i have no problem with my n78 fm transmitter. what do you expect? ...that it will broadcast your music in the entire city? it works up to 3 meters. good enough to listen to the songs stored in my phone in our home stereo system wirelessly. and for the record, n85 as reviewed in some russian site has been reported to have the same fm transmitter performance as n78. it loses signal in longer distances. so, n78 and n85 are just equal in this field. about the fp2 thing, n78 is quite buggy but i'm sure new firmware releases are on the way to aid that. even n96 which is the nth fp2 device now is still buggy! fp2 is not only about menu transitions! n81 may already have that themes effect ala fp2 but i doubt that will have the full fp2 suite! there are so many improvements done on fp2 to make this user interface fully usable. you'll never see it until you get to have a true fp2 device! do most consumers like me care about market niche at all? n78 does everything your n81 can do and even a whole lot more! lack of accelerometer doesn't hinder this phone to be used in landscape mode either. just when i bought this phone, its price was even lower than n81 8gb's price and i can surely say that this was a very wise decision and great deal to buy this phone, knowing that it has everything n81 has plus all other features that makes a true smartphone complete! the only things n81 has over n78 are just minor details. i can get away without them anyway! my point is buying this phone when its price fell dramatically 2 weeks ago is really a smart decision considering that there were a lot of other more expensive handsets that offer less functionalities. but anyway, you can't buy it at 290 dollars anymore because its price has gone up to 370 dollars now!
n78 design is the best, n82 looks very cheap in the plastic all over it! N81 has this light leak everywhere!
N78 has all of the best N-series features : 3.2 MP Carl zeiss auto focus cam, WLan, GPS, Fm transmitter, too loud stero speakers, fast bluetooth, 1200ma battery, 3g, navi wheel, light sensor, up to 8gb memory card! Symbian os 9.3 feature pack 2 which a whole new world in the gallery!! has n-gage support that will be realsed soon by the time those two devices n79 n85 realsed!
So no other device has all those features!
It have it all except TV OUT ONLY!
So it can be ALL IN ONE DEVICE!
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It needs a new frimeware because it cannot handle the multi tasking as good n81! The REAL PLAYER cannot stream videos, cannot replay videos!!!
JUST A NEW FRIMWARE IS NEEDED TO BECOME THE ULTIMATE NSERIES DEVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some ppl say that its keypad is not comfort !LMAO
i have written this review on it!i have been this oeuvre for two months!
Tsepz, 28 Sep 2008Dan
5700XM is a great device. I was looking at getting one mid-last year until the N81 was an... moreThanks. I was thinking of getting the n85, but i heard it wasnt as loud as n81. Am not sure how true that is. I saw the n85 review at mobile-review. Its total harmonic distortion didnt look too good; it might affect the bass effect negatively. If thats the case then its n81 for me. I really enjoyed the little time i spent with it plus its much cheaper. I dont need a gps and there's no hspda over here. The wi-fi hotspots are starting to increase.
Anyway, i will wait for the gsmarena n85 review before making my final buying decision.
5700XM is a great device. I was looking at getting one mid-last year until the N81 was announced, then i waited until December and bought my N81. Ive now got a N81 and SE K850 and may get a iPhone3G this December, but my N81 remains my workhorse, its such reliable device, truly Multimedia Computer. A phone like N78 with missing Music Keys yet is supposed to be an allrounder certainly is bad news.
Exactly what Dan said. At the time when the N81 was announced a GPS was mainly made for the very top end devices such a HTC TyTN-II, N95, N82, E90, Samsung i780, Etc. . . These were the very premium devices, the N81 was/is aimed at the 18-25yearld who doesnt need a GPS AND doesnt care for a high quality camera, but wants a device thats primarily made HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE wise for Music, and Gaming, the N81 does extremely well in these, its a typical Nseries thats aimed at a certain niche, and performs well in it but at the same time due it being a Music and Gaming phone its extra amount of keys become useful in more apps, and enables us N81 users to comfortably use this device in the orientation you like.
The NOKIA 6220c should have been named N78, and the N78 that we see now should have never been made.
The N78 is just pointless, in my country both N82 and N78 dont differ that much in price. Why get a N78 when you can have a N82 which has the great Camera, plus GPS, then get N81 if you dont need those. Simple. The N79 and N85 could have nicely introduced the FM Transmitter. But i guess NOKIA needed a device that was going to be used as a Market Test Unit for FP2,and FM Transmitter. Well done N78 users you are the guinea pigs, il get a N85 or N79 thats stable, has a good FM Transmitter, stable and even better FP2, AND even better GPS, Camera and Build Quality all at your expense. Thanx guys.
mark, 28 Sep 2008to Tsepz: That's what you think. You know what I think? I think you've been thinking a little ... moreSymbian fp2 mainly improves on visual transitions, not functionality. N81 has updates that give these transitions. Another issue on n78 is that it has far too many bugs. Yes, it is still new, but other fp2 and even fp1 phones didnt have as many bugs when they came out.
