Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008it's understandable that 5310 sold more units than iphone because 5310 is not even a quarter o... moreNo. I do not think the creation of i8510 is pointless. Im just saying its not as perfect as some people claim it to be. Secondly, im not being biased. I also expected a bit more from the n96 and you will never hear me call it the n95 or n95 8gb successor. Its good to see samsung bringing out good phones that give good competiton. Their production of s60 handsets has dramatically changed over the years and i think that is good. Phones like i8510, n95, n95 8gb, n96 is not even my taste. I like buying phones which have real value for money. Not all in one devices that are overhyped. So phones like n82 or n79 or even phones outside the n-series family like 5800xm are what would appeal to me. I focus more on how a handset performs in relation to its features. I (like most people) do not need hardware that has a 3d graphics accelerator, a 5mp or 8mp snapper (but still wouldn't mind a good camera), or even GPS. At the same time, we would like some serious software to go with the phone. This is why i like choosing nokia. Because s60 is the most reliable platform in the market. If i was to go for s60 handsets by other manufacturers, there would be some restrictions as opposed to the nokia handsets because nokia=symbian s60.
And by the way, samsungs phone market share is at the moment (3rd quarter 2008) 16 percent. Nokia's is more than twice that amount.
Dan, 31 Oct 2008Power saving processor - The n96 has one and uses the 950mah battery. The i8510 doesn't have o... moreit's understandable that 5310 sold more units than iphone because 5310 is not even a quarter of the price of iphone. so, from ur statements u seem to have concluded that the creation of innov8 is pointless? why? because it's samsung and not nokia? or because it's hard to accept the fact that samsung has produced the best all-round device to beat all of the current nseries devices? if innov8 was created by nokia, will it change ur biased opinion? well, lemme tell u. that is nokia fanboyism ure saying. i think whatever samsung does, no matter how great they produce a device, as long as ure a nokia fanboy, u still won't like it. but fortunately, samsung holds some 30% of the entire mobile phone industry and their market share is getting bigger because of their attempt to take part in producing s60 devices. i never liked samsung before. i never even knew then that they were already number 2 in the world as the largest mobile phone manufacturer. well, until samsung innov8 has been released. i'm a nokia fanatic, especially with nseries and s60 devices. but i must admit samsung innov8 is the number 1 on my list. yes, it's so expensive. i might not even be able to afford it. but if i had 700 euros and i had to choose between n96 and innov8, i'd definitely choose innov8.
after a wk of n96 over my old hp n95,these are the things i like n dont
-battery life is better than n95 with the handy power saving mode
-in built full screen caller
-very powerful mp3 player,loud n full of bass
-poor camera compared to n95.really really disappointing.i believe the software is nt stable yet...no diff when use in night mode..sad!!!
-restarts once a while
-slow processor,in messaging.the hp cant keep up with my message speed
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008u said that u'd rather get these features over an 8mp camera and dnse 2.0 surround sound syste... morePower saving processor - The n96 has one and uses the 950mah battery. The i8510 doesn't have one and it uses the 1200mah battery. Both have comparable battery lives. Can you imagine how n96 would perform if it had the same battery as the i8510?
The freescale is one of the best as it saves power and offers a lag-free OS. There is nothing wrong with it. Even though it does not have a 3D graphics accelerator, the ones used in the phones such as n95 8gb, n95 and i8510 have not been utilised to their maximum potential. Until they do, all the hype around them is unneccessary as their impact is not as huge as expected. (Check mobile-review.com and smape.com). By the way, the 5800xm has a freescale processor and a 3d image engine. So your point wasnt really valid.
About size, yes the iphone did sell over 10 million units. However, look at the 5310. It came out much later than the iphone yet sold more units and claims the position of the best selling music phone. So yes, size does matter.
About the xenon flash, it focuses on maximising the camera power to its full potential. What's the point of having such an expensive camera phone if its only good to use during the day?
Fm transmitter is something totally new. It isn't an upgrade to anything. Furthermore, very few phones have it. So far only Sony E, Nokia and Samsung have maybe one or two FM transmitter handsets in their portfolio. And yes i do see people running for such phones. Why do you think the n78 got such a huge number of fans despite its many drawbacks?
Sales packaging? Is a bluetooth headset the only thing thats worthy of a good packaging. The 5800xm so far has the best retail packaging i have seen so far and it doesn't come with a bluetooth headset. I would expect a phone of an expensive pricetag to have a similar packaging.
Like i said the i8510 is just an upgrade of existing features. It may be the first 8mp camera to get released, but the camera is just an upgrade of an already existing features. There are other phones that can do the same things it can do, though obviously not on the same level, but still good enough. Furthremore, even though it has the biggest megapixels in a phone, it has some really serious drawbacks which many people seem to ignore. These drawbacks can be avoided if you resort to getting a good 5mp cameraphone or maybe 3.2mp cameraphone.
