Instead of fighting here, look around how many ppl change from nokia to SE nowadays, and how many ppl changed from SE to nokia. thats the answer. ppl buy for their needs and SE knows what ppl need. I use O2 pda ph before and browse internet. Not more than 5 times man! ph screen is ph screen. u have internet and pc at home, at work, at school, WAT FOR having WiFi ? when driving, u can't surf net also, unless u taking bus.
After all, this is good try from nokia, but see how many ppl buy this ph..
Good points you have as well.
MY SECOND QUESTION (to smart phone lovers):
What is a smart phone?
Is it the phone with bad sound quality such as: 6170, 6260, 6101/6102?
On most of Nokia phones today, you have a hissing sound (due to fu..ing FM radio) or very unclear sound due to all the crap. in the phone! Before Nokia made normal phones without color screan but not anymore. Only if you use a high quality new Plantronic or New Motorola bluetooth, will you have normal sound quality. But Nokia charges $100 for a bluetooth phone ( EX. New Garbage 6103 phone)!!
And forget about Sony phones at all. They even worser when it comes to software issues and durability.
You know,all these disagreements,cussing and arguing reminds me of the PSP and DS feud and engedget.Know people,you know who is who.Now who won?
yeah mike, you have the reason.
And i agree with some points of Dreadnought comments, yes, as he says, its "need to buy the last one" attitude. They dont think about other aspects in a phone. They only think in have everything in a device. It doesnt matter to them things like usability, reliability, batery life, software stability and others, and the most of them never uses those features at all. For example, read some comments like one said "it hast EDGE and UMTS" Please, in europe EDGE isnt widespread and in americas most people use CDMA handsets; where is EDGE??
Later... WLAN!! the most of nokia fans talk about WLAN in a cell phone... please, the WLAN is useless in a device like a phone. Or they havent a laptop?? maybe... who knows?
If you really use the WLAN in a serious portable device, i understand you, but not here!!
If nokia fan archetype is the tech lover, they fight to have some of the samsung korean models that have everything inside, 10MP camera, optical zoom, 12Mbps in CDMA EV-DO data transmision, DMB TV, the best screens in the market. This is very good features for a cell phone in a good size.
While SE fan only search for a good quality in certain features, they only serch the best. Best sound: walkman, Best imaging: cybershot, best UI: SE, best java: SE, best battery life: SE.
Simply they dont complicate their existence with buggy, complex and slow OS, only search quality, no more.
And the advanced user, whom REALLY USE A SMARTPHONE search for other type of device, not search for N70 or N80, maybe E70 but no more. S60 is for nascents
1)$950 for a phone with horrible digital camera?
2)What makes Nokia think that it is better in quality than Sharp 903 phone?
3)Ask Nokia who is the manufacture if its sensor and who is THE REAL manufacture of its so-called Carl Zeis lens?
The best Canon and Panasonic digi cams cost today $350-$400 , and they have real lens, real optics, and Panasonic even has high resolution, best quality screan.
SO, BE SMART AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CAMERAS instead of wasting your money on this piece of probaly very slow junk!
There is now a great review of N93 in allaboutsymbian.com make sure you see it!
K800 has a fantastic camera but thats pretty much all it has, nice phone though, but N93 is better.
nokia need some diehard fan to protect their long trusted brand. however, in reality, 8 out of 10 of my friends changed to SE and Samsung phs( they r nokia fans b4).
So , if u r still nokia fan, pls stick with brick phs, because nokia can't lose its fan anymore. ha haa (and post many good review too)
Oh, the newest episode of mobilefan-wars is out. How spectacular, I might aswell participate.
Letīs first take a quick view at the two fighting teams then, shall we?
First, the Nokia team:
Here we have people who apreciate a wide variety of features and great useability in their phones. Nokia fans are quite forgiving about things like bugs and crashes and are most often quite optimistical about things. Naturally, there are these people who complain about bugs and that, but they are usually satisfied with simply asking for advice...
Negative aspects about Nokia fans might be the fact that they donīt always accept defeat and sometime they simply ignore simple facts.
Some Nokia hardcores also seem to be very rich, because they always MUST have the newest model, first the N90 for a couple of months, then the N80 for a few and then the N93 as soon as itīs out. That canīt be too good... This kind of "need-to-buy" attitude is fed by the fact that Nokia keeps announcing new models very often. I personally think that Nokia should put more money in resolving Symbian instabilities than in making new models...
An other negative side is that Nokia fans have a habit of asking the same question over and over again, which can sometimes be rather annoying (this is quite common on other brands forums aswell).
Then the SE team:
There are mainly two varieties of SE fans. The first type is the calm and helping one. This kind of fan is only interested in his own phone and itīs features and donīt really care about others. He likes to help other people with the same phone. This kind of fan is for example @dhoul (or something like that) who used to help people out on the K750i forums...
