Ale, 09 Oct 2015I agree that high frequencies are a real problem when it comes to mobile platforms. I think... morei'm a Sony fan but i never try to convince other ppl to also be a fan...i like ur honesty......but ppl are gonna hate u for what u said(just like u mentioned)
AnonD-322352, 09 Oct 2015Surprised as to why Sony didn't use the S808 in this thing. It's cooler and less controversial... moreCuase Sony Compacts always use their bigger sibling's internals and that's a tradition....btw Sony compacts are supposed to be an exact flagship
Adiyel, 09 Oct 2015Anandtech has done tests, and the best frequencies for the A57s is about 1.6GHz. After that, t... moreI agree that high frequencies are a real problem when it comes to mobile platforms.
I think ARM themselves once put out an official statement saying that they considered 1.3Ghz to be the optimal operating Frequency for an A15 core in a smartphone (considering the increased performance of successive cores like the A57 and A72 I can't see that this number should have gone up)
Your probably all going to hate me for this (more so than you already do :) but after returning the Z5 I bought the iPhone 6S, I have found it's performance to be superb. Even when setting the device up and restoring an iCloud back up (from an earlier iPhone I once owned) two things that normally make any smartphone quite hot, this phone didn't even get warm.
I have yet to play any long gaming sessions on it so can't speak to it's thermal behavioural properties in that regard, but so far it has been highly impressive.
Surprised as to why Sony didn't use the S808 in this thing. It's cooler and less controversial than the S810. The 720p display ain't gonna draw that much of a power, anyways...
Andrew, 09 Oct 2015You can buy Z5C Black from a shop in NL for 499.... can you post the link..I stay in france actually
Tee, 09 Oct 2015There's no hope for these guys Ale, they talk from what they read in articles verses owning a ... moreOh on the contrary, I'm betting TannHauser being a Sony fanatical nut of the highest order has probably bought like 50 or so of them, just to try to influence the sales figures :)
It's the objectivity of his opinion I doubt, Though I hate the term, TannHauser is a true 'fanboy' oozing pro Sony Bias, and like his ilk he will be inclined to prattle on endlessly about Sony Products pro's and reject out of hand any con's (and attack those who maybe voice them).
I don't do brand loyalty as a rule, as such I am free to focus on the pro's and con's on any product I buy, but considering the price we are asked to pay for flagship smartphones I do tend to focus on the con's when I see them.
With regards Snapdragon SoC's, I have in the past had many and enjoyed them all (more or less), it's not until the 810 that I have actually returned one based on the SoC itself.
That said you seem to be more far more level headed than the others I have had exchanges with in this thread and as such I do to accept your opinion of negativity towards your experiences with Snapdragon devices.
Ale, 09 Oct 2015Yes your right many phones have had this option for while now, usually is under the 'restrict ... moreAnandtech has done tests, and the best frequencies for the A57s is about 1.6GHz. After that, there seems to be a progressively worsening current leakage, heat production, and battery waste. You can apparently get away with 1.8GHz just fine, though. Even apple iPhone is having issues trying to clock their processor at 1.8GHz.
And yes I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but trying to clock things too high is problematic. I bet the iPhone 6 SoC will fare better long term than the 6s'
Tee, 09 Oct 2015Cheer up mate, I played a session of gaming yesterday for 45 minutes just to see what you're t... moreImpressive, and a recent test by Anandtech would seem to corroborate your claims in regards the efficiency of the Exynos 7420 (and I would take their findings over the opinions of the some of the muppets posting in this thread!!!).
Would be eager to see how the Exynos 7420 and Apple A9 stack up efficiency wise, and then add the Snapdragon 820 to that equation when available.
Like I said I believe 2015 has been something of an off year for Qualcomm and that is due the fact that they are out of their element when not implementing their own custom architecture.
Adiyel, 09 Oct 2015This has been an option since the kitkat and SD801 days. If you look in the power management s... moreYes your right many phones have had this option for while now, usually is under the 'restrict performance' heading of a power saving function. The problem with this being a proposed solution to thermal issues however is that the power saving function usually comes with a number of other features that have to be enabled along with restricted performance, most namely:
1. dimmer screen
2. restricted data access
I don't think anyone would be happy to required to run their device in power saving mode constantly due to performance issues of the SoC as standard.
Besides this I believe is different though from actually down clocking an SoC out of the box so to speak. like I said Oneplus seems to have had success by simply clocking the 810 at a max of 1.8ghz, but it seems other OEM's want to maintain that magical 2ghz number for marketing reasons.
