AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017"That's what I'm calling a middling company. One that pationately cares about things that don'... moreWrong! I was one of those criticizing Samsung too. Since S5/Note 4 Sony plunged into untold depths so you won't see me praising her either.
That doesn't make Sony a good company, they're both poor companies but at least Samsung tries genuine innovation, like for example the excellent accurate screens of hers that are objectively the best in the world. But I agree with you that they fail in a lot of things too.
There are very few companies that make steps forwards at all times. Maybe Xiaomi, maybe Huawei (their high end models), maybe Apple (maaaybe) ... but most of the rest are f%&$ing around, like Sony never fixing her camera performance despite the heroic attempts or Samsung removing things that the pro crowd used (remov battery, IR).
AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017I see your point, to a degree. But it's worth noting that niether the XZP or the XZs display ... moreYeah the bezel thing is a total non argument as far as I'm concerned, I care more about how a device operates than how it looks. Guess we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on the 'best' stabilisation.
I would say that maybe the current 5-axis steadyshot is the smoothest perhaps by a hair, but in my experience it at the expense of those two draw backs that cannot be overlooked.
AnonD-89109, 15 May 2017Then I suppose GSMA team need eye doctors too? Cause this is what they say,
"The samples ar... moreYou can read can you:
"But if you want to use lower ISO and shutter speed, you should have the XZ Premium stabilized. And if you do, the Intelligent Auto will actually do a great job at getting a nice picture without requiring you to figure out the manual settings."
"We also snapped a few dusk samples, hand-held. Those turned out very good and you won't need a tripod for any dusk shooting - the XZ Premium is well equipped to handle those scenes."
Lex79, 15 May 2017Agree with many of your points, especially regarding battery optimisation, but not sure I woul... moreI see your point, to a degree. But it's worth noting that niether the XZP or the XZs display any overheating, and the S8 actually limits the time you can record 4k to 10 minutes. Yes really.
Swings and roundabouts on that one. There's no contest that the XZP has the best video and stabilisation on a smartphone currently.
But hey,... it has bezels. Apparently they matter.
Tann Hauser, 15 May 2017Why thank you for sharing. Yep, IMO XZ is best here. Same as here: http://imgur.com/a/... moreThose images made by Wily fox! I guess!! Why!? Times! We are three times in one to one images! Also source of Lights! Why three projectors R ON in first image!? why those pictures are not in SAME TIME....
AnonD-643330, 15 May 2017You're blind and you need eye doctor ! It's the worst Camera ?? Realy?? just 960 fps is Enough... moreThen I suppose GSMA team need eye doctors too? Cause this is what they say,
"The samples are hardly inspiring, with plenty of detail lost to heavy-handed noise reduction, which ironically isn't doing all that good of a job of masking the noise itself. Now it's not a terrible performance by any means, but it's just lagging behind the vast majority of competitors."
It clearly is THE WORST phone for low light and not the best in daylight either. So in a nutshell waste of a phone, just like the ones came before this. Sony has consistency for producing phones with poor cameras, that's the only positive here, their consistency.
Anonymous, 15 May 2017Yes, 90% of those are gimmicks, the opposite of innovation.
Innovation on phones is to make... moreDual edge screen = cute but useless, more fragile
Bixby = still unfinished, Google's will be available for all phones running android 6 and 7
Infinity screen = Tv is 16:9 and most of the content is made for tv, which means 2:1 or 18 5 :9 is waste of time.
Iris scanner = takes longer to unlock than FPS
BTW, S8 is considered the most fragile phone ever...
Anonymous, 15 May 2017Z5 premium was released in September 2015, that's almost 2 years ago. Like I said , they hardl... more"Almost". But not.
And the screen technology was not the same - the Z5P had worse viewing angles and no HDR. My point stands.
AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017This comment confuses me - 2 years ago nobody had tried a 4k screen, let along 4K plus HDR. 2... moreAgree with many of your points, especially regarding battery optimisation, but not sure I would say that the 5axis stabilisation is the best solution, for two reasons
1. Its very taxing on the Soc/isp, which I think goes some way toward the 'overheating' issue that can plague high end Xperia devices.
2. Is only active under limited circumstances.
For these reasons, I'd say the Pixel/iPhone have better solutions, if they are not quite as stable, then they are very close, but they are always active and whilst I've never used a Pixel, I have never had a iPhone complain that it has to shut the camera app down in order to cool down.
Maybe things are different now with the XZp and its newer hardware, we'll see.....
