Anonymous, 06 Mar 2009My friend Daniel... you can not spot the winner phone now from among the multitude if you will... moreI got your point.
Sony has indeed pushed the cameraphone limit from their very beginning. Sony has indeed included a very popular music player (Walkman) with a nice interface. No arguments about that. If you look at the other companies, everyone included their own music players and cameras and stuff like that, which leads to this concept of a multi-purpose phone.
My point was that this forum should discuss the aspects of this phone in general, not just arguments about the aperture and the lens of this phone. I was just giving basic examples of the things a phone should be good at.
Another point I wanted to make was that this forum should share *real* information, based on *real* reviews/previews/shootouts. Not just stuff like "Idou's the best, 12MP camera will humiliate everyone", or "Idou's gonna be crap, it's not the megapixels that count, it's the lens blah blah". Which is why I asked everyone to post *real* reviews on this forum so that we could share opinions about the true aspects of this device.
For example, some *real* information about the advantage of a wide-angle lens can be found on this site, where GSMArena posted their hands-on with Nokia N86.
I think it's a pretty bad bad looking phone.Even if it has a lot to offer, the design is awful.And it is very big
Actually nokia guarantees that the gap between the point and shoot and mobile phone cameras will be removed by them.
They says that the mobile is optimized for low light conditions too. Hence no need of battery draining Xenon that n82 has got.By the way the xenon was not a vice decision to have on cameras.
I think it is a good phone but it is not designed well. Buttons of this phone are very odd. I hope nokia designers will be think about this.
Anonymous, 06 Mar 2009My friend Daniel... you can not spot the winner phone now from among the multitude if you will... moreyes, you are correct, that opened my eyes, why are we shooting down Sony Ericsson IDOU when it is the one leading the way so that other phone manufacturers improve on their products.
examples of Sony Ericsson IDOU, Apple iPhone and Samsung Innouve are forcing other brands to catch up and improve their boring phones.
Features are really impressive. But I didn't like the keypad buttons.
Anonymous, 06 Mar 2009My friend Daniel... you can not spot the winner phone now from among the multitude if you will... moreAnonymous... whoever you are... 'was an outstanding discourse... without bias.
Daniel, 05 Mar 2009Oh, come on people, why argue so much on the camera of this phone?
I understand, there are... moreMy friend Daniel... you can not spot the winner phone now from among the multitude if you will be talking only of the MUNDANE TASKS A BASIC PHONE should have. At the present stage of technology, all mundane tasks of a phone are already perfected by even the lowest ranked maker.
That leaves to explore features that are WORLD'S FIRSTS, most of these are not the basic phone functions. Examples are global positioning, connectivity and the much contested multimedia.
SONY and ERICSSON have seen these potentials years back to form a joint venture for Entertainment Unlimited.
SONY then introduced their WORLD'S FIRST to a basic phone like the WALKMAN, CYBERSHOTS, ETC.
For all you know, without SONY there in the playing field introducing new concepts and innovations to an otherwise boring calling device... OUR MOBILE PHONES WILL BE ANOTHER BORING "POTS" (primitive old telephone system).
Once again SONY introduced another WORLD'S FIRST... THE COMMERCIALIZATION of "IMX060PQ", a new type 1/2.5 CMOS image sensor of the "Exmor" series, the industry's highest pixel count (12.25 effective megapixel resolution).
"IMX060PQ" is designed to meet the increasing need for advanced image quality within mobile phone enabled cameras".
With the introduction of that another word's first, all other phone makers will be doing their homework around-the-clock to catch up.
SONY'S leadership on innovations makes our world of mobile phones more exciting...
MUCH CREDIT IS DUE TO SONY in particular and SONY ERICSSON in general.... because without those challenges... all of us will be feed by Nokia with THOSE BORING BASIC CALLING DEVICES.
I don't know the quility of that phone but the buttons on the upper slide are bad looking,i don't know what the nokia designer are doing,all other mobile companies are making stylish desing and phone but nokia sets are ...................
