4 might not be able to run on the Nokia N8. So it means the CPU is horrible in the Nokia N8 if that really is the case.
The time will show, but i have a good feeling that the Nokia N8 might dissapoint you alot when it's about that.
So care to explain whu developers are running like chickens from Symbian to Android and other OS'es, there is a reason why they do that. And it's because Android is more open and the developers have much more choices when it's about making applications and games.
Doesn't it rings a bell for you here?.
Yeah, Symbian is loosing more and more to Android, and Symbian will lose ALOT if they don't change Symbian totally.
Atm Symbian is leading, but like i said, Symbian is loosing customers like crazy for Android.
This is somerhing you can't get away from.
ROFL, that's like saying, nah, XPERIA X10 doesn't have to run the next Android OS, because it's not needed because it have Android 1.6.
Ofc you need the next OS of Android, because you will miss a butt load of new things in the new OS'es if you can't update to the new OS'es. Simple as that.
How fun do you really think it would be to sit on Android 1.6 in August 2011?. Would that be cool?. No it wouldn't.
And mega lol at you again. You know it's 2 different things than getting bug fix updates some few times here and there than getting a totally new OS. Ofc the phones likes Nokia N82 will gets update fixes from time to time.
And can i ask what OS the Nokia N82 is running now?. LOL it's running Symbian OS 9.2, S60 rel. 3.1. HAHAHAHAHAHAH, yeah awesome firmware updates you have got pal.
And the Nokia N82 is abandones as a phone for big major updates. End of story.
Good for you that you want a Nokia N82 over my X10, because your not a smart phone user then, so what's your dumb point?.
And to the last thing. The prices might change before the Nokia N8 is released. So before Nokia N8 is a phone worth to get, it should cost around 380 euro. Before that happens, it wont be worth it.
Yeah, we have to wait until Q4 to get Android 2.1. Do you even have a single clue on why?.
it's because Sony Ericsson have to create TimeScape and MediaScape and theur UI from scratch, since those can't be ported from Android 1.6.
And once that is done for Android 2.1, it's going to be really easy and fast to port TimeScape, MediaScape and the UI to Android 2.2, because Android 2.2 is about the same as Android 2.1.
So they most likely needs to change out some few codes in the programs.
So what does that mean?, it means that Android 2.2 mmight come pretty damn fast after we have got Android 2.1.
Now when i have explained all of this to you, you sounds pretty clueless about things here.
Symbian doesn't need a fast CPU, apparently the CPU is down clocked from 720MHz or something similiar. 680Mhz is only needed for Multitasking & opening Apps, the rest of the 3D UI wil be GPU driven & this is a powerful GPU.
Tom, you reply with:
'Yeah, about the GPU and the rendering on the N8, that's true. But rendering stuffs and running stuffs very fast is 2 different things. Get that into your head now.'
Yes Tom, they are 2 different things, other that pointing the obvious, care to explain a little more in technical detail? No? What, you are not a dev? Hmm, guess thats why you failed on that point.
And you continued with:
'The OS will be driven by the GPU since the UI effects goes via the GPU, well true, but still, the GPU doesn't controll how fast your device is. The GPU controlls how smooth your UI experience is going to be.'
Man, how ignorant can you be...if your device UI is smooth and every other thing you do on is runs with no hiccups then how do you measure up the device regarding speed? With a benchmark? Is all this a number to you? The user does not see any number when he uses the device, he just 'feels' how responsive the UI is...and you said the GPU in N8 is strong and is controls the UI so.....again....are you for real?
Then you came with:
'On the next thing, yeah some of that is true, but doesn't help to have a fast working phone that goes smooth today when it will be outdated and abandoned in one year because the CPU is terribly and can't get support for the next Symbian OS'es'
First you seem to comprehend that Symbian is a light OS, then you completely contradict yourself by saying one year from now the CPU will be the bottleneck. Any links please? A link would be nice you know as it seams all of this is coming from your a**. They could leave the same CPU, put a even better GPU(some other phone, not saying the N8 will not get the S4 update as only Nokia know that, not you Tom, not you boy) and I'll bet you the thing would run smooth still.
