AnonD-186803, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... morePointless in most part, on point in a few.
First off, this subjective thing has to stop. I was a semi pro photographer back in the days, so I don't need any lesson from you. S8's camera takes oversaturated, unnatural photos, simple as that. This is why I didn't even bother to read the S8 reviews extensively, simply from my photography enthusiastic mind those samples look very bad, a photo has to come as natural as possible, leaving the space to edit as per one's need. This doesn't mean the exposure/dynamic range/white balance etc. will have to messed up, they have to be spot on as well.
Now does this phone take better photos in daytime than the S8? Yes. To what extent? 10% maybe? And in some photos the S8 is clearly superior simple as that.
Now that's 50% of the camera. Here comes low light. What happens now? See the S8's samples there and this phone's?
So am I supposed to have a probable better camera to a small margin for daytime, and then a camera which performs awfully poorly in night time? Where does this phone rank for low light photography? Wait, don't say that, mention one phone in same price point, or lower which performs worse in low light than this, or simply zip the mouth.
I am sorry but some jokes are in poor taste. So carry on by saying this phone has this or that camera, cause stupid comments won't change those awful low light samples come out from this phone.
Funny how all these are