I'm not doing anything against the N86. But initial image quality is poor, just like the initial N95 shots. They will be improved over several updates.
As for the multiple apertures... its funny because a smaller aperture (Larger f-stop) doesn't mean a shaper picture - its actually the opposite. With a higher f-stop you get a larger Depth of Field and compensate some sharpness overall. Just check out the shots for the Canon 50mm f/0.95, and you will get what I'm saying.
If only this phone has built-in xenon flash, then it's perfect. LED light flash won't statisfy the photo quality in dark condition.
Oh, come on people, why argue so much on the camera of this phone?
I understand, there are some features (related to the camera, of course) that have never been in a mobile phone before. And I understand that there are some guys out there that just fail to grasp the meaning of a variable aperture and wide-angle lens. And I understand that there are people with regressive ideas that just say "you want good photos, buy a digital camera", "camera development in a phone is useless, that will never reach the standard of a digital camera" and things like that. But *that* is *not* the subject of this forum. At least, in my view.
Let's talk about the phone itself instead.
First of all, is it good at ringing and making calls? It will certainly be, as it's a Nokia phone, and Nokia phones have never disappointed when it comes to basic stuff like that.
How about music? Will it have the audio quality compared to N85 or 5800 XpressMusic, or even the almighty N91? A bit early to say, but as it is the successor of the N85 (remember, it was initially N85 8MP), I think it will live up to the expectations. About videos, I can't really say a 2.6 inch display is large enough for you to watch movies, but clips should do fine.
The much-hyped camera seems very, very promising, as it will have some features never before seen in a mobile phone. I'm not going to speak about photo quality yet, because it is very early. However, the wide-angle lens does make a difference even at this stage (check out the N86 hands-on from GSMArena).
All I can say is that, even though this device promises a lot, only a real retail unit will give us the answers we want.
If someone has seen other in-depth reviews/previews/camera shootouts than GSMArena, please post them here. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know.
hey guys if u watch videos on utube ull get to know this cell phone's got poor software it takes years to run an application... however matter it luks gorgeous in white color...
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2009You again? I told you already to stop bragging around about picture taking capability of Nokia... morei won't use this kind of skill, NO STYLE
pretending not a brand fans , and said a lot of crap
no style at all ,
almost all the se fans use this kind of skill, a very cheap skill to critic other brand product
at the end , N86 having various aperture , wide-angled carl zeiss optic which other don't have
why sony ericsson not allowed people to test the camera of idou??
suggestion to sony ericsson
before moved to another pixels
see whether their product got half of N82 a not
iolo003, 05 Mar 2009hmm lots of pretending to be experts here and i can tell that they didn't know what there talk... moreYou "iolo003", maybe you don't understand what they are talking about.
You can not help when discussing a high-tech piece of material without using a little bit of technical terms, albeit in layman's point of view.
replying_idi0t, 05 Mar 2009N82 is an example,
Grand 5 megapixel shootout: The usual suspects
http://www.gsmarena.com/gr... moreYou again? I told you already to stop bragging around about picture taking capability of Nokia because you are giving a great disservice to an otherwise good company....
Do not justify Nokia for its weak point, i.e. picture taking capability... you are bringing Nokia down.
Nokia does not make its own imagers and lenses... give credit to whoever made those components for Nokia... and not Nokia itself.
Explore the strong point of Nokia... will you?
I am wondering about you... maybe you are a SE fanatic clad in Nokia shell because what you are doing is actually bringing Nokia down.
Frank, 05 Mar 2009Anyone knows about a camera comp. N86 vs. INNOV8?both phones cant be compared yet coz N86 hasnt came out in the market and camera quality hasnt been tested but nokia fans are too over confident about N86 camera quality.
till now, Nokia has been buying the majority of their low- and mid-range CMOS sensors from the Swiss STMicroelectronics, but switched to the Korean producer because it’s faster than STMicroelectronics in bringing new products to the market"
their sensor quality is low and nokia did it again that they use CMOS sensor from the other company.Even nokia cant make a low CMOS sensor quality.Nokia is just a nokia phone and NOTHING!