Tom: 'There should ring a bell for you here about what i'm talking about here.'
How about you ring a bell in a blender and tell SE to invest a little in their workers as they lack grammar skills.
Tom: 'Calling Symbian for a more open OS than Android is a pure lie. I will say Android is more open and better.'
And you are? Who are you to say that? If you post a link I'll believe you but to take your word for it is like buying a product just because the commercial said its 'future proof'. Nah, not buying it man. Try a little harder, get a dev friend to complement you of something.
Tom: 'And not only that, more and more developers are going from Symbian over to Android. Is that good enough evidence for you to realize that Symbian is not so good as you want it to be?.
Because if Symbian had been so good as you say it is, then why are developers running away from Symbian to Android now?.'
Oh, this is so rich I could not resist. Running away? Like in 'Run for the hills' from Iron Maiden? Here is a link to help you a little- http://nokiaexperts.com/symbian-39-market-share-2012/ The market share IS falling but it's STILL there and will be for a long time. Developers are not running away as you so drastically put it, they just have another market open. Do you think they would pass on such a huge user base of 130m devices that run Symbian? Do you think they cant code in java if they coded in C++ before and vice versa? If you see an app for Android do you think the same developer will not make a Symbian version? Man, come on, are you sure your not a bot?
Tom:'Yeah, you better hope that the current Symbian ^3 devices that are announced now will be able to run Symbian ^4 and the next OS'es after that.'
Stop it, they don't have to run the next OS BECAUSE the apps will be backwards compatible! Read a book, please! Help yourself to a wax job, something, anything to relieve the anxiety.
Tom:'Symbian ^3 will have good memory management?, yeah I'm sure it will have, but again, doesn't help to have a good phone with good memory management when the phone can't be supported any longer after 1 year or something like that. Don't you get that?.'
Again, you agree at first and then disagree with a statement thats so unfounded ist ridiculous. One year? My 2007 N82 still gets regular firmware updates as many other Nokia phones....just look at the 5800XM, thats how Nokia does it. But do they have faults? Of course, what manufacturer does not? But to say they will abandon the N8 is just a year is pure speculation, its unfounded, a lie, ill informed, and plain ignorant. The phone has everything you need what is yet to become mainstream....I will not spec the phone AGAIN.
And, lastly, I dare say that I would take my N82 over your X10 ANY day. Why? Because there is nothing I cant do with it. Its was the best mobile imaging device of 2008. I can change the look of the UI with shells, make it a Wi-Fi hot spot, play quake 3 on tv with BT mouse and keyboard at max settings (I did once just to try, not that of a games guy anymore) just to brag to friends, have total control of the file system (unlike the fruit company's joke of a phone) and well, anything else that comes to mind. Oh, and I cost me just 250euro in 2008 and I could sell it now for 100 euro and invest that money in N8 and would never look back.
Oh, and please, tell us more about how the N8 is a pathetic phone...last time I checked you paid premium for a phone that will have its full (and most importantly now paid for market price experience it latter), potential in Q4 xmas time this year, and, to TOP IT ALL, you will get a old OS update mainly the 2.1. You can just PRAY that the PETITION will come through and that you get 2.2 instead. Yes my friends, Tom paid premium for something that is yet to live up to its potential....why would anyone do that is beyond me. I, for one, would wait xmas time and buy it under 500 euro mark when it gets the update, or buy a phone now that has all the Android goodies, like the Nexus One. Sorry everyone for being negative, I just cant wrap my puny brain over the whole X10 idea.
But, Tom, really, don't mind me, I'm just talking jiberish anyway, or am I? ^_^
Anonymous, 02 Jun 2010i think n900 have better future proof support than X10.
U can install different kind of OS No... moreWell, if Nokia N900 can run more OS'es than just Maemo 5, then Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 for sure can do that to. It's just matter of time before XPERIA X10 can run Ubuntu, Maemo 5 even Symbian ^4 lol. It depends on when the XPERIA X10 gets rooted.
Once it's rooted there will be a totally new world for XPERIA X10 when it's about installing other OS'es.
