Tom, you are 26? Really? Yet you say something like 'then hahahahaha'....where are you from anyway? In PC AND electronics since 17? You tell it like its for a medal. To me, and judging from your comments, you don't have the IT knowledge to take you seriously.
The XPERIA X1 has a 528MHz CPU and you stated it will be more than sufficient to run Android 2.2. The N8 clocks at 680MHz and you can OC it but lets leave it at that. Do you think, even for a moment, that Android will not be ported to N8 one day and make use of that beautiful GPU? Yes, it hurts but it will happen. Even the famous 5800XM got custom firmware. You see, what bugs me is WHY would I buy a phone(X10) that advertises features that are yet to be released? You will use it for 5 years? Nah, you wont man. But I can tell that you are having a blast writing it here. :) And, well, we all love it cuz you just make the N8 get that extra daily interest, total hits, votes and comments. Please, don't ever go away...I mean, at least stick around till the N8 comes out. Oh, look, just 65k colors and no 802.11n? Or will it come with the next firmware? Lol. Do you know how important having .11n is? I could write a 10 paper essay on it...but...don't like kids that much to care and teach. You paid 550euro? Really? Ouch! I don't spend money on something that will be worth 60% less a year latter, like your X10. You must hate yourself bad for buying a phone that has no HD video rec. hehehehe Yes, the fabled 2.1 update. hehehehe how long will you wait? One? Two months? Oh, look, Q4 2010. IT'S A LOUSY DEAL! I can't wait to get my N8 and use all of its nice and cheap features. OMG, no radio on X10? Oh, thats just rich! hahahahahaha(pun intended)
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Yeah good luck with getting updated Android versions for your HTC machine, since they have eve... moreSo your saying that because HTC want to make a nice UI that looks really really awesome, they will lose customers over that?.
I think more and more customers will go over to HTC or Sony Ericsson because they can make really nice UI's.
Because how the UI's looks today is an important thing to many oeoples today, and will have much to say on what phone they will choose. So that's why Android have nice UI's while having tons of modifications you can do with the OS / UI.
people, who ever wants to talk about x10 got to x10 page, who want to talk about iphone go for the iphone page, as it also goes for moto, samsung and etc... keep every page for it's main topic...
and instead of crying why n8 doesn't have android, leave it and get an android phone....
Symbian ^3 OS is a new software, no one can really know if it will be slow or it will run fast... so don't start judging based on ur ignorance that this n8 needs bigger processor, just wait for it to be released and try it, if u find it slow and u can't seem to handle it just sell it and get another phone...
and for the people who says n8 is outdated, have u ever seen a cam this big on some other phones??
does all phones have v 3.0 Bluetooth?
as for GPRS & EDGe Class 33.. does this looks outdated?
or the fact that it has usb OTG?
it also have an fm transmitter which is very rare on other cellphones...
it has a small battery and it still can play music for 50 hours.... that's much more than my ipod...
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n....
only haters think this phone is outdated or some retards who can read...
and one more thing, it has Anodized aluminum casing and not like what u people have written "plastic toy"...
waiting for this phone to be released so i can judge it after i use it, not just talk without having any idea about it or how it will perform...
if i used it and i found it slow or some way have flaws then i could start my complains... or i can just back switch to another phone or go back to my old ones...
Nokia using Samsung interesting..
Samsung AMoled being used by everyone. Wow its like a hot girl being used by guys that are desperate for
hotness and status
htc-Quietly Brillian, 01 Jun 2010I love Nokia. I will be honest, this phone is also great in my eyes, but the thing that pulls ... moreYeah good luck with getting updated Android versions for your HTC machine, since they have even more work to do for Sense UI than SE. That is so bad for consumers.
Anonymous, 01 Jun 2010How can you just say all this about the N8 without even trying a working model yourself? Remem... moreNokia N900 will have a much longer lifetime than the Nokia N8, simply because the hardware in the N900 is much more powerfull than the hardware that are in the N8.
And i don't need to try a Nokia N8 to understand how technology works today.
Anyone can looks at a computers hardware specs and judge it out of that.
Then again. this version of Symbian looks a touch better than the last one, eager to see what it will turn out to be, although I'm still buying my htc Desire! :|
I love Nokia. I will be honest, this phone is also great in my eyes, but the thing that pulls me away is Symbian. Symbian is just far behind Android, Android has the customization and little features that make it such a great OS. Nokia needs to step their game up with Symbian, loosen it up a little, Symbian is literally a bit too 'stiff' in terms of customization, It is basically the same thing early Nokias had, but with a touch interface. Android is the reason htc phones have won me over. Hoping to see Nokia improve symbian in their next few phones, Majorly.
[deleted post]N8 is 2008 device. Upgrade package only of Nokia 5800.