The n78 may have a better camera and gps (which most people dont use), but thats it. And besides, why put so many things in a handset if your construction is so bad? People who pay over 200euros expect a solid handset. If they experience any unwanted moving parts before buying, they will most likely leave the phone alone no matter what kind of technology it has. In the case of the n78, its major basics are just too weak. It gets even harder because it doesnt target any particular audience. Its just a basic all-rounder thats got everything, but doesnt deliver properly on all fronts. It wont be craved for any particular reason. Other n-series devices go for a particular audience, like n82-photography, n81-music and games, n79-fashion, n96-music and video, etc. To be honest, n78 isnt particularly strong in any of these sectors.
And besides, n81 is a year old. How can you compare a one year old handset to one that hasnt even lasted 6 months? How many n-series handsets at the time had things like gps? This phone was considered one of the best n-series of the last year (behind n82 and n95/n95 8gb).
dam good mobile .woarth than n96.does not hang even when fuffly loaded with programs.graphics just soooo good.the best mobie i ever had.hope next time they increase the screen size to 2.8 inches
oranges and mark: I agree with both of you.. I mean, who would even compare n81 to n78...
yeah I agree..
add the fm transmitter..
If for you, the " GPS, fm transmitter, and 3.2 mpx carl zeiss camera" are poorly implemented gimmicks.
then the " no gps, no fm transmitter, mere 2 mpx camera" would surely sound awful. It doesn't even sound nseries to me... Agree?
well well well... let's just check on what you said again..
cam of n78 not good? GPS not good? what else would you like to add?
for the nth time, that is what you think.... Where ate your sources? nowhere! You know what, everyone could easily bash n78 and say those things, but can't prove em.. Too bad, you're one of those suckas..
Talking about sources, I've got mine.. I can easily contradict your statements that n78 camera and gps are not good. I can easily show you're wrong no sweat. Everyone else, please read the n78 review REGARDING the camera and the GPS of n78 and try to think over what this guy is talking about...
FM transmitter isn't even part of the issue but since you pulled on that thread, here's what I have to say... You are completely not into yourself, How could you think that way when it is the only nokia handset to released to date that offers such a feature. Does the n81 have such?
You said 3.2 mpx cam of n78 and GPS receiver are a " lot of poorly implemented gimmicks". If those are poorly implemented gimmicks then what does "2mpx cam, No gps receiver" sound to you? a winner over n78? I really don't think so.
What the n81 only has over the n78 are the gaming keys and I don't give a damn..
The difference between us is that you are making your own self-proclaimed statements while I have something to base what I say on.
Just because the N78 has a GPS, FM Transmitter and 3.2mp camera doesnt make it more fun,just makes it have more poorly implemented gimmicks.
The FM Transmitter in real life use DOES NOT have a good signal
The GPS is not that great at locking on to a satelite like my Nuvi.
The 3.2mp camera is the worst in its class with a much smaller lens, and with that said how is it more fun with its trashy build quality? The N78 has to be held portrait get the best experience whereas a N81 can be in any orientation.
The results i posted are from a N78 with latest FW and N81 with its very 1st buggy V10 FW yet it was still better.
In terms of software what the N78 has N81 can, N81 already has FULL Menu Transitions and Effects, the Navi-wheel thats right the hardware is now enabled in more apps. Fact of the matter, N81 is far more fun, with its hardware (Music Keys and Gaming Keys) atleast i can add a Bluetooth GPS reciever and have a better GPS, i can also add an FM Transmitter they dont cost much and the camera, if i wanted a great camera i would have gotten a N82 and not a crap N78 half baked 3.2mp which is making Carl Zeiss look bad. Everything the N78 has is half done,and half works then crashes, the N81 AS a Music, Gaming, Web, Multitasking and Video device is excellent, as said its aimed at Gaming and Music and does them THE BEST, yet N78 is not the the best at anything nor was it meant to be, its just a bunch of cheap chips slappd together in the cheapest way and offered to the suckas who buy it.
to Tsepz: That's what you think. You know what I think? I think you've been thinking a little too impractical. The n78 firmware is still buggy and you should've considered that. However, that can still be fixed. But the lack of good camera, gps, symbian 9.3 won't get fixed in the n81. Now watch gonna say? Anyway, The hell I care about the missing gaming keys... Look at what the n81 misses, good camera and a gps, Your gaming keys ain't gonna make up for that.