3mp doesn't justify its pricetag. You may say its comparable to the n96 in this area, but at least with the n96, i get much more fantastic software that is associated to n-series which are more useful as opposed to bigger pictures. But i do agree that both units are too expensive for the functions they offer.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008The only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you ... moreu said that u'd rather get these features over an 8mp camera and dnse 2.0 surround sound system:
a) a power efficient processor - there is 2 such processors actually: a freescale single cpu, and an old age nomadics processor both have no 3d graphics accelerator. n85 has the freescale processor and n96 has the same 3-yr old processor of n92. they arent good at anything, just in power efficiency!
b) fm transmitter - n78 has it. w980i also has it. is there any mobile phone geek out there who prioritize an fm transmitter in getting a device? fm transmitter is just an extra feature. it's not the main novelty feature of phones with such feature. even n96 doesn't have an fm transmitter.
c) more compact body - is the difference between n96 and innov8's size really that huge? the iphone which is such a large device sold 10 million units worldwide and has anybody cared about its size?
d) xenon flash - is xenon flash more important than the camera itself? the most overhyped phone with xenon is n82. 6220c has xenon but it doesnt stir much attention.
e) better retail package - is there any nseries phone that comes with at least a bluetooth headset in the retail package?
you said innov8 is not worth it just for its 3mp more of a camera. so, is n96 worth its price for its 16gb and dvb-h only? for the record, innov8 is the first smartphone that has an 8mp camera on it. it's worth its price. dont you remember the time when n95 was the first 5mp camera smartphone? it was priced even higher than innov8. don't u get the logic? there is no alternative to innov8 that's why it is priced that much. this phone has no competition at the moment. while n82, n79 and n85 are so much cheaper because there are so many of them that have the same feature sets. and 5mp is now just a standard for a camera phone.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008The only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you ... moreThe iPhone gaming experience leaves them all for dead.
Either with the games available from the App store or jailbroken with all the emulators, there is no comparison.
If you say it isn't so you musn't have used one.
Bakekang, 31 Oct 2008U can also add 6220c to the list of phones that can do what INNOV8 does except for wifi. But w... moreThe only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you will see the statement saying the difference in SQ between i8510 is so small, most people wont notice it). It doesnt beat other phones on gaming, battery life, ease of use, value for money, software goodies that come with n-series, its UI isnt faster than n95 8gb, n82, n85, n79, despite its processor having a faster clockrate, its dimensions and weight make it quite difficult to operate. Whats worse, its battery life is so bad you cant use the features without charging the phone once or twice a day. The benchmark tests dont really count for anything since you cant really enjoy your games with the mediocre battery. Furthermore your gaming experience cannot compare to n96 or n85 gaming experience dual slide gaming keys
If you ask me, i would rather go for phones which have a unique feature like n82 (xenon flash), n79 (fm transmitter, xpress-on covers), or even i7110 (fm transmitter). The i8510 is just one big pile of upgrades with nothing new. Just an upgraded camera, upgraded sound and upgraded processor. If it came with either a power efficient processor, fm transmitter, touchscreen, more compact body, xenon flash or even a better retail package, then i would say its worth consideration. But only 3mp extra of camera? Its not worth it especially for users who have n95, n95 8gb, n96, n82, n79 or n85. Those 3 extra megapixels dont justify its pricing compared to the rest of these phones.
You should really get your mind out of the myth that more megapixels equals better quality.
iolo003, 31 Oct 2008Truely I believe in Cute Guys opinion Innov8 is nothing special than n96, n95, n85, n82, n7... moreU can also add 6220c to the list of phones that can do what INNOV8 does except for wifi. But which does it best? It is same as this scenario. N82 and N81 can play music but which produces the best sonic experience? N96 and N95 both have 5MP Carl Zeiss lens w/ DVD-like video recording but which produces the best results? From the article I've read about INNOV8 in smape.com, INNOV8 is really expensive but it's worth every penny you'll pay for it since it gives nothing but the best performance, be it in camera, music, gaming, web browsing, GPS navigation, video playback, build quality, etc. But N96 is not worth its high price tag considering you'll get less for what you'll pay for, poorer image quality than the so much less expensive N82, worse sound quality than N81, lower quality build than its little brother N85, poorer battery life than its predecessor N95 8Gb. N96 and INNOV8's prices are almost the same in some countries. But INNOV8 is clearly more worth buying. Because there is no phone right now that can produce life-size high quality photos, excellent DVD-like videos and slow motion videos, best sound quality, high frame rate gaming graphics, fast and intituitive user interface, and high quality build and materials than INNOV8. All review sites are one in saying that INNOV8 is currently the best all-round multimedia right now. INNOV8 already has its market share and the good thing is it doesn't have any competition right now. Even Nokia's current flagship device, N96, is not to be considered as INNOV8's main rival since N96 has certain market niche only.