If you want to be on a OS that most of the developers will work on to let you have the latest versions of applications and games, you need to go to Symbian ^4 and the next ones, since the developers will move on to the newer OS'es and make the programs and games to runs on that.
The older the OS gets the fewer developers are going to make programs and games for it.
And this is one of the good reasons why my XPERIA X10 is a good choice, because it will be on the latest OS for the next 2-3 years.
The dual-core 1.2 GHz Snapdragon CPU's are far from being marketing gimmick. Didn't you see that those CPU's are supporting 1080p recording and all that kind of stuffs?. And didn't you see what screen resolution the new CPU's are supporting.
And how much power do you think it's needed to be able to record in 1080p on a mobile phone?.
This alone should answer your question.
Well i wont directly call Nokia N8 for cheap either by the prices it have got so far. And still it have a crappy CPU.
In fact, XPERIA X10 here in Norway are actually a little cheaper than the iPhone is. But then, the iPhone is an overpriced Toys"R"Us mobile phone.
Yeah, you cares about that the phone can do all the things good and smooth when you have the phone, but you don't care about that the phone is getting abandoned after 1 year because it can't support Symbian ^4 and so on, because of the crappy hardware.
I only cares about to have a very powerfull mobile phone that can be used and updated with new OS'es for the next 2-3 years and still be extremely powerfull.
While you can only sit on Symbian ^3 on your Nokia N8, then i can sit on Android 4.0 and 5.0 in the future on my XPERIA X10.
How fun is it to sit on a mobile phone that can't use Symbian ^4 when we all who have powerfull mobile phones like XPERIA X10 can just moves on to the next OS'es the next 2-3 years?.
No thanks, i wont pay 420-440 euro for a mobile that gets outdated and abandoned in 1 year.
idk about the other people.when they think of nokia they think of black white screens and snake,when they think of a phone they think 3gs.idk whats so special about the 3gs.first made by forced kids in china.simple shape and crap cameras. all say is ...therws an app for that...that is pissing me off. now when i buy my n8.they will bow down to me...
i think n900 have better future proof support than X10.
U can install different kind of OS Not just an upgraded os like android 1.6 to 2.1 to 2.2.
If N8 run smooth and fast with symbian^3 without major bugs who needs Symbian^4. If N8 can be upgrade to Symbian^4 or ppl port symbian^4 to N8 it will be a bonus. Since symbian community is big im sure the community + nokia will make N8 the best mobile experience a user can have.
at some point the battle of process speed will stop.
Do we need dual core with 1.2ghz~2ghz speed on the phone or its just a marketing gimmick.
Can we use the processor to the fullest capabilities??
do we need to render 3d image on the phone??
do we need to play 3d games on the phone??
we already hv pc and game console to that.
thanks to nokia because nokia dont enter the Processor speed battle that going to make their device expensive.
i dont care if nokia still using 1ghz when other device use 2ghz to 3ghz as long as the job can be done. Cause nokia give us what we really need not what the trend needs.
thats was base on my opinion only. Since i have no IT knowledge at all.
Tom-Helge, 02 Jun 2010Ok, if you say that Android require so much out of the mobile phone, then why the hell are my ... moreTo use a phone is just for calling, taking photos, music n videos, and finally show off your friends the style of the new phone. Will you still love your phone after a new model comes? No, you will find something new - just like you are buying a car.
why im full of it, 02 Jun 2010And yet you say nothing about the lousy N8 CPU...disappointed, very. But nice to see you, and ... moreYeah i rather have a phone with Android 1.6 that can be upgraded to the next Android OS'es for the next 3 years instead of having a mobile phone with crappy hardware that isn't future proof.
And i don't want to go to an OS where the developers are running like crazy from now. They are going to Android or other mobile OS'es.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Slightly easier, still virtually impossible. At best S^4. Please remember though, S^3 will mak... more"Slightly easier, still virtually impossible. At best S^4. Please remember though, S^3 will make you very happy. "
too bad :(, and yeah, im totally fine with symbian IF made snappier :), just wanted more openingness to the OS, .. still symbian is as open as it gets compared to the rest of OS... let alone functionality, i too dont get the fuss about Andriod..