KCostas, 17 Sep 2008That's not true. Lg for camera and touch screen, N81 for everything else!thanx dude...........for helping me ........
no matter what you say and whatever statistics you present, n78 is one of the best nseries! it's based on actual user experience and not just looking on specs! and i am just so lucky that i've got this phone at a very low bargain price 2 weeks ago, because n78's price is now going up. i think because the demand for this phone is now increasing. and for your information, this phone can be used in landscape mode with just a press of a button. your n81's music, gaming and lock keys do not compensate for the lack of better camera, gps, hsdpa, fm transmitter, real fp2 user interface which are all present in n78. and even if you boasts your li-polymer battery, that ain't still going to beat n78's battery life! and are you sure n78 will be stucked with buggy firmware? it's just a fresh device. i'm sure nokia will fix its bugs in the next firmware release. this phone is so much worth than n81! don't even try to compare them! you can compare it with n82, but not with n81, for heaven's sake!
Anonymous, 28 Sep 2008n81 is not the best music phone! it doesn't even have a proper equalizer! n81 is for young peo... moreThe n78 is not as 'fun' as you say. I had a chance to play with a few phones for a few days. The n81, n82, n78 and 6210 navigator. When it comes to the n78, its missing multimedia keys for gaming and music, it has software issues like the restarts (which i found irritating). The keypad isnt bad. Its like the 6080, but what i didnt like is the rest of the keys e.g. The call/end keys. They are just too close to the edge. The flimsy back cover is another issue. It makes you feel as though the phone is old and is falling apart. The camera and fm transmitter were the only things i found 'fun' to use. Otherwise the other phones beat it in everything else. The 6210 was even more fun to use because of the better construction, far superior music quality, accelerometer, no software issues, etc.
Tsepz, 28 Sep 2008Thats great Dan, you'll love it, had mine for 10months now! I got it for R4200 thats around 30... moreIm still using the 5700 and 5310, but i plan to sell the 5310 tomorrow.
I had a chance to play with the n81 for a few days. The slider is pretty steady, the keypad is decent (just like the 5310, but less stiff), its not as heavy as most people think. My hands couldnt tell the difference between the 5700 and n81. Battery is quite okay. Music is amazing, better than anything else i have ever put in my ear. The UI is just as fast and user friendly as the 5700. The games are really addictive, even though they are demos. Plus i didnt experience any software issues. To sum it up, i loved it. Multimedia unleashed!!
OpenGL Scores N81 vs. N78:
HD ES 1.0: 189
HD ES 1.1: 183
PRO ES 1.0: 103
PRO ES 1.1: 89
CPU Float: 1104
CPU Integer: 4753
HD ES 1.0: 178
HD ES 1.1: 173
PRO ES 1.0: 99
PRO ES 1.1: 86
CPU Float: 1102
CPU Integer: 4687
So clearly the N81 is a lot more optimized, and performs far better than the littile N78, NOKIA must have looked at optimizing the N78 as a waste of time since its such a poor Nseries aimed at nothing. They even put the older technology Li-ion battery in the N78 yet gave the N81 the newer Li-Po 20% better battery to the N81 and N82. Stupid N78 doesnt even have a keylock switch yet all other newer Nseries do.
The N81 is boring? Excuse me but the N78 is the one MISSING gaming AND music keys! The N81 atleast can be used wonderfuly in Landscape since its Gaming keys can be activated in different apps to make using it in Landscape fun, the N78 on the other hand just has the same old keypad, when turned to landscape theres no balance your left thumb does all the work. Ever played Fifa or Asphalt on a N78 in landscape? Its useless.
The N81 has a good equalizer, 5bars is enough, it gives similar audio quality to N91. Lol THE ONLY thing the old N91 can do is Music its useless at everything else lol! The N81 on the other hand was made to be multifunctional and work in ANY orientation even Up- Side-Down with the Gaming keys on N81 its easy to use. I can hold my N81 at 180 deg, or 270deg and still work with it, if i just want to listen to music i can close the keypad and just have the music keys and dpad available conviniently. The N81 is the more "fun" device to use. The N78 is a clumsy and badly built dummy for market testing, no wonder its price couldnt hold, whilest the N81 held its high premium price like a true Nseries, it does what its meant to do THE BEST IN ITS NICHE.
Dan, 28 Sep 2008N78 better than n81, n82 and n96? I wanna know what you've been smoking coz its clearly messed... morehaven't you checked the very latest price of n78 this week? it is now up to 20 percent higher than its previous price cut down, about 20 euros cheaper than n82. so, i was just so lucky when i bought my n78 when it was only 290 euros because today it's up to 360 euros again!