Anonymous, 30 Oct 2008Just like I'm happy with using my iPhone and my desk is happy with my boring old N82 paperweig... moreit think your desk is happier than you :) the table has nokia n82 and you have iPhone who cant even take a video of yourself living miserably because you own having a very expensive phone yet fall short on everything aspect except UI.
I call that up front robbery and high stake deception.
Truely I believe in Cute Guys opinion
Innov8 is nothing special than n96, n95, n85, n82, n79 etc because i can do anything that it can do using nokia phones.
I belong to practical people who doesnt live on numbers of benchmark scores, i live in reality, that money is earned and work hard for, that all i need are things thats worth every cents of it and Nokia fulfils those by offering powerful multimedia devices yet not hurting my pocket.
Isnt life beautiful in that sense? Choose Nokia and get the best features, the best value and the best service or choose innov8 were il live miserably because its not worth the value.
THE MASTER, 29 Oct 2008guyz who has a nokia n96? i've had it for 2days and i just realised now that i cant take the r... morehello dude go n switch off ur 3d ringtone option then the phone ringtone volume will be normal
THE MASTER, 29 Oct 2008guyz who has a nokia n96? i've had it for 2days and i just realised now that i cant take the r... moredisable 3D effect, it should be alright else Nokia has released a firmware update. so update your o.s then u can use 3D effect with ringtone.
Article about Samsung INNOV8 saying it's the best all-in-one device so far and worthy replacement for N95, and not the N96. Everything is best in this multimedia powerhouse.
"Summing the facts up, we'd like to finish the article by saying that doubtlessly Samsung i8510 INNOV8 is today's best all-in-one smartphone and a golden standard for all future smartphone. As your everyday companion, it would make an excellent replacement for Nokia N95, combining a supreme functionality, quality of materials and appealing looks. There is hardly going to be any future price reduction, but INNOV8 is really worth its price and has no competitors. The rest of solutions offer various compromises be it in the way of quality or functionality. The i8510 model is a crucial product that will overhaul the public opinion about Samsung as an S60 smartphone producer."
Anonymous, 01 Jan 1970i thought nokia phones with carl zeiss optics takes good pictures.
This is awsom phone. with the TV on it. most recommended to class that know how to use a mobile people rather than people below post negative feed back.
DJ Kur, 31 Oct 2008I loved my N95 though it wasn't perfect and in fact its screen stopped working after about 17 ... moreWow dude was it that bad:o(......
eyi i feel ur great disapointment in the way u express ur writing....damn bro.....eish ur the 1st comment im realy taking in2 consideration....and its making me doubt purchasing the N96....
The problem is its wat iv been looking 4 all thes months wat shal i do coz iv been waiting 4 a new mobile 4 months now:o(....
I think ill test the device be4 i buy it....or wait 4 my friend 2 get 1 1st see if he likes it...coz hes got the N95 8GB ...he had the N95 wich he upgraded with 8GB....he also bought the iPhone lol...and returned it the next day.....
so il wait 4 him 2 get 1 1st....if he dosnt like it wat shal i do......
I loved my N95 though it wasn't perfect and in fact its screen stopped working after about 17 months of owning it. I hated Nokia Maps but loved using Tom Tom mobile with external GPS receiver when driving as that was so much faster and better than Nokia Maps. I upgraded to the N96 2 weeks ago and after having it for a week I was absolutely disgusted with it. The minute you open it to stick the SIM and battery in, you're faced with that horrible little, flimsy piece of sh*t plastic cover, and it immediately feels cheap. It didn't seem to do anything better than the N95 while the downgraded CPU is useless for Tom Tom. When installed on the N96, Tom Tom is a million times slower than it ever was on the N95 to the point of being unworkable, and won't ever work for more than a couple of minutes on the N96 before it crashes. All that with the latest FW. After that week I took the N96 back to the Carphone Warehouse in London and got an Iphone instead. Sure, the camera on that is no match for that of the N95 or N96 but even so, the Iphone completely rapes the N96. After owning most of Nokia's flagship phones over the years, I take the N96 as a complete insult. This is something that could and should have been so much better and advanced than the N95, and instead it's a sorry excuse for a septic tank of a smart phone. Don't bother with it. If you're expecting it to be better than the N95, you'll be as greatly disappointed as I am. Two questions to Nokia: 1)What the f*ck?
2)Where did it all go so horribly wrong?
As far as I'm concerned Nokia have a stupidly long way to go to redeem themselves after making me wait for this piece of sh*t since last winter! What an absolute shocker!
Anonymous, 30 Oct 2008turn off the 3-D tones in the tools menu. mine was the same and once i turned that off it is f... more"turn off the 3-D tones in the tools menu. mine was the same and once i turned that off it is fine now."
Why do you have to turn functions off to make the phone work properly?
What's the point of having them in the first place?