Enginner Man, 02 Jun 2010Tom - Helge is forgetting something. Android is not a light OS. It's very CPU, & memory in... moreOk, if you say that Android require so much out of the mobile phone, then why the hell are my Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 running Android 2.1 so good then?.
Look at it's specs here and explain to me why the X1 runs Android 2.1 really good and pretty smooth to: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x1-2246.php
The meme that Android needs alot of CPU power to run is dullsh*t.
You say Symbian is a light OS, yeah maybe it is, but saying Android is not a light OS when it runs perfectly on my XPERIA X1, then i think your a lying basta*d.
Yeah, about the GPU and the rendering on the N8, that's true. But rendering stuffs and running stuffs very fast is 2 different things. Get that into your head now.
The OS will be driven by the GPU since the UI effects goes via the GPU, well true, but still, the GPU doesn't controll how fast your device is. The GPU controlls how smooth your UI experience is going to be.
The next thing about the ARM11 things are not true. ARM11 is a very old CPU and can't run much compared to what Snapdragon can do. Why do you think Nokia N8 have to use the GPU so much to work good huh?.
On the next thing, yeah some of that is true, but doesn't help to have a fast working phone that goes smooth today when it will be outdated and abandoned in one year because the CPU is terribly and can't get support for the next Symbian OS'es.
There should ring a bell for you here about what i'm talking about here.
The new Snapdragon CPU is extremely better than the old architecture that the ARM11 CPU's are running on.
They are alot faster, use about the same power as the ARM11 CPU's, since the Snapdragon CPU's are manufactured with better technology than ARM11 was manufactured with.
You see, the AMD Athlon 64 X2 7850 Black Edition CPU i have in my computer now, use lesser power than the old AMD Athlon X2 4600+ CPU i had many years before i bought the AMD Athlon 64 X2 7850 Black Edition CPU.
And the AMD Athlon 64 X2 7850 Black Edition CPU owns the AMD Athlon X2 4600+ CPU inabsolutely everything, it's about 60-80% better than the AMD Athlon X2 4600+ CPU.
Do you know why?, because the CPU is manufactured with new technology and are produced in a much much better way. So they are much more powerfull and much more effective.
Symbian ^3 will have good memory management?, yeah i'm sure it will have, but again, doesn't help to have a good phone with good memory management when the phone can't be supported anylonger after 1 year or something like that. Don't you get that?.
Calling Symbian for a more open OS than Android is a pure lie. I will say Android is more open and better.
And not only that, more and more developers are going from Symbian over to Android. Is that good enough evidence for you to realize that Symbian is not so good as you want it to be?.
Because if Symbian had been so good as you say it is, then why are developers running away from Symbian to Android now?.
This should give you a hint.
Yeah, you better hope that the current Symbian ^3 devices that are announced now will be able to run Symbian ^4 and the next OS'es after that.
Because if not, then Nokia N8 for example will be the biggest joke of a mobile phone to spend 420-440 euro on ever.
Enginner Man, respect! I'm so lazy to write something as constructive as your comment below as it needs a lot of time and, frankly, we who love and use Symbian phones know that and are not interested in educating children nor are we convinced by marketing gimmicks as 'lifetime support'. Man, that statement alone made me laugh so hard I almost thanked Tom for pointing it out. 'Lifetime support' LOL.
Tom just has a pay check to collect so he NEEDS to ignore posts like yours as they go waaaaay beyond his minds comprehension. Mark also tried but, alas, failed as Tom is just that mad about that premium price he paid only to realize a Nokia mid-range phone would out-feature his SE 'flagship' by a large margin. For me, thats comedy. It's so funny, I cant white the smirk of my face while I'm writing this reply. Oh, and Tom, tell me and Enginner Man how lousy the ARM11 CPU from 2002 is...please, your reasoning is...is...hehehehehe
And yet you say nothing about the lousy N8 CPU...disappointed, very. But nice to see you, and again with the same comments. And you wait for something...special? Well, for 550euro it better be worth it, like the latest Android...but X10 owners are so mad about the whole os update thing some started a petition to make SE skip 2.1 and go for 2.2 instead. A PETITION! For 550 euro I must sign a petition because SE put donut os 1.6 in ther 'flagship'? WOW! I'll say it again as it's so unreal...WOW! But do tell me about the lifetime support some more, seams it will take literally that long to patch/update the thing...hehehhehehe
Tom - Helge is forgetting something. Android is not a light OS. It's very CPU, & memory ineffiecient, & consumes a lot of battery power. That's why Android devices need high specification requirements. Also Android is going there own way & are not fully closed source. Theres no privacy anymore if your an android owner & they make money just about over every spam, message, advertisment, everything the users do, they know.
