Lex79, 15 May 2017'Everybody are fans of it'
You don't really believe that do you?
There's a cost element... moreNo I really believe that. There are studies showing that people don't want big and heavy devices (what a surprise).
That's true across all medium, from phones to laptops and tablets, to TVs even.
"everybody wants a smaller and lighter device". That's literally true even for those that think that they don't.
The only reason people go to bigger devices is for screen and battery size alone (or any other extra features), nothing else! Do you think that many would buy a giant phone with a small screen in the middle? Think again, Dell tried it with the Dell Streak, what a spectacular failure that phone was...
Anonymous, 15 May 2017No everybody are fans of it.
Note phones sold better once they removed excessive bezels (an... more'Everybody are fans of it'
You don't really believe that do you?
There's a cost element that partially accounts for the sales difference between regular and plus iPhones.
Look, am not saying there are not advantages to smaller bezels, but there are drawbacks as well. And this whole 19:8 'no bezel' thing doesn't have everyone on board
I would like to see more low light shots in MANUAL mode. Will they be so bad???
Lex79, 15 May 2017That's entirely subjective, and one handed use is not the most important aspect for all people... moreNo everybody are fans of it.
Note phones sold better once they removed excessive bezels (and are actually much smaller than Xperia premium). IPhone plus sells a lot worse that regular iPhone, people prefer it for the bigger screen and battery, not the bezels.
If you make the same screen and battery size with less bezels most of everyone would prefer it. People don't like big devices, they like big screens.
The ideal is big screen in a small device, anything else is settling for less.
Anonymous, 15 May 2017The bezel is not about looks. It's about how big the device is. Xperia premium is a behemoth o... moreThat's entirely subjective, and one handed use is not the most important aspect for all people.
The XZP is big and heavy yes, that'll bother some and not others. Being big and heavy never stopped the Note range finding an audience, it hasn't stopped the 'Plus' series of iPhones being successful.
Not all people are fans of this minimal bezel philosophy, would say I'm convinced as yet, and the edge screen.....no thanks, more gimmick than feature.
My opinion of course, it won't be the same for everyone......
Anonymous, 15 May 2017Dual edge screen = cute but useless, more fragile
Bixby = still unfinished, Google's will... moreI'd be the last to praise S8.
So you chose the wrong guy to lecture about Samsung.
IMO they should find a way to make battery removable again (don't know how, you're Samsung find a way)
Use 17:9, so when soft buttons are on the usable screen would be 16:9
Use true 4k (4096x2160), given the 17:9 aspect ratio. That way they'll make gear vr useful (right now it's useless due to the low resolution and screen door effect of QHD+ pentile).
Also true 4k is a film standard, so it would look great to many movies.
Use more ram so that they'll be future proofed and better ram management so that background apps will be closed by the OS only when leaking battery. Less loading is huge for day to day experience.
Lastly they should use underclass fingerprint sensor, the fingerprint in the back is useless.
Oh fix the over saturated photos too.
See I'm nowhere nears a Samsung fan. Doesn't mean that I'll like Sony. Those two along with HTC form the unholy trinity of middling quality at crazy prices.
So I dont know what to do. Either I should take SGS8 or wait for XZ.
I was really expecting this phone to be released.
Now I see the REVIEW.
The only thing that is still unclear is the low light photos quality.
The review states directly that WE HAVE A PROBLEM. SOmeone else posted a link, which leads to a set of low light photos - S8 vs XZ P comparison. The only conclusion that comes to my mind is that XZ P lags a lot on this ground.
Tann Hauser, 15 May 2017You can read can you:
"But if you want to use lower ISO and shutter speed, you ... moreYeah so? GSMA mentioned it because it needed to be mentioned at first place. No other phones need any mention that they are well equipped for low light shots, that's why there's no separate mention like that. Read some other phones' reviews and talk.
This camera doesn't hold a candle to any available flagship as far as I can see. I think the low light shots from One Plus 3 is pretty much comparable.
