Anonymous, 15 May 2017If sony make a bezeless phone, would you prefer a big bezel phone to match your current statement?Do you really think the size of bezel matters to me? With big bezel or small bezel, it does not matter, as long as it is fast and does not slow down in 7 months, Stereo speakers, a good camera, and what matters for me is the video stabilization, the OIS on the S8 is terrible, 2017 and still having JELLO effect is awful
Equinox96, 15 May 2017Samsung processing isnt better: S8:https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/201704/mobile01-8b3c... moreIf sony make a bezeless phone, would you prefer a big bezel phone to match your current statement?
Anonymous, 14 May 2017Worst battery than any flagship.
Very bad camera and many are agreeing with me. Sony post p... moreSamsung processing isnt better:
Xperia XZ Premium: https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/201704/mobile01-7baf0b5813e1503f4f2aee7e73fdcd7a.jpg
S8 has white-out and blue shades on the sky, noisy corners
Xperia XZP make true colors and real black nightsky,and less noise on the corners
Xperia XZ Premium: https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/201704/mobile01-e49258b7f6c38424225fc519c4a83df8.jpg
Sony Ui is one of the best ui on Android, fast, simple, customizable and one of the best ram management even better than OnePlus 3T, even the XZs is faster than S8
2K is even worst because nothing is made for this resolution, the 4K diference is visible: https://attach.mobile01.com/attach/201704/mobile01-49d5f86b6922a74472adfcb630cb47d0.jpg
And the HDR make the difference even bigger.
4K (native+upscaling): any video, on album app, Youtube
4K (native): Web Browsing, Games
"excessive bezels make a phone hard to use and hard to store" Hahaha is ridiculous
Some games are unplayable on bezeless phones as Real Racing 3, is so uncomfortable.
ithehappy, 14 May 2017Pointless in most part, on point in a few.
First off, this subjective thing has to stop. I ... moreYou're simply displaying a laughable bias now.
I focus on photography because it is my USP for a phone. The S8 it not "about 10%" worse than the XZP in most scenarios, it is clearly significantly worse on the metrics you yourself have highlighted. The things you praise about the camera are not unique to the S8 - the dynamic range, white balance (actually this is very poor on the S8) and exposure are clearly NOT superior on the S8 than the Sony - I've looked, I've used an S8 and I've compared numerous shots with those taken with the XZP. At best they're comparable - bar white balance, which the Sony has sown up.
The Sony has superior colour reproduction, edge sharpening and contrast: 3 things that - and here I agree with others on this thread - require an extremely irritating amount of work to correct if you get them wrong, which the S8 does every single time. The XZP is also the most detailed performer of the two.
To say "but that's only half the story - look at the low light",... well it's not half the story, is it? Be honest. You also have Macro (Sony), Video quality (Sony), Slow Motion (Sony by a wide margin) and video stabilisation (Sony again - see a pattern?)
Picking out low light and point out that the Xperia isn't as good as the S8 at defining detail when set in auto mode (forget the fact that Samsung have yet to build a camera that reproduces decent colours or contrast in low light) is disengenuous. The Xperia clearly has the overall better camera this year: low light is only part of that story, and you CAN get decent (if not class leading) results if you hit Manual. I take that hit because I want my video, macro and daylight shots to be significantly better than the crap that Samsung produces. They are.
And why are you hung up on OIS? So it doesn't have OIS. It has SteadyShot Plus - which Sony couldn't implement if the camera had OIS. You, and everyone else here, can see clearly what it does to stabilise video. That's more than enough justification for omitting OIS.
As to the other points: Samsung's screen outputs 1080p by default in all situations except media unless you tell it to do otherwise. I know, I've used it and I had to dig out the setting to change it.
In apps and homescreens the added resolution up to 2k is entirely and completely and utterly pointless, as virtually nobody is creating Android software that runs natively in 2k. In this regard the Samsung and the Sony are ENTIRELY THE SAME - running 1080p most of the time until there is media that requires more pixels. In Sony's case the media it will support is in a higher reolution. It's not like Sony's screen is some sort of abomination - I've yet to read a single review that hasn't called it an excellent screen. Get off your fanboy horse.
Bezels?! That's an arguement?!! Christ on a bike. Let me tell you something from experience: the bezel-less screen on the S8 is a ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS. Sure, it looks lovely but I was CONSTANTLY entering touches on the screen at inopportune moments because I had nowhere to hold the damn phone. Whoops, there goes the back button when I'm in the Camera. Damn, what word it that?! Oh yeah; the keyboard got confused because my thumb was touching the edge.
Frankly, mate, it was far, far more trouble than it was worth. At least on the Xperia I'll be able to grip the thing firmly when watching video and taking photos - things that became a chore on my S8.
