Yes, the open symbian project is an open source thing, however, it is nokia that will be spearheading it. Thats why they have invested so much into buying the rest of the symbian shares.
Anyway, this isnt the place to advertise the innov8. I thought this forum was for discussing the n96 and how to help those who need help. Instead there's war from those who prefer other solutions. I think it would be best for others to stick to their own forums.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008Nokia plans to have all symbian shares by the end of the year. There's even an article of sams... moreI suggest you look into the Open Symbian project.
My comments were more directed at those who go on about Samsung taking Nokia's OS (i.e. Symbian).
I dumped my N82 for an iPhone and couldn't be happier, now it's a paperweight or my kid's play with it.
Actually, INNOV8 is the worthy upgrade from N95. Much more worthy than N96. If you want to experience true high end features, get the Innov8. Because there is no real difference between N95 and N96 only 16gb memory. N96 is overpriced. Innov8 is justly priced for its high end features, 8mp camera w/ autofocus & lens cover, VGA video @30fps, QVGA video @120fps, USB charging, 2.8" display, Symbian 9.3 S60 3rd FP2, 3.5mm jack, stereo speakers, DNse 2.0 surround sound, GPS, WIFI, HSDPA, 128MB SDRAM, 16GB internal memory, 450Mhz processor, 3d graphics accelerator, optical mouse. Innov8 has more and better things to offer than N96. So N96 is the one which is pointless here.
To the person who said that there is no need to upgrade to 8mp if you already have 5mp, well that's a matter of personal choice. I guess N82 will be ur phone forever. There are even a lot of people here upgrading from 5mp camera phone to another 5mp camera phone like those N95 users shifting to N96 or N85. And what do they'll get? Nothing much but 16gb, dvb-h or oled display. There are even people who want to upgrade from 5mp to 3.2mp phone like those N95 to 5800 only for touchscreen. But the most worthy upgrade of all is 5mp to 8mp, like from N95 or N82 to INNOV8 since there really are upgrades that take place here and the things I've mentioned above are just some of them. Nokia will release their 8MP camera phone and a lot of people will surely upgrade their phones to that, but that will still be next year. While Innov8 is already right here, right now. It's the most complete S60 smartphone right now.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008Symbian is not Nokia, Nokia uses it but they do not have the exclusive right to it.
They co... moreNokia plans to have all symbian shares by the end of the year. There's even an article of samsung selling its symbian shares to nokia on the web. I suggest you read it.
About the megapixel race, even when nokia release their 8mp monster, the megapixels alone wont be a reason to upgrade from 5mp. Dont think we are being biased against other brands. Why should an n82 user change and go for a nokia handset with 8mp? The n82 is already perfect. What will the bigger pictures do for you? All the hype about 8mp is over-rated.
Bakekang, 31 Oct 2008U can also add 6220c to the list of phones that can do what INNOV8 does except for wifi. But w... morewill i dont think so because the upgrades they added on innov8 is not practical by all means.
try to think of it in a normal consumers perspective, do i need those upgrades and pay more for it.
yes if you have nothng else to do life except tickle your phone.
no if your smart, practical and enjoy your existence.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008No. I do not think the creation of i8510 is pointless. Im just saying its not as perfect as so... moreSymbian is not Nokia, Nokia uses it but they do not have the exclusive right to it.
They contributed to it's development along with a lot of other organizations.
i450, i560 are ore Samsung Symbian phones.
Ericsson and SonyEricsson produced a lot of Symbian phones P800, P900, P910 etc, in fact the Ericsson R380 was the first ever Symbian phone it also had a touchscreen and that was 8 years ago.
It's funny watching the Nokia fanboi's backpedal after telling us for ages about the superior camera's, blah, blah, blah etc, etc.
Well guess what, Nokia have fallen behind again and all of a sudden the camera Megapixel's are no longer important, yeah right.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008it's understandable that 5310 sold more units than iphone because 5310 is not even a quarter o... moreNo. I do not think the creation of i8510 is pointless. Im just saying its not as perfect as some people claim it to be. Secondly, im not being biased. I also expected a bit more from the n96 and you will never hear me call it the n95 or n95 8gb successor. Its good to see samsung bringing out good phones that give good competiton. Their production of s60 handsets has dramatically changed over the years and i think that is good. Phones like i8510, n95, n95 8gb, n96 is not even my taste. I like buying phones which have real value for money. Not all in one devices that are overhyped. So phones like n82 or n79 or even phones outside the n-series family like 5800xm are what would appeal to me. I focus more on how a handset performs in relation to its features. I (like most people) do not need hardware that has a 3d graphics accelerator, a 5mp or 8mp snapper (but still wouldn't mind a good camera), or even GPS. At the same time, we would like some serious software to go with the phone. This is why i like choosing nokia. Because s60 is the most reliable platform in the market. If i was to go for s60 handsets by other manufacturers, there would be some restrictions as opposed to the nokia handsets because nokia=symbian s60.
And by the way, samsungs phone market share is at the moment (3rd quarter 2008) 16 percent. Nokia's is more than twice that amount.
Dan, 31 Oct 2008Power saving processor - The n96 has one and uses the 950mah battery. The i8510 doesn't have o... moreit's understandable that 5310 sold more units than iphone because 5310 is not even a quarter of the price of iphone. so, from ur statements u seem to have concluded that the creation of innov8 is pointless? why? because it's samsung and not nokia? or because it's hard to accept the fact that samsung has produced the best all-round device to beat all of the current nseries devices? if innov8 was created by nokia, will it change ur biased opinion? well, lemme tell u. that is nokia fanboyism ure saying. i think whatever samsung does, no matter how great they produce a device, as long as ure a nokia fanboy, u still won't like it. but fortunately, samsung holds some 30% of the entire mobile phone industry and their market share is getting bigger because of their attempt to take part in producing s60 devices. i never liked samsung before. i never even knew then that they were already number 2 in the world as the largest mobile phone manufacturer. well, until samsung innov8 has been released. i'm a nokia fanatic, especially with nseries and s60 devices. but i must admit samsung innov8 is the number 1 on my list. yes, it's so expensive. i might not even be able to afford it. but if i had 700 euros and i had to choose between n96 and innov8, i'd definitely choose innov8.
after a wk of n96 over my old hp n95,these are the things i like n dont
-battery life is better than n95 with the handy power saving mode
-in built full screen caller
-very powerful mp3 player,loud n full of bass
-poor camera compared to n95.really really disappointing.i believe the software is nt stable yet...no diff when use in night mode..sad!!!
-restarts once a while
-slow processor,in messaging.the hp cant keep up with my message speed
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008u said that u'd rather get these features over an 8mp camera and dnse 2.0 surround sound syste... morePower saving processor - The n96 has one and uses the 950mah battery. The i8510 doesn't have one and it uses the 1200mah battery. Both have comparable battery lives. Can you imagine how n96 would perform if it had the same battery as the i8510?
The freescale is one of the best as it saves power and offers a lag-free OS. There is nothing wrong with it. Even though it does not have a 3D graphics accelerator, the ones used in the phones such as n95 8gb, n95 and i8510 have not been utilised to their maximum potential. Until they do, all the hype around them is unneccessary as their impact is not as huge as expected. (Check mobile-review.com and smape.com). By the way, the 5800xm has a freescale processor and a 3d image engine. So your point wasnt really valid.
About size, yes the iphone did sell over 10 million units. However, look at the 5310. It came out much later than the iphone yet sold more units and claims the position of the best selling music phone. So yes, size does matter.
About the xenon flash, it focuses on maximising the camera power to its full potential. What's the point of having such an expensive camera phone if its only good to use during the day?
Fm transmitter is something totally new. It isn't an upgrade to anything. Furthermore, very few phones have it. So far only Sony E, Nokia and Samsung have maybe one or two FM transmitter handsets in their portfolio. And yes i do see people running for such phones. Why do you think the n78 got such a huge number of fans despite its many drawbacks?
Sales packaging? Is a bluetooth headset the only thing thats worthy of a good packaging. The 5800xm so far has the best retail packaging i have seen so far and it doesn't come with a bluetooth headset. I would expect a phone of an expensive pricetag to have a similar packaging.
Like i said the i8510 is just an upgrade of existing features. It may be the first 8mp camera to get released, but the camera is just an upgrade of an already existing features. There are other phones that can do the same things it can do, though obviously not on the same level, but still good enough. Furthremore, even though it has the biggest megapixels in a phone, it has some really serious drawbacks which many people seem to ignore. These drawbacks can be avoided if you resort to getting a good 5mp cameraphone or maybe 3.2mp cameraphone.
3mp doesn't justify its pricetag. You may say its comparable to the n96 in this area, but at least with the n96, i get much more fantastic software that is associated to n-series which are more useful as opposed to bigger pictures. But i do agree that both units are too expensive for the functions they offer.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008The only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you ... moreu said that u'd rather get these features over an 8mp camera and dnse 2.0 surround sound system:
a) a power efficient processor - there is 2 such processors actually: a freescale single cpu, and an old age nomadics processor both have no 3d graphics accelerator. n85 has the freescale processor and n96 has the same 3-yr old processor of n92. they arent good at anything, just in power efficiency!
b) fm transmitter - n78 has it. w980i also has it. is there any mobile phone geek out there who prioritize an fm transmitter in getting a device? fm transmitter is just an extra feature. it's not the main novelty feature of phones with such feature. even n96 doesn't have an fm transmitter.
c) more compact body - is the difference between n96 and innov8's size really that huge? the iphone which is such a large device sold 10 million units worldwide and has anybody cared about its size?
d) xenon flash - is xenon flash more important than the camera itself? the most overhyped phone with xenon is n82. 6220c has xenon but it doesnt stir much attention.
e) better retail package - is there any nseries phone that comes with at least a bluetooth headset in the retail package?
you said innov8 is not worth it just for its 3mp more of a camera. so, is n96 worth its price for its 16gb and dvb-h only? for the record, innov8 is the first smartphone that has an 8mp camera on it. it's worth its price. dont you remember the time when n95 was the first 5mp camera smartphone? it was priced even higher than innov8. don't u get the logic? there is no alternative to innov8 that's why it is priced that much. this phone has no competition at the moment. while n82, n79 and n85 are so much cheaper because there are so many of them that have the same feature sets. and 5mp is now just a standard for a camera phone.
Anonymous, 31 Oct 2008The only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you ... moreThe iPhone gaming experience leaves them all for dead.
Either with the games available from the App store or jailbroken with all the emulators, there is no comparison.
If you say it isn't so you musn't have used one.
Bakekang, 31 Oct 2008U can also add 6220c to the list of phones that can do what INNOV8 does except for wifi. But w... moreThe only thing i8510 can claim is the 8mp and good sound quality (if you check smape.com, you will see the statement saying the difference in SQ between i8510 is so small, most people wont notice it). It doesnt beat other phones on gaming, battery life, ease of use, value for money, software goodies that come with n-series, its UI isnt faster than n95 8gb, n82, n85, n79, despite its processor having a faster clockrate, its dimensions and weight make it quite difficult to operate. Whats worse, its battery life is so bad you cant use the features without charging the phone once or twice a day. The benchmark tests dont really count for anything since you cant really enjoy your games with the mediocre battery. Furthermore your gaming experience cannot compare to n96 or n85 gaming experience dual slide gaming keys
If you ask me, i would rather go for phones which have a unique feature like n82 (xenon flash), n79 (fm transmitter, xpress-on covers), or even i7110 (fm transmitter). The i8510 is just one big pile of upgrades with nothing new. Just an upgraded camera, upgraded sound and upgraded processor. If it came with either a power efficient processor, fm transmitter, touchscreen, more compact body, xenon flash or even a better retail package, then i would say its worth consideration. But only 3mp extra of camera? Its not worth it especially for users who have n95, n95 8gb, n96, n82, n79 or n85. Those 3 extra megapixels dont justify its pricing compared to the rest of these phones.
You should really get your mind out of the myth that more megapixels equals better quality.
iolo003, 31 Oct 2008Truely I believe in Cute Guys opinion Innov8 is nothing special than n96, n95, n85, n82, n7... moreU can also add 6220c to the list of phones that can do what INNOV8 does except for wifi. But which does it best? It is same as this scenario. N82 and N81 can play music but which produces the best sonic experience? N96 and N95 both have 5MP Carl Zeiss lens w/ DVD-like video recording but which produces the best results? From the article I've read about INNOV8 in smape.com, INNOV8 is really expensive but it's worth every penny you'll pay for it since it gives nothing but the best performance, be it in camera, music, gaming, web browsing, GPS navigation, video playback, build quality, etc. But N96 is not worth its high price tag considering you'll get less for what you'll pay for, poorer image quality than the so much less expensive N82, worse sound quality than N81, lower quality build than its little brother N85, poorer battery life than its predecessor N95 8Gb. N96 and INNOV8's prices are almost the same in some countries. But INNOV8 is clearly more worth buying. Because there is no phone right now that can produce life-size high quality photos, excellent DVD-like videos and slow motion videos, best sound quality, high frame rate gaming graphics, fast and intituitive user interface, and high quality build and materials than INNOV8. All review sites are one in saying that INNOV8 is currently the best all-round multimedia right now. INNOV8 already has its market share and the good thing is it doesn't have any competition right now. Even Nokia's current flagship device, N96, is not to be considered as INNOV8's main rival since N96 has certain market niche only.
Anonymous, 30 Oct 2008Just like I'm happy with using my iPhone and my desk is happy with my boring old N82 paperweig... moreit think your desk is happier than you :) the table has nokia n82 and you have iPhone who cant even take a video of yourself living miserably because you own having a very expensive phone yet fall short on everything aspect except UI.
I call that up front robbery and high stake deception.
Truely I believe in Cute Guys opinion
Innov8 is nothing special than n96, n95, n85, n82, n79 etc because i can do anything that it can do using nokia phones.
I belong to practical people who doesnt live on numbers of benchmark scores, i live in reality, that money is earned and work hard for, that all i need are things thats worth every cents of it and Nokia fulfils those by offering powerful multimedia devices yet not hurting my pocket.
Isnt life beautiful in that sense? Choose Nokia and get the best features, the best value and the best service or choose innov8 were il live miserably because its not worth the value.