If this had a good camera then it would have been mentioned at first place. Like people already know that Pixel has the best camera, along with S7 and other phones. Besides no point in discussing really, people don't expect a good camera from Sony anyway, so Sony never bothers to put a good one. Basically users are better off with a Chinese phone then this typically overpriced nonsense.
I'm sure you're hurting because you're clearly delusional but that's your problem honestly about which no one gives a darn.
Tann Hauser, 15 May 2017Not so sure abiut your objectivity. XZ prem vs S7 vs iph7 in dusk lowlight: http://imgur.... moreMy objectivity is supreme and is based ont tool comparison feature. XZP takes as awful photos as the iPhone 7 does. Nowhere close even for s6
Lex79, 15 May 2017Yeah the bezel thing is a total non argument as far as I'm concerned, I care more about how a ... moreThe bezel is not about looks. It's about how big the device is. Xperia premium is a behemoth of a device, most have to forget one handed use, and many would have to never use articles of clothing that they used to like (the phone doesn't fit)
Bezels should be removed and decent palm rejection should be applied. Bezels are a throwback to the past.
AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017"That's what I'm calling a middling company. One that pationately cares about things that don'... moreWrong! I was one of those criticizing Samsung too. Since S5/Note 4 Sony plunged into untold depths so you won't see me praising her either.
That doesn't make Sony a good company, they're both poor companies but at least Samsung tries genuine innovation, like for example the excellent accurate screens of hers that are objectively the best in the world. But I agree with you that they fail in a lot of things too.
There are very few companies that make steps forwards at all times. Maybe Xiaomi, maybe Huawei (their high end models), maybe Apple (maaaybe) ... but most of the rest are f%&$ing around, like Sony never fixing her camera performance despite the heroic attempts or Samsung removing things that the pro crowd used (remov battery, IR).
AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017I see your point, to a degree. But it's worth noting that niether the XZP or the XZs display ... moreYeah the bezel thing is a total non argument as far as I'm concerned, I care more about how a device operates than how it looks. Guess we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on the 'best' stabilisation.
I would say that maybe the current 5-axis steadyshot is the smoothest perhaps by a hair, but in my experience it at the expense of those two draw backs that cannot be overlooked.
AnonD-89109, 15 May 2017Then I suppose GSMA team need eye doctors too? Cause this is what they say,
"The samples ar... moreYou can read can you:
"But if you want to use lower ISO and shutter speed, you should have the XZ Premium stabilized. And if you do, the Intelligent Auto will actually do a great job at getting a nice picture without requiring you to figure out the manual settings."
"We also snapped a few dusk samples, hand-held. Those turned out very good and you won't need a tripod for any dusk shooting - the XZ Premium is well equipped to handle those scenes."
Lex79, 15 May 2017Agree with many of your points, especially regarding battery optimisation, but not sure I woul... moreI see your point, to a degree. But it's worth noting that niether the XZP or the XZs display any overheating, and the S8 actually limits the time you can record 4k to 10 minutes. Yes really.
Swings and roundabouts on that one. There's no contest that the XZP has the best video and stabilisation on a smartphone currently.
But hey,... it has bezels. Apparently they matter.
Tann Hauser, 15 May 2017Why thank you for sharing. Yep, IMO XZ is best here. Same as here: http://imgur.com/a/... moreThose images made by Wily fox! I guess!! Why!? Times! We are three times in one to one images! Also source of Lights! Why three projectors R ON in first image!? why those pictures are not in SAME TIME....
AnonD-643330, 15 May 2017You're blind and you need eye doctor ! It's the worst Camera ?? Realy?? just 960 fps is Enough... moreThen I suppose GSMA team need eye doctors too? Cause this is what they say,
"The samples are hardly inspiring, with plenty of detail lost to heavy-handed noise reduction, which ironically isn't doing all that good of a job of masking the noise itself. Now it's not a terrible performance by any means, but it's just lagging behind the vast majority of competitors."
It clearly is THE WORST phone for low light and not the best in daylight either. So in a nutshell waste of a phone, just like the ones came before this. Sony has consistency for producing phones with poor cameras, that's the only positive here, their consistency.