How about we mention the other failures of the S8? The fingerprint scanner was rubbish and placed in a god awful place that made it completely redundant. Bixby did nothing - nothing at all - that Assistant doesn't already do better, and I was always hitting the damn Bixby button by accident. The Volume Rocker too was in a stupid place - far too high up to reach with any ease. And finally the iris scanner was glacially slow and required 3 seconds of faffing around each and every time to get my eyes in PRECISELY the right place to make it work. It counts as easily the worst implementation of biometrics I've ever been persuaded to try.
So please don't come on here with your rampant fanboyism - Samsung isn't God. Sony isn't God. Apple isn't God.
You make your choices based on your likes and dislikes. I've made mine: I want this year's best overall smartphone camera and a working fingerprint scanner that's put in a sensible place. I want a great screen and a fast processor. Any more is a bonus.
You, it seems, just want "A Samsung". Enjoy your S8.
after some time now xz premium is more attractive for me than s8 .. best phone ever
Tann Hauser, 14 May 2017Yup, you are right.
XZ Premium has unbeliavable quality camera be it daylight or low... moreWorst battery than any flagship.
Very bad camera and many are agreeing with me. Sony post processing is very bad
Fluid UI but low ram. Meaning as apps need more resources, as android needs more resources the phone would be more and more constrained. Definitely not future proofed.
4k on phones is a terrible gimmick. You have to keep it closer than 5 inches to see a difference. That makes a person cross eyed, very bad for the health of the person.
So 4k on phones means either be cross eyed or never see it. The definition of a gimmick. Sorry but that's just a fact.
Lastly it's the biggest 5.5 incher in the market, only Apple makes them bigger (and not for long). Apart from being an ancient design , excessive bezels make a phone hard to use and hard to store. Sony has to finally fix this.
And all those is not hating. They are a reasonable argument against a phone filled with drawbacks.
There are so many things that Sony could do better yet refuse to.
Fix post processing
Put larger battery especially given how thick the phone already is
Shave off some of the bezels. They should strive for 75-76% Body to screen ratio which is a fine one for 5.5 inches. It keeps the phone manageable.
They should disable the 4k screen in anything other than VR. It would requite more resources and people can't see the difference, so disable it already. By contrast it's very useful for VR, so they should support daydream officially.
They should add more ram, future proofs the phone and is instantly available to heavy users.
They could do even only half of the above, many of which are long standing complaints and they would instantly have a hit. But they refuse to, this phone's flaws are fatal to its success.
ithehappy, 14 May 2017Pointless in most part, on point in a few.
First off, this subjective thing has to stop. I ... moreA "semi pro photographer" talking so much about auto camera performance, must be a fake "semi auto photographer" to start with, as photographers do not care much about auto.
And you re so full of it on those XZ Prem lowlight performance, its excellent, with great detail preserve, color gamut, noise control and dynamic range, no ringing. All I see lacking in them is too much exposure that can be leveled out by single touch of LE in auto. Much better than others IMO.
The amount of comments on the Xperia phones is outstanding. That's tells you something. The classiest, snappiest, best looking, best overall android phone. Period
Timaustin2k, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... morePointless in most part, on point in a few.
First off, this subjective thing has to stop. I was a semi pro photographer back in the days, so I don't need any lesson from you. S8's camera takes oversaturated, unnatural photos, simple as that. This is why I didn't even bother to read the S8 reviews extensively, simply from my photography enthusiastic mind those samples look very bad, a photo has to come as natural as possible, leaving the space to edit as per one's need. This doesn't mean the exposure/dynamic range/white balance etc. will have to messed up, they have to be spot on as well.
Now does this phone take better photos in daytime than the S8? Yes. To what extent? 10% maybe? And in some photos the S8 is clearly superior simple as that.
Now that's 50% of the camera. Here comes low light. What happens now? See the S8's samples there and this phone's?
So am I supposed to have a probable better camera to a small margin for daytime, and then a camera which performs awfully poorly in night time? Where does this phone rank for low light photography? Wait, don't say that, mention one phone in same price point, or lower which performs worse in low light than this, or simply zip the mouth.
I am sorry but some jokes are in poor taste. So carry on by saying this phone has this or that camera, cause stupid comments won't change those awful low light samples come out from this phone.
Funny how all these are focused on camera only, though even I was ready to forgive other things if that were acceptable. Audio quality worse than other flagships. Look at that loudness section, hilarious. Even the OP3T has more loudness. And even in camera there is no OIS! Display, umm, I am not sure, is it 4K or 1080p? ROFL. And as this was released in 2017, bezels gotta count. Which begs the ultimate question, what is actually wrong with Sony? But who cares really, they have their fans, worse than Apple and Samsung's. Let's see how long they can carry on like this.
No one buys a Sony any more. Just another name in mobile business nowadays.
rotarydude007, 14 May 2017anyone know when this will be available in the US? been looking and can't find a place to buy it!Possibly available in a couple of weeks.Reports were speaking of availability starting around June 1.However,I am not sure if the US gets the same or a later release date...