The other and more popular type of SE fan is the angry fanatic one. Which quite much reminds me of an japanese ww2 infantryman...
He loves SE and everything which has aything to do with it. Especially brand and technology names typical for SE (WalkMan, CyberShot, BestPic, UiQ etc) makes them go totally wild.
Other brands (especially NOKIA), is only ugly big bricks with useless functions and so on... You know the story...
They claim that they need only the functions a SE phone can provide. For example wLAN, which doesnīt seem to be too popular in SE phones has suddenly become a totally useless thing. Also shooting videos is totally out of style...
These kind of fans also like to go spamming on Nokia forums and for them itīs a question of honour, to let the whole world and every forum how good cameras SE make.
It is also very popular to vote 10/10/10 on every SE phone and 1/1/1 on every Nokia phone, this drill is also repeated for as long as possible.
So much about the teams, fans of other brands are not as radical as Nokia and SE fans.
My opinion is:
SE fans, go out in the forest and listen to music and take photos for as long and as much as you want. Hate videos, because so does SE.
Nokia fans (me including): Letīs just use the phones we have chosen and be happy with it. READ before you post is also important...
As I am a Nokia fan (since I saw the N73), I must add:
NOKIA RULES! SE makes astonishing cameras, Nokia makes good cameras and great phones.
This ofcourse was all-in-all a totally useless post, nothing to do with anything... My apologies, but I felt bored. Hope the admins donīt ban me for spamming...
No point comparing this ph with K800, because there is a huge price gap. So, to conclude, nokia N93 lose to K800 interms of price-function ratio.
Taking in consideration that EDGE is more widespread than UMTS, your afirmation is pointless.
Yes, there is no way to proud abt N93 is symbian with 3.2 mega cam. SE already show what is symbian in their P series smart phs. this ph design is great I agree, but Nokia doesn't know how to pack all features in compact size. Just compare this ph with O2 Atom!! U wanna say O2 atom is lousy in functions????
Its a shame for Carl Zeiss, the amount of noise is incredible. This demonstrates that a digital camera isnt only a group of lenses. Why sony cyber-shot is in first place in digicams and nokia always is behind of SE in camera phones????
Why if two companies uses carl zeiss lenses???
The diference is sony develop technology in camera sensor, nokia dont develop anything
Your "multimedia computers" are buggy, complicated. Nokia put all in one device, but for what???, most of the people who talk about WLAN, EDGE, UMTS talk about these without knowledge, for example, they talk about K800 has no EDGE, but Why EDGE if you have UMTS??
Your WLAN, for me they never uses a laptop in, which device is more suitable for it, a cell phone or a computer??? maybe the people whom talk much about WLAN never uses it and they dont know what is it???
And its a law, SE is better in camera phones. All previous reviews were made with beta version. GSM Arena is with comercial firmware. This is the difference.
Finally, the real competitor of K800 is N73, not the N93, but beats the last one in photo quality... Is it hard to understand??
I have owned every single Symbian Nokia mobile phone and Multimedia computers (as they are called now) and the N93 is not a phone, or a multimedia computer with a camera; its a Camera with a phone and a multimedia computer! It has all the cutting edge technology; its real Mobile (after all the device is suppose to be a MOBILE phone) InfraRed connection Bluetooth, USB, Direct TV output and 3.5ML jack for sound, WIFI (a technology that SonyEricsson cannot comprehend) expandable memory to 2GB with built in 50MB. The camera is the best camera on a mobile phone in the market; the rumered 5 MegaPixel N83 phone/ multimedia computer is only rumered so, as it stands, the massive powerful N93 is the best thing money can buy. The size is relivant, but when you want a small phone with good features on it? Stick to 6230i or the N80; the N80 is smaller than the infamouse 6510 and 8310 and has all the features in the N93 except for a tv outlet (which eventually will be sold sepratley) and a Carl Zeiuss Lens with 3Xoptical Zoom. I for one have loved the N90 and cannot wait to experience the capabilities of the N93. On a personal note, Nokia could've made it smaller if they wanted to, but when you have a brilliant phone like the N93, you do not want to put that in your pocket, you want it in your hands or on the dinner table where everyone can see that you're the wise one who made a brilliant choice of buying the Nokia N93. =) Sony Ericsson, Samsung, Motorola, I-mate, Siemens BenQ, watch, and learn, and TRY to develope what Nokia has developed as of yet. God knows what Nokia has instore for 2007, 2008, 2009, and so on. Sony Ericsson K800 is equipped with a 3.2 Cybershot Camera from Sony, and xenon flash, but that phone is so messed up you can't even put it straight on a surface! Nokia N93 is seriously not made for everybody, its made for those who know phones, and appreciate them.