Rajesh, 01 Jun 2010If you are from Indo you must have followed the trend of the mobile operators at the moment...... moreind? internet speed from 3G gsm provider in there is suck.u pay for 3G u've got only gprs speed,the promotion was great 3'5mb,but in real u've only got 30-60kbps.so no streaming on busway never dream bout it.4G? the LTE plans were held by the gov they said that the 3G were enough for people.grazy policy.thats why the country never grown.there are no cheap internet mobile,yes there r cable internet but its not cheap,and not speedy.dont forget crime rate.people buying phone only for trends like BB they never really using the push email instead only for call and sms and some FB.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Virtually impossible to do. There is really no point.wat about Meego, processor + Gpu, should be compatible :(
I have a question for all the super tech out there.
Can I erase the current OS on this phone and replace it with Windown Mobile 6.5?
Any advise on this would be greatly appreciated.
[deleted post]Firstly live in present. don't live in future. let first x10 get android 2.1 nd then speak abt 2.2, even sony dosen't knw when in q4 they gonna give 2.1 to x10. Nw live with ur x10 which crappy old-age android 1.6. Even with 1 ghz processor it lacks all the features. Even if u put all the latest technology of n8 into x10 it's 1ghz procesoor won't be able to handle it.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Tom,
A GPU does not make an Android device faster, since it is not HW accelerated. It does ... moreIt doesn't do that, sorry, the GPU is there to make sure things goes much much smoother, that's why you can run things via the GPU.
If the GPU controlls the speed of your device, that what the hell is the point of the CPU then?.
My XPERIA X10 can't run things via the GPU yet, and because of that, things wont go as smooth as other OS'es that runs things via the GPU, but one thing is sure, when it's about speed, the XPERIA X10 pwns the crap out of the Nokia N8 when it's about speed.
The speed you see from XPERIA X10 now while it have Android 1.6 is very slow, but still it's twice as fast as Nokia N8.
So how do you explain that?.
Tom-Helge, 01 Jun 2010First i will say that the reason why XPERIA X10 doesn't get any good benchmarks now is because... moreTom,
A GPU does not make an Android device faster, since it is not HW accelerated. It does for S^3 devices, GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD.
It is not the same. Android on the N8 specs would be terrible. It does not use that GPU. The GPU, or lack of GPU support in the UI layer of Android is the MAIN reason why it is still laggy at times.
Come on man, it is the 10th time I explain to you now. You are comparing scooters and trucks and then saying a bigger engine in the truck, so it must be faster....
Rajesh, 01 Jun 2010Mark, your knowledge revolves only around processor and thats it...you are not coming up with ... moreHi Rajesh,
Thanks for your post, much better than the swearing I saw last time.
Why I speak about the processor, is because it is the "2009" spec you are referring to. I know the ARM 11 in N8 would perform very poorly in an Android device. I also know A8 is faster, and A9 will be faster again. That is not the point, the point is, it is all about user experience.
The user experience is defined by how responsive the UI is. As opposed to Android ( which I like) S^3 uses extensive hw acceleration for the UI. The CPU in the N8 has very little to do compared to the CPU in an Android device. I think that shows the strength of the software, and not the inability of Nokia to produce something better specced. It is a good choice I think, it saves battery life. That is a big problem in Android devices now, exactly for this reason.
Also, please not that the GPU (which is really very important in this HW / SW set up) is actually very strong, and has been maxing out benchmarks consistently.
The N8 has a weaker CPU, a strong GPU and an OS that is perfect for such a set up. Why on earth would this be bad then? Surely, maxing out GL benchmarks is not 2009? Surely, being significantly faster than an A8 running 8910 is not being 2009? It is actually fundamental software progress.
I think we will see better specced phones come still from Nokia. MeeGo device will run the ST Ericssion U8500 chip, allowing 1080 p 3d gaming.
Nokia knows hardware like no other company, they just chose to use these parts for this mid range device, because it makes perfect sense.
Unless, of course, they enter it in a CPU mhz competition. But you know, consumers do not do that. They care about responsiveness.
I wont respond to your response until tomorrow, off to a party now.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Really, Tom, first I was amazed, now you just crack me up, spending entire days writing subjec... moreFirst i will say that the reason why XPERIA X10 doesn't get any good benchmarks now is because of Android 1.6.