Timaustin2k, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... moresimply shoot in RAW and use a 3rd party app to maximise the settings, and control your own contrast, iso, shutter speed etc, and avoid over saturated over sharpened images, problem solved. i would however like to see some colour profile setting added in a software update, but that is unlikely
anyone know when this will be available in the US? been looking and can't find a place to buy it!
Davood57, 14 May 2017Crystal clear explanation by a well informed photo shooter,appreciations on that,... Once I wa... moreIt is after all called Eye cam, isnt it?
Recreates almost what your eye sees. Thats why rgb sensor is there too.
You can always make a "beauty" shot with some settings, adding HDR, using Instagram, etc ( tho I really dislike cameras that use hdr postprocess on auto), but turning an overprocessed filtered shot into its more natural state is harder thing to do.
I dig why real photographers like to choose Sony for their daily driver phone
Timaustin2k, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... moreCrystal clear explanation by a well informed photo shooter,appreciations on that,... Once I was reading an article from a high profile photographer, he mentioned something which you might like to hear it,he said SONY is the only company which is brave enough too present you with a natural photo which allows you to keep it as it is without any pre contrast and pre saturation or photoshop it hence other cameras try to render the photos in a way that you will like them so it's the thing ( a natural photo vs a beautiful photo) it's your call after all
ithehappy, 14 May 2017Everyone knows S8 takes oversharpened, oversaturated photos. But still those look better than ... moreI don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that Samsung has chosen to make for me: that's not what a camera is for.
Subjectively you may like the results of the choices that Samsung has made on your behalf. To you that makes their images subjectively better. But objectively the purpose of a camera is to recreate the scene as you see it - the S8 DOES NOT DO THAT.
It's a matter of choice: Samsung steals my choice of what I want to do with the images I take. Sony takes the scene as I see it and allows me to up the contrast and saturation afterwards, as camera's should. With the S8 you're ALWAYS fighting the software.
I say again, you might like the choices that the S8 takes without permission but that's entirely up to you and completely subjective to your personal tastes. But a good camera doesn't dial anything: it recreats what you're looking at. Objectively, that's the purpose of a camera: to recreate the scene.
On this point the XZP beats the S8 in all decent light scenarios (It's also far more detailed).
I've just split screened the images taken for the S8 review and the images above: the S8 images are far, far too contrasty and comically saturated in comparison to the ones produced by the XZP.
I can imagine walking through the screen into the scene on the XZP's shots. I'd have to turn into Elmer Fudd to do the same in some of the S8's.
To correct that amount of automatic post processing (and I would: I have a new child to take pictures and video of - I want to preserve those memories correctly, not "prettily") would be an enormous ballache, considering I take a LOT of photos, as photography is a hobby of mine.
So you like the over coloured, oversharp, over "pretty" guff the S8 puts out. That doesn't make it the better camera.
Timaustin2k, 14 May 2017Are you even looking at the same pictures the rest of us are? The images in the review can be... moreEveryone knows S8 takes oversharpened, oversaturated photos. But still those look better than this phone's. The exposure balance on this phone is ridiculous! You can never change improper exposure with editing, but you can tone down colours easy, and sharpness too. I hate the S8 on its own, but when I look at something really pathetic like this the S8 feels like a great camera. And this was in daylight only. Needless to the S8 will eat this phone in night time. The low light samples from this phone compared with phones like S7, S8, Pixel, HTC 10 and you name any here, look like VGA quality. Read the GSMA comment if you can, what they mentioned about the image quality in low light, or should I copy that for you? And in daytime page, it says great image quality, right, but where does it say these samples are amongst one of the best available of late? Sony has fixed their own issues in this phone, like corner softness and all those nuisances, they simply created their best camera phone, that doesn't mean this phone can even compete with other phones from last year, or even the phones from 2015! Sony's reputation about the cameras on their own phones have always been horrible, everyone knows that like e=mc2, so this phone is simply one of their best effort to iron out those problems of previous generations. But other OEMs are leagues ahead already, so maybe in five more years they can finally reach a place where their camera phones can actually compete with other OEMs' phones, but till then God help them.
So please, save it for where its remotely even worth.
This will be my last comment on this utterly stupid fanboy driven section. I will never call the Samsung and Apple fanboys the worst, NEVER. They have an excellent competitor here, I wasn't aware of that previously.
XZ premium is the king!! Kneel losers before your king !!
The best quality display 4k hdr
Best video and stabilitation
Best quality sound.
Best and speed upadates.
Best navegation speed.
ithehappy, 13 May 2017But the XZP doesn't beat the S8 at all. The exposure is completely off on the XZP! There is no... moreAre you even looking at the same pictures the rest of us are? The images in the review can be directly compared to the images in the review of the S8 and they're superior. The balance of colour and contrast is better. The dynamic range on the S8 is actually fairly flat - especially in extreme situations, as my own shooting backs up (A few pictures of trees against a blue sky came out with the trees over exposed with a nasty milky overlay). There's no question at all in my mind - an S8 owner until yesterday - that the XZP is the better cameraphone.