Symbian, on the other hand is a light OS. What it does do well is being the most open source development program because it uses C++ which is well known & good environment & has lots of potential, a synch for most Mobile OS programmers & the community alike aswell as major third party corps will drop easily behind them & support them fully.
Symbian 3 will have limitations to 640x360, but this means the N8 will have a very good GPU capable of rendering 3D & 720P using direct hardware acceleration directly output to the screen at this resolution not using software synthesis algorithms etc.. etc..
Symbian doesn't need a fast CPU, apparently the CPU is down clocked from 720MHz or something similiar. 680Mhz is only needed for Multitasking & opening Apps, the rest of the 3D UI wil be GPU driven & this is a powerful GPU.
Whether you have snapdragon or a good quality ARM 11 CPU. ARM has always had the instruction set extensions, & arithmetic abilities to reach far beyond an Intel desktop chip at super low voltages lower than snapdragon. It can drive video gaming, encoding, playback of video, audio encoding. It's abilities to concker many different Multi tasking contents are excellent.
A SOC CPU relies very much on it's architecture, it's pipeline, cache, arithmetic, symmetry, calculations, instruction set extensions, design, & the performance of that architecture along with chipset & integrated memory controller & GPu which does much more than standard Desktop OS Chip. Snapdragon is a different different to ARM as an Intel is to AMD.
There is no basis to draw a line of conclusion between two mobile CPUs that a 1GHz CPU could outperform a slower CPU of lower Clock cycles of completely different Architecture. Since efficiencies here play a huge role as to which CPU can clearly finish processing an instruction first.
Symbian 3 will have huge memory management which will bring higher speed & performance improvementd along with refined Kernel, improved haptic, tactile, touch sensitivity, improved GUI with 3 Widget homescreens, simpler one touch click functions with menus offering more buttons & speedier access to anything. OS efficieny & speed to drive lower power lower clocked CPU's very well, can already do gaming well, video well.
Symbian doesn't need large frequency CPU's. Since the MHz is'nt the factor in speed. Symbian doesn't need large batteries because it's effcicient & uses lower power than Android.
It's a more open system with plenty of support. You will see Big GUI & 3D UI changes using GPU's. Symbian already has the largest market share & most sold ever devices & Nokia, Symbian realize the weak points of this OS. You will see a fantastic difference.
I'm sure Symbian 3 devices will have hardware support for later incarnations & the ability to update to newer versions of Symbian, plus it will have OVI plus devices running S^3, S^4 will be backwards compatible & it will be able to run apps made for Meego & Meamo. Symbian will then have a large app support base, community support base from meego & meamo, third party app dev support.
why I'm so full of i, 02 Jun 2010Tom, you are 26? Really? Yet you say something like 'then hahahahaha'....where are you from an... moreAnd i need to point this out also.
Yup, i will use my XPERIA X10 for 5 years and maybe more if i take really good care of the phone.
I had my Sony Ericsson S700i mobile phone for 6 years, and the phone is still working very good, except that the battery is a bit broken.
So if i just change the battery, i'm sure i can have S700i working for another 4 years at least.
So i can use a mobile phone from Sony Ericsson for 10 years if i take good care of the phones.
Well yeah, i'm just happy more and more can come here to read my points on why Nokia N8 is not a phone that is meant for the future. Or meant to last more than 1 year.
When i say meant to last more than 1 years max, i mean it will not be supported anylonger than that, and the phone will be abandoned because the hardware is so bad that they can't continue to support the phone with the newest Symbian OS'es that comes out from time to time.