Ask me the same question when it have Android 2.2.
And the thing that Nokia N8 will outsell XPERIA X10, well lets see. How many more devices of XPERIA X10 do you think Sony Ericsson will sell before Nokia N8 is out?.
But again, you can't decide how good a device is by looking at how many units that have been sold. Because you know, iPhone sells quite alot, while being the crappiest smart phone in the world now.
So that point is moot and not valid at all.
All i hear from you guys is that oooooh ooooooh the GPU is everything in the Nokia N8. Again, a damn GPU can't controll how fast your device is. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.
This is like saying that yeah, my computer have an old AMD Athlon X2 4600+ CPU, but it have a Radeon 5870 GPU.
That means the GPU can run the games like Crysis Warhead and the games that comes out in the future, but can the CPU run the games like Crysis Warhead and so on without stutterling like crazy?.
The development of the mobile OS'es and mobile phones are going fast forward now, and it will be the same with both apps and games on mobile phones. So things will get much much faster and will require butt load more out of your device.
If you don't get this into your head, you simply don't know much about technology and mobile phones. End of story.
Then to you yourself. You say to me that i can't read or respond?. Oh so your saying all of those i'm discussing with here can reply and respond any better?.
I can tell you that all i see and hear from them are just whining and crying because i have proven them wrong in most things. And then can't do anything to prove me wrong.
I'm still waiting for the facts against my facts.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Really, Tom, first I was amazed, now you just crack me up, spending entire days writing subjec... moreMark, your knowledge revolves only around processor and thats it...you are not coming up with something new...you have a look what GSM arena has posted about Qualcomm processors and what is going to be the fate of present ones is a anybodys judjement. The fact is N8 is going to have a terribly short life and will shred its value in terms of pricing very very fast. Even faster than the proccessor speed it carries. By the end of the year people will be expecting S4 with new line up of processors in Mobiles of all major companies including Nokia. whatever you have to say about traingles, GPU etc etc will not be even looked at by the end of 2010.
Like in case of E72, Nokia delayed its launch by atleast 4 months...what happend to it...though its a Qwerty device with fastest processor it lost its 40% commercial value in just 3 months.
You may praise the hardware of N8 but the point is it wont be the best option when Nokia will launch it unless Nokia goes ahead and launch it next week. By the end of 3rd Quarter of 2010 you will see loads of new models on the net and mind you Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung and every company is working on it. And above all 4G will be the added advantage...
You keep speaking about processor it wont lead you anywhere...you will stay where you are and N8 will stay where it is supposed to stay...You cant change the pace of technological advancement...its is furiously speeding its way with time...today will be history in few months and new technology will be the story in months to come...
Thats why I said N8 is 2009 device....
Tom-Helge, 01 Jun 2010I know what i'm talking about. With a CPU from stoneage with 680 MHz and with a poor RAM that ... moreReally, Tom, first I was amazed, now you just crack me up, spending entire days writing subjective dribble here. Honest question here, does your Android sporting X10 max out any benchmarks lately? I appreciate your energy, but it seems this is a paid job, and what worse, you deliberately choose not to understand technology. There you go again with your "big programs" etc, and NO GPU in your reasoning anywhere. You DO know the one in your phone is relatively poor no? And you DO know that better games will require this. A more efficient Dalvik is not going to change that, because it does not matter. Why do you insist on stating the obvious (lower spec CPU) while ignoring the much more interesting and important GPU. After all both games and the gui are hw accelerated. It is incredibly important. Why do you leave such things out of your reasoning?
I can tell you one thing, whatever it is you say about the N8, or even your precious X10, the NOKIA N8 will outsell the X10 by a factor of 5 tot 10, at least. Let the consumer decide on its merits, as we are obviously not fit to have a grown up discussion here. The consumers have already decided on what they think of Sony, Ericsson and SE in the past. (I happily used one of those tiny Ericsson T28 (?) in the past)
Anonymous, 01 Jun 2010I think the N8 specs can run most of the apps i need quite well and after seeing some videos i... moreOfc the Nokia N8 will run things in Symbian ^3 good. But what i'm trying to tell that you guys don't want to see is that when me that have an XPERIA X10 have Android 1.6 today, then i can run the Android OS'es that comes out in 2 years.
