AnonD-541274, 07 Jun 2016HDR (High Dynamic Range) is an imaging term solely used in photography. I'm sure you meant qua... moreNope, meant exactly HDR fhd screen.
Read about it
The rumor was a hdr screen was coming to xperia 2016 flagship, then renounced
But again, same story was last year with sonys 4k mobile screen, only vague rumors, and...it actually happened. ;-)
Like in Sonys hdr TVs....acclaimed to be best screens of 2016
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd9405-xd9305-series
AnonD-541274, 07 Jun 2016HDR (High Dynamic Range) is an imaging term solely used in photography. I'm sure you meant qua... moreThe reason even I see it mainly as a gimmick is that, sure, it is usable, but it's really of very little practical benefit. Your movie doesn't look 4x better, and the photo, welll yes you can pixel-peep a bit more, but how often does one --really-- do that on a smartphone?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Sony were the first to do it, and I'm ---all--- for high-resolution-anything. Neither 4K nor 6Gb RAM are presently --needed-- on any smartphone. And both will be only very sparingly used to their potential on the ones that are. However when it is used to its potential, 6Gb is more likely to show a tangible advantage than using the 4K mode provides - at least, that is, until there is a killer VR app for screen. Which everyone hoped for, and still is, I guess...
Tann Hauser, 07 Jun 2016So, if sony puts a HDR FHD screen on its flag..
I have no doubt it ll be cheap to you too..... moreHDR (High Dynamic Range) is an imaging term solely used in photography. I'm sure you meant quadHD/qHD/2k screen. Because the term HDR FHD screen doesn't mix well.
Regarding the 4k screen in Z5 Premium, it's no gimmick. It's just that Sony has put some sense into the Z5 Premium display by not being a 4k screen all the time. It is properly used at the right moments (like watching 4k videos or looking at an incredibly detailed image) and maintaining a FHD profile with the rest of the time. It has both worlds of a practical and a highly-capable display. In other words, an adaptive screen.
The problem with Sony's marketing is that people would expect how will a true UHD display behaves in a Sony device, let alone in a smartphone. In saying so, the disappointment eclipsed the effort in engineering the Z5 Premium display (like what I have mentioned above).
If Sony went on with the marketing definition of [5.5" IPS LCD with Adaptive FHD & UHD-capable, Triluminos, X-Reality, and so on], the world might be actually surprised that a smartphone catered as an FHD is actually a legitimate UHD in disguise.
Which I assume would be a marketing success, without much emphasis on the word 4k.
Avan Dr, 07 Jun 20162K and 4K isn't gimmick. 2K is now standard for flagship. What make Z5P screen gimmick is bcz ... moreSo, if sony puts a HDR FHD screen on its flag..
I have no doubt it ll be cheap to you too...
Get lost.
AnonD-322352, 06 Jun 2016Actually, I prefer LCD as well. AMOLEDs are prone to burn-in.
Ever heard of the saying "you... moreA burn-in is an OLED/AMOLED/SAMOLED phenomenon and is rare in occurence as to a backlight bleed on LCDs.
There is a temporary and permanent burn-in as it is dependent on the chemical reactions of organic materials (inside the panel) at play. Meaning, if such a thing occurs, it's not yet over. Sadly, it is random and less predictable. You will never know. But rest assured, it is rare to happen.
Whereas the latter is more likely to occur as it is directly affected by the manufacturing quality. So if you know of a bad LCD maker, the chances are high. That makes it conveniently predictable at the mercy of an LCD creator. In short, solvable.
I hope this clear things up. Thank you.
2K and 4K isn't gimmick. 2K is now standard for flagship. What make Z5P screen gimmick is bcz it runs at FHD.
Fanboy here always say, FHD is enough and better performance, if only about performance why not use HD or qHD? It will has better better performance right? FHD is now standard for mid ranger or cheap flagship.
Sony when you can not settle for less. Hehe
Lex79, 06 Jun 2016Precisely.
Thr difference i would highlight between the 4k screen of the Z5P and the 6gb ra... moreYes, true, some gimmicks are less practical than others. On the other hand the 4k screen has more "bragging power" than just a higher number on the RAM count - I doubt anyone will look back later and boast about being the first manufacturer to top 6gb as being any particular achievement.
4K did serve to give Sony some extra limelight, and arguably at a time when they really needed it. Gimmick, indeed, and surely it cost them more to develop than simply squeezing in an extra few G's. I guess only they can know if they feel it was ultimately worth it. Though I guess we will get a big clue in September based on whether or not an X Premium shows up.
Jumbo, 06 Jun 2016It's kind of an obvious point though. THe top specs are --never-- "needed", they're just there... morePrecisely.
Thr difference i would highlight between the 4k screen of the Z5P and the 6gb ram of a late 2016 flaghship (the Note 6 say) is that by the time 4k applications and content becomes the norm, the internals of the Z5P will be completly inadequate to support such things.
By contrast, When 6gb ram becommes the accepted standard, the Note 6 will still be relevant.
So whilst both spec points might at the moment seem excessive, I would see extra ram being more in line with 'future proofing' than that screen.