And about that i spent 530 euro on my XPERIA X10, well you get what you pay for. You get an awesome mobile phone and you get lifetime support on the phone to, so it's worth every euro out of it.
And also, why wait 1 year so the price can sink 60% from what it's worth today. Do you really think i would buy the XPERIA X10 in 1 year when we have new mobile phones with the new dual-core 1.2 GHz Snapdragon CPU then?.
I still want a very high spec'ed mobile phone no matter what, so i have to use alot of money no matter when.
Yeah i have to wait on Android 2.1 on my XPERIA X10, but haven't you learned that those who wait for something, usually waits for something good :-).
And you say no radio to XPERIA X10?, ok so you mean this is not a radio i got with the package when i bought the XPERIA X10?: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mw600?cc=no&lc=en
Well nice try, but i didn't buy that at all.
Tom, you are 26? Really? Yet you say something like 'then hahahahaha'....where are you from anyway? In PC AND electronics since 17? You tell it like its for a medal. To me, and judging from your comments, you don't have the IT knowledge to take you seriously.
The XPERIA X1 has a 528MHz CPU and you stated it will be more than sufficient to run Android 2.2. The N8 clocks at 680MHz and you can OC it but lets leave it at that. Do you think, even for a moment, that Android will not be ported to N8 one day and make use of that beautiful GPU? Yes, it hurts but it will happen. Even the famous 5800XM got custom firmware. You see, what bugs me is WHY would I buy a phone(X10) that advertises features that are yet to be released? You will use it for 5 years? Nah, you wont man. But I can tell that you are having a blast writing it here. :) And, well, we all love it cuz you just make the N8 get that extra daily interest, total hits, votes and comments. Please, don't ever go away...I mean, at least stick around till the N8 comes out. Oh, look, just 65k colors and no 802.11n? Or will it come with the next firmware? Lol. Do you know how important having .11n is? I could write a 10 paper essay on it...but...don't like kids that much to care and teach. You paid 550euro? Really? Ouch! I don't spend money on something that will be worth 60% less a year latter, like your X10. You must hate yourself bad for buying a phone that has no HD video rec. hehehehe Yes, the fabled 2.1 update. hehehehe how long will you wait? One? Two months? Oh, look, Q4 2010. IT'S A LOUSY DEAL! I can't wait to get my N8 and use all of its nice and cheap features. OMG, no radio on X10? Oh, thats just rich! hahahahahaha(pun intended)
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Yeah good luck with getting updated Android versions for your HTC machine, since they have eve... moreSo your saying that because HTC want to make a nice UI that looks really really awesome, they will lose customers over that?.
I think more and more customers will go over to HTC or Sony Ericsson because they can make really nice UI's.
Because how the UI's looks today is an important thing to many oeoples today, and will have much to say on what phone they will choose. So that's why Android have nice UI's while having tons of modifications you can do with the OS / UI.
people, who ever wants to talk about x10 got to x10 page, who want to talk about iphone go for the iphone page, as it also goes for moto, samsung and etc... keep every page for it's main topic...
and instead of crying why n8 doesn't have android, leave it and get an android phone....
Symbian ^3 OS is a new software, no one can really know if it will be slow or it will run fast... so don't start judging based on ur ignorance that this n8 needs bigger processor, just wait for it to be released and try it, if u find it slow and u can't seem to handle it just sell it and get another phone...
and for the people who says n8 is outdated, have u ever seen a cam this big on some other phones??
does all phones have v 3.0 Bluetooth?
as for GPRS & EDGe Class 33.. does this looks outdated?
or the fact that it has usb OTG?
it also have an fm transmitter which is very rare on other cellphones...
it has a small battery and it still can play music for 50 hours.... that's much more than my ipod...
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n....
only haters think this phone is outdated or some retards who can read...
and one more thing, it has Anodized aluminum casing and not like what u people have written "plastic toy"...
waiting for this phone to be released so i can judge it after i use it, not just talk without having any idea about it or how it will perform...
if i used it and i found it slow or some way have flaws then i could start my complains... or i can just back switch to another phone or go back to my old ones...