Can the Nokia N8 run Symbian ^4 or ^5?. No it can't after the statements that have been given so far.
And because Nokia N8 can't run any newer OS'es than Symbian ^3, then what happens?.
Yes, the Nokia will be so outdated and poor in 2 years that it's not even funny to think about that.
XPERIA X10 have future proof hardware specs that is meant to be able to run Android OS'es in the future. And on top of that, be able to run programs and games that require much much more out of your device that time than it does today.
Get it now?.
Tom-Helge, 01 Jun 2010I know what i'm talking about. With a CPU from stoneage with 680 MHz and with a poor RAM that ... moreI think the N8 specs can run most of the apps i need quite well and after seeing some videos in youtube, i think the speed is much better than my expectation.
With the superb camera function is just a irresistible plus point.
I think this phone can last me more than 2 years.
After two years i will buy a another another phone.
In short, i will just buy this phone :)
Tom, I'm so buying the N8...tell me again how lame is the CPU...and, please, don't forget the about the lousy battery.
I sent an email to T.Dickson requesting he uses the X10 next time with the iblend function. :)
guys... this thing have become a crazy circus...
leave ur fight aside... or get the hell out of here...
Dev, 01 Jun 2010You are clueless about the performance of application based no same SDK as that of OS. Once th... moreI know what i'm talking about. With a CPU from stoneage with 680 MHz and with a poor RAM that only have 256 MB, you can't expect much out of the Nokia N8 in comparsion to what you can get out of a device with a 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU and 512 MB RAM.
Those phones with the Snapdragon CPU and 512 MB RAM can run extremely big programs and games that require a butt load out of your device.
And on top of that, it's future proof for programs that comes out in the future that require alot more out of your device.
Doesn't help what you say. The CPU Nokia N8 use is going to prevent it from being future proof and it will only work with Symbian ^3 after what some sites have said so far.
So i rather have a phone that will be as good in 2 years as it is today.
Now, imagine if Symbian ^3 is the only OS the Nokia N8 can run, then imagine how damn poor the Nokia N8 is in 2 years while the devices i use for example that is an XPERIA X10 will still be doing very good in 2 years because it can run on OS'es that comes out that time that are totally new and have a crap ton of awesome features that Nokia N8 users only can dream to have.
And not only that, but most application / game developers use to move on to newer OS'es so they will only support newer OS'es on their programs and so on.
So what are you gonna do with the Nokia N8 in 2 years that can't do nothing compared to the phones / OS'es that comes out in 2 years?.
And not only that, devices with this CPU might come out right after Nokia N8 is released: http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-1703.php
And how badly do you think the Nokia N8 is going to look / be for the future then?.
I hope you see now why i'm so against Nokia N8 in this case.
[deleted post]You are clueless about the performance of application based no same SDK as that of OS. Once the OS is well optimized to CPU, a native application or game for the matter should deliver same performance without any lags or sort of stuff unless its poorly built without keeping attention to optimization of it with resourses and OS. I agree that Nokia Symbian^1 devices are quite laggy while playing HD games but lag is wholly due to insufficient RAM. Now N8 have got double the RAM, powerfull enough processor, HW acceleration, huge NAND flash etc, so with all this it would be very premature to say device will lag while playing/running heavy stuff. Take efforts to see reviews about gaming on N8. You can see Need for Speed (shift) playing flawlessly on device. Game developers pointed out that it was mainly possible because of optimization with Symbian^3 and its resourses. Hope you get what I am trying to point out.
As I have been saying 1 Ghz to 1.5 Ghz processor with loads of new technology on the way and above that 4G will be the story of early 2011 and rest will be history.
Nokia 600 or 680 mhz processors will be seen in sub 200$ handsets. Agree or not agree, my crystal ball will keep updating you all.
You can read about new Qualcomm processors on front page of GSM Arena
Rajesh, 01 Jun 2010Hi Tom, how are you doing...let me tell you something...these people on this site are living w... moreHeh, good answer. Yeah i agree.
And to you again Dev.
Well, when someone is trying extremely hard to prove me wrong without giving facts or proofs of what they are saying, then what do you expect?. Ofc i will come back to tell them to shut up instead of lying so they can give us some facts and proofs instead.