Anonymous, 15 May 2017Yes, 90% of those are gimmicks, the opposite of innovation.
Innovation on phones is to make... more"That's what I'm calling a middling company. One that pationately cares about things that don't matter."
Unlike the addition of a heartbeat monitor (nobody I know has ever used this), a very poor iris scanner (So poor that nobody could ever reliably wish to use it) and flinging the fingerprint scanner (not a very good one) onto the side back (where it's so poorly placed that,... you get the idea).
The lack of Bezels on the S8 lead to constant false input during my time with the device - including many, many times when I was forcibly ejected from the App I was using.
Sony pioneered water and dustproofing and put their fingerprint scanner (a very good one) right where it should be - constantly where your thumb will touch it.
People underestimate what Samsung got wrong with the S8 and overcriticise where they feel Sony's failings lie. So they have bezels? Rather bezels than constantly being kicked out of the camera because the edge of my finger brushes the back button. I know which is more annoying - and less user friendly.
AnonD-186803, 15 May 2017This comment confuses me - 2 years ago nobody had tried a 4k screen, let along 4K plus HDR. 2... moreZ5 premium was released in September 2015, that's almost 2 years ago. Like I said , they hardly made anything new in the screen resolution department.
Aslo those photo samples look awful despite all the "innovation" needed to take them. Innovation is not really that if it doesn't lead to palpably better results.
AnonD-77443, 15 May 2017http://imgur.com/a/knpR3
Interesting that you never post this link.
XZP is terrible in th... moreWhy thank you for sharing.
Yep, IMO XZ is best here.
Same as here:
Great automode this phone has in lowlight, even at higher exposure keeps great detail, dynamic range and color, with well controlled noise and less noise supression artefacts. Could use a bitmore contrast tho.
And at dusk there, just wow. Great detail, true color, great dynamic range.
XZ Prem is a beast at lowlight.
Tann Hauser, 15 May 2017So if I say Sony was most innovative in the last year or so that passed...
introducing ldac... moreYes, 90% of those are gimmicks, the opposite of innovation.
Innovation on phones is to make them more usable. Riddling them with bezels and small battery is what will definitely impact most users.
960fps video is something that noons is going to use, as well as front autofocus considering that the focal point of front cameras is always in about the same distance.
That's what I'm calling a middling company. One that pationately cares about things that don't matter.
Also despite all those "innovations" many agree with me that the camera performance is nothing spectacular. Goes to show that fixating on camera performance is never too good of an idea because the results are rarely as you want them.
Lastly the 4k monitor on phones is probably one of the worst ideas ever. It wastes resources for absolutely no reason. You cannot really see the added pixels unless and until you get too close for your own health's sake.
Being able to do something is not synonymous with having to do it.
GrumpyHumpyBrother, 15 May 2017Oh really?
Then let's talk about low light. As a Sony fan, I won't deny it - XZ Premium's low... moreYour point regarding Samsung's over sharpening is fair enough, but I would suggest Sony has a similar problem coming from the opposite direction.
Due to the high mp count on what is still a fairly small sensor, Sony rely on aggressive software noise reduction to ensure that the noise resulting form all those pixels crammed so tightly together is kept under control. I would say they don't do a good enough job. Pics from an Xperia are not pretty at all cropped in.
Also I doubt a pro photographer would pic either an Xperia or a Samsung for smartphone photography purposes, more likely they would choose a modern iPhone as the best compromise, and as it has access to powerful on device editing tools (through services like mobile version of adobe lightroom). When a pro would consider using a smartphone that is......
And again a pro would likely take one look at that camera ui and its clumsy/limited excuse for a manual mode and pass anyway.
AnonD-89109, 15 May 2017There's no news there really. That's what Sony is. Producing phones with poor cameras year aft... moreYou're blind and you need eye doctor ! It's the worst Camera ?? Realy?? just 960 fps is Enough to beats other phones ... go read DXO mark Sony phones are in top 3.
Slow motion 720p@960fps just for 5 seconds is very very short length
AnonD-89109, 15 May 2017There's no news there really. That's what Sony is. Producing phones with poor cameras year aft... moreUtter tosh. So far from any semblence of reality that one wonders if you actually read the review or looked at the samples before posting.
Yes at a 200% crop you see noise at pixel level but there are more pixels in a frame so you have to crop much further in to see the noise (which is what GSMs software automatically does). Crop identically to the competition and you'll see 2 things: the noise disappears and the detail is higher. The colours are also the most accurate and the general composition is far more natural.
These are things that professional photographers actually WANT.