The Z5P was one of the biggest gimmicks of recent mobile history.
Tann Hauser, 06 Jun 2016Agreed.
4K screen is as much not needed, or needed as a 2k one.
Except! VR usage ;-)
I he... moreThe xperia z5p doesn't use 4k for vr. It was just a marketing gimmick.
And most people can tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p in normal usage too.
Tann Hauser, 06 Jun 2016Nah, its the same... 6gb ram, 4k screen....not actually needed tech....Gimmicks. But look at... moreCopying what?? you've lost me
Lex79, 06 Jun 2016Intersting, but then the rest of the hardware in the Z5P is not up to supporting VR in anythin... moreNah, its the same...
6gb ram, 4k screen....not actually needed tech....Gimmicks.
But look at sammy copying :-)
Tann Hauser, 06 Jun 2016Agreed.
4K screen is as much not needed, or needed as a 2k one.
Except! VR usage ;-)
I he... moreIntersting, but then the rest of the hardware in the Z5P is not up to supporting VR in anything above 1080p, and I think Sony were and are quite aware of that.
Which takes us back to 'Gimmick' territory.
I'll agree its a little bit overrkill for now, but give me the extra ram over the extra resolution anyday.
A device released in 2016 with 6gb of ram is nowhere near as much of a gimmick as the Z5P and its 4k screen was in 2015.
AnonD-322352, 06 Jun 2016I have no idea what you're babbling about. AFAIK, Android is a system that expands into the RA... moreAhhah...
Yeah it ended uplike a babble, I admit B-)
Needles to say, android RAM acess limitations are not up to par with SoC developers max RAM limitations, software is not keeping up with tech development.
and Im most certain those who are buying 6gb ram devices now, will not live to see them utilised at all on their devices, before their next 2-3-4 year device upgrade cycle.
They are buying a marketing stunt.
Tann Hauser, 06 Jun 2016Oh, but....
Bigger RAM only makes apps in active cache well...active,in background, not makin... moreI have no idea what you're babbling about. AFAIK, Android is a system that expands into the RAM available to it which means that the more RAM you have, the more of a performance buffer you end up with. That's why even when you are not doing anything taxing, an Android phone will generally be using at least 60 per cent of its total RAM.
S7 sucks at RAM management, particularly the SD version. It's not the fault of the RAM...
As the amount of RAM packed into phones increases, Android will be naturally be designed for handsets with more of it. The first Android phones had only 128MB, after all. Those seemingly OP amount of RAM may not be necessary for now, but it is not going to hurt.
AnonD-322352, 06 Jun 2016Actually, I prefer LCD as well. AMOLEDs are prone to burn-in.
Ever heard of the saying "you... moreOh, but....
Bigger RAM only makes apps in active cache well...active,in background, not making them smoother, if those dont require that more amount of ram.
Android keeps only certain amount of apps ready to go in the background, and closes them only if more Ram is needed for some heavy app, or game.
Its up to manufacturer to decide how much active cache is available to that certain amount of apps, and what the lowest limit of always available RAM wil be, along with limiting bloatware permissions to activate in background.
Under developer settings there is no unlimited but only standard "keep apps open" amount option.
Now, that could change to unlimited in some upcoming android version, but I seriously doubt it.
Smoothness and performance, those depend more of SoC and storage managment, along with UI optimization (bloatware control).
Best way to tell theres actually no difference at this moment between 3gb or 4gb RAM...by refresh on reopening apps,
Xeetech showed how S7 with 4gb ddr4 refreshes almost same amount of apps as X with 3gb ddr3.
So all that 6gb....never to be used in coming years, cause of androids limits...
Could change in some future, but will only be seable in amount of apps in active cache state.
Then maybe, they could go for 2k to 4k resol games tbat would require that amount of ram, but on small mobile screens...it is quite meaningless
It's kind of an obvious point though. THe top specs are --never-- "needed", they're just there to set the bar higher and let developers find more ways to use up the resources. In a way, those features (almost) --always-- become "needed" within a year or two of first appearing, simply because people start making ways to take advantage of them and thus everything that doesn't reach that level is therefore not sufficient anymore. Self-fulfilling prophecy thing, if you like. If developers were -forced- to always work within 2Gb (and that goes for Android too), we would have much more efficient systems in general.
Having said that, the cost of RAM is clearly far less than the expense of the developer to optimise to that extent, so, in the end it makes economic sense anyway....
I can't believe you two actually agreed on something ;)
Lex79, 06 Jun 2016If 6gb ram is a marketing gimmick, based around the fact that it's not required right now, the... moreAgreed.
4K screen is as much not needed, or needed as a 2k one.
Except! VR usage ;-)
I heard sammy developed one too... :-)
But those 2-3 gb...never to be used on mobile,not for another 4-5 years at least
Tann Hauser, 06 Jun 2016I can tell you sth that is most certainly not futureproof:
Amoled screens for ex, with only 4... moreIf 6gb ram is a marketing gimmick, based around the fact that it's not required right now, then I suppose you could say the same regarding the Z5p and it's 4k screen???
Just a marketing stunt 'added so to "impress" potential buyers' and all that.
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