Tom-Helge, 01 Jun 2010First i will say learn to speak English. And no your wrong. The XPERIA X10 is capable of do... moreHow can you just say all this about the N8 without even trying a working model yourself? Remember how the N900 surprised everyone. The N8 might do the same, so just wait til it is released and then you can pass judgement
goron goron, 01 Jun 2010cmon tom how can u'll be so sure bout X10 will got android 3? my P910 M600i never got any upda... moreHow i know XPERIA X10 will get Android 3.0?.
Well lifetime support is lifetime support no matter how you want that to be.
I have been promised alot of stuffs from Sony Ericsson in all of those years i have used their products.
And guess what, then have ALWAYS given me the things they have promised.
Now, how can you prove that to be wrong?.
When they have given me all of the promises to now, then they will still be giving me the things they always promise. I believe them now after so many years. And it would be a disaster for them to lie about something they promise.
Simply because alot of customers would be really pissed off about that then. And that's not doing business. That's losing cutomers and money in the long run.
Ofc, Sony Ericsson needs more money when they make new phones and that, but we have already payed so much for our XPERIA X10 that the lifetime support is worth it on the XPERIA X10.
And no, as long i can run everything smooth and very fast in 2-3 years, then the phone is not outdated that way.
Nokia N8 is already outdated before it's released since it most likely can't run Symbian ^4 lol.
How fail is that?.
In 2 years, then Symbian ^3 is long gone and forgotten and no one will make any programs for it. And while i can run a new and updated OS in 2 years where every developers are supporting the new OS, so i'll get all of the nice applications and that kind of stuffs then on my XPERIA X10.
This is what i'm trying to tell. Nokia N8 have already lost and been outdated the day Symbian ^4 is released.
Ofc Nokia N8 will runs nice and smooth today, but that doesn't help much for the future.
It's best to try it before you buy it, not just fiddling around for a few minutes, but play it untill you can see its normal performance.
Aseem, 01 Jun 2010Firstly live in present. don't live in future. let first x10 get android 2.1 nd then speak abt... moreFirst i will say learn to speak English.
And no your wrong. The XPERIA X10 is capable of doing quite alot of things as long the OS can deliver all of that kind of stuffs to the XPERIA X10.
And no, i rather have an old crappy OS that can be upgraded later on the X10 instead of having hardware that is so old on the N8 that it can't even run the next OS that is being released by Symbian at the end of this year lol.
And i have to lol at you for the statement you gave about the 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU there.
That made my day.
And hani, if someone needs that kind of stuffs, it's you. Because when you see what kind of replies that comes from you here. Then yeah.
Don't speak to high when your as bad as it can get your self.
And if you call that for a good reply back, then hahahahahaha.
And to you Tom. I'm 26 years old and i have been working with computers and all kinds of electronics since i have been 17-18 years old.
Ok, to your questions.
1. Yes the GPU is fast on the Nokia N8, but that doesn't mean the games that comes out in the future will be as good as that because of the crappy CPU.
You know, games gets developed further and games comes with better graphics and higher CPU requirements, like games do on computers. And when the CPU can't compete anylonger, it's over and out.
Nokia N8 is a good camera phone and a good gaming phone, get that?, and that's all about the phone.
Now try to run a CPU benchmark program on the different phones and you will see what i'm trying to explain here.
2. I know the XPERIA X1 isn't fast, but still it's running Android 2.1 pretty damn fast. Doesn't that tells you anything about how little CPU power Android needs to run good?.
I know pretty good that the XPERI X10 beats the Nokia N8 extremely hard in CPU power and on how fast the phone is.
By looking on the YouTube videos of the Nokia N8 now, i can alone by that see that my XPERIA X10 is 2-3 times faster than the Nokia N8.
You better hope the final version of the N8 gets way faster than it have been showing on those YouTube videos so far.
And no, sorry, an old CPU like the Nokia N8 have can't come close to how fast the Snapdragon CPU is, it's not even close by a mile.
Even if the OS in the Nokia N8 might run as fast as my XPERIA X10 with Android 1.6, it doesn't mean everything else in the phone will run that fast.
And there is also another thing you don't get. Even if Nokia N8 would be faster than my XPERIA X10, it will be for nothing when the N8 will be outdated and old in 1 year because it can't run on the next Symbian, while i can run all of the Android releases for the next 2-3 years and maybe more.
So what would you choose, a phone that runs fast now, but have so poor hardware that it can't even run the next version of Symbian, or a phone that have a future proof CPU and other hardware so it can run the next OS'es for the next 2-4 years very good?.
I think the answer here is pretty easy.
Simply, i don't care on how much gaming performance or how fast the Nokia N8 is now today when it can't even run the next Symbian OS that will come out at the end of this year as the rumours says.
Do you know what happens when it's like that?, Nokia will abandon the phone and just give it bug / error fixes some few times here and there. While we who have a phone like XPERIA X10, will get fully support on our phones and will get the newest OS'es that gets released for the next 2-4 years.
When i'm paying 530 euro for a phone, i will enjoy it longer than 1 year.
And when it's about me, i'm very carefully with my phones, so my phones usually lasts for 5-6 years.
See now why a Nokia N8 is a very very bad choice for phone users like me?.
[deleted post]cmon tom how can u'll be so sure bout X10 will got android 3? my P910 M600i never got any update till 2years?? dont fool anyone pls.
all the things u've been said here only base on ur asumption.most of SE fans know that SE support on their phone is not as gud as ur boast.thats why SE almost nail down last 2 years.try to survive on mobile phone battle.
there are no way that u can judge N8 speed before u try it.dont base ur judgement base on ur asumption.
u never even touch N8 or sym 3 so u dont know anything bout it too.just wait for GSMarena review bout the phone than it is fair to judge the speed.
N8 ROM is 512 so i think it is big enough to flash it with future software.
it have GPU too so UI is not a prob
CPU is fast enough for modern phone,like i said it before 5800xm can survive it with only 434 cpu clock and without GPU.
the future of a mobile phone is bout 2 or 3 years and the next 2 or 3 years ur X10 will be outdated too.every month mobile company always lauch a new phone with greater specs so after 2 or 3 years ur X10 will be underpowered by new X bla bla bla series from SE too.
basicly it is useless too buy a phone and planning that ur phone will among the best forever.there will be a new king every year always.and X10 is never going to be a king.
and dont forget it is a phone not religion or cult so buy it whatever u need and dont listen too someone who try to make u regret what u have been purcase.
if u buy X10 u will have the android,no radio,no GPS software,u have to port ur ext memory for apps intallation,and dont forget it will cancelled ur warrant and it might brick ur phone too.
if u buy N8 u will have usb otg,ovi map,gud multitask,hdmi port,dolby,radio.
dont worry bout speed mhz doesnt tell anything bout UI speed,just trust the mobile review or ask someone who already try it or u can try it ur self before u buy it.
Mark, 01 Jun 2010Virtually impossible to do. There is really no point.Hey Mark, you handled that SE paid sick a very well. Hope he close his shop soon. Tom, are you listening? I have something to say; don't force your opinions too badly that everyone start hating you. People are wise enough to choose their device.
Ali Abdulla, 01 Jun 2010wat about Meego, processor + Gpu, should be compatible :(Slightly easier, still virtually impossible. At best S^4. Please remember though, S^3 will make you very happy.
Tom-Helge, 01 Jun 2010It doesn't do that, sorry, the GPU is there to make sure things goes much much smoother, that'... moreThis is a serious question, how old are you, and what background do you have in this technology?
You really have no idea what you are talking about my friend. Ill leave the lecturing, because you are a terrible pupil, but I will leave you with a simple proposition for you to think about.
1 - If the N8 with lower CPU specs has much higher benchmarks than an also symbian sporting 8910, how is this possible? ? The 8910 has a much newer and faster CPU... check this link:
The line in red is the most important one. You can actually see how the CPU in the 8910 is stronger, but that does not translate into higher fps for the interface, or better acceleration AT ALL.
Or read the mobile-review forum for more in depth analysis.
The answer to the above question is GPU & Hardware Acceleration. It is the most demanding task in a phone. By far. Which is why 20 dollar phones can make phones calls just as well. It is all about the graphics, whether it is OS effects, 3D games, you name it. Every nice thing about Android, movement, fluidity, is all GPU stuff that now needs to be handled by the CPU.
2 - You cannot possible know if the X1 or X10 is faster than the N8 because we have no suitable cross platform benchmark we can employ, and judging from the X10 I played with, I highly doubt it. Anyway, untill we can run lets say, need for speed shift, optimized for both devices, against each other and compare frame rates, we will not know for sure. We can use other tests as well, decoding, moving in storage, video output, but now, it is impossible to tell. The fact that you think you can state the X10 is faster is hilarious and makes you a fanboy. And a poor one at that sorry to say.
CPU in itself does not say anything about speed of operation. The reason why your phone will be faster if it ever gets 2.2 is the same reason why this N8 might well be snappier than your X10.
You seem to be stuck in a old fashioned mode, and have no idea of what ceteris paribus means in testing.
You are talking out of your ass sir. You really are.
Now, give me numbers to disprove the points above, give me links to solid research that contradicts me or show me benchmarks of the things you state and as it related to the N8. If not, eat humble pie.
Rajesh, 01 Jun 2010If you are from Indo you must have followed the trend of the mobile operators at the moment...... moreind? internet speed from 3G gsm provider in there is suck.u pay for 3G u've got only gprs speed,the promotion was great 3'5mb,but in real u've only got 30-60kbps.so no streaming on busway never dream bout it.4G? the LTE plans were held by the gov they said that the 3G were enough for people.grazy policy.thats why the country never grown.there are no cheap internet mobile,yes there r cable internet but its not cheap,and not speedy.dont forget crime rate.people buying phone only for trends like BB they never really using the push email instead only for call and sms and some FB.