At 1.8ghz the 810 seems to behave just fine thermal wise, ok it's performance figures are then more in line with what the 808 offers at least CPU wise (which are by no means bad), but it still has the benefit of the 430 gpu and superior ISP over the 808 (and other smaller advantages).
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sony attempt to 'fix' the thermal problems the Z3+ was having by issuing a firmware update that did reduce the SoC max frequency, or at least limit the use of the four A57 cores???
AnonD-404798, 08 Oct 2015other guy you were replaying to said that he played a game for 30 min and no heat up at all an... moreCheer up mate, I played a session of gaming yesterday for 45 minutes just to see what you're talking about. Started off at 28 degrees idle, played Asphalt 8, Lara Croft Go, Hungry Shark and some Shadow Fight 2. Max temperature after 45 minutes was a mere 36 degrees... if I was using SD or MTK I'll be exceeding 45-50 degrees by now. I'll say it again, the Exynos SoC is the most efficient chip in the market right now.
Ale, 09 Oct 2015Ah TannHouser! I was wondering when you would bring your particular brand of Sony obsessed lun... moreThere's no hope for these guys Ale, they talk from what they read in articles verses owning a device yourself to test its pros and cons. Like the guy you quoted "Z5 and its variants ARE the best flagship phones at this moment" he hasn't even tried it.
There's no saving the SD810, be it v2.1 or not. The Crapdragon's heat in several earlier devices I've owned was the reason I sold them.
honest opinion guys
z5 compact or nexus 5x 32 gb.
Since I am in Europe I have 70Â€ price difference.(529Â€ for the nexus 5 32gb and 599Â€ for z5 compact. If I was in Germany(only) z5 compact would have been 549Â€)
Currently I own lenovo P770 (excellent battery life, no software updates).
need a new phone and a good suggestion
Ale, 09 Oct 2015Ah TannHouser! I was wondering when you would bring your particular brand of Sony obsessed lun... moreAh, you...whoever you are ?
You response as I should give a damn about your personal opinion....
But I do not.
I speak of facts, not opinions...
I can claim my facts, can you claim yours, babbler?
Actually, do not even go there, I do not care of your opinion, only facts ;-)
DenisXD, 09 Oct 2015rooting is easy for someone who has done it before, not for someone who didn't have a smartpho... moreWe're not talking about flashing a new ROM or kernel...rooting your phone only voids your warranty, there usually is no risk whatsoever in damaging your phone if you wait for the better root methods to arrive (i.e. one click root methods)
Ale, 09 Oct 2015Maybe, but that would just be a concession from Sony that there was an issue in the first placeThis has been an option since the kitkat and SD801 days. If you look in the power management section of settings, the stamina mode option can be both toggled and entered. Once you enter stamina mode, there is an option called "extended usage." It says that it will "restrict device performance to increase battery time."
If you can interpret this, it means they UNDERCLOCK the cpu. It has nothing to do with heat, but everything to do with battery savings
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2015No way. Z5C trumps the Z3C camera.Really? The photo compare tool says otherwise to me.
AnonD-63308, 08 Oct 2015Z3C seems better with still images...(deleted - wrong quote)
AnonD-391800, 09 Oct 2015Sorry to burst all you Sd810 trolls'es bubble, but z5 only heats up just as any other flagship... moreAh TannHouser! I was wondering when you would bring your particular brand of Sony obsessed lunacy to the party!
You say "Z5 and its variants ARE the best flagship phones at this moment."
Well that is your opinion pal (which of course you are welcome to) but it carry's no more or less weight than anyone else's, in fact, as you are known on here for your obsessive pro Sony bias, I would say your opinion has a tad less oomph to it.
Still defending the 810 to hilt (despite increasing evidence to the contrary) I see, and for the sole reason being that it is the SoC used in the Xperia line you so adore. Had Sony opted to use a chip from another OEM, I highly doubt you would care one way or another about the 810!
the tech nerd, 09 Oct 2015It doesn't require down clocking as it has duel pipe solution and a lot of thermal gel ,a lot ... moreIt may very well require down clocking, I can speak from experience to the fact that the dual heat pipe and thermal gel solutions applied (to the Z5 at least) do not work. Now maybe they do on the Z5C though, it is a thicker bodied device, so may have more space available for thermal dissipation perhaps???
Clocking the 810 lower seems to have done the trick on the OnePlus 2, as far as I know there have been no performance issues relating to 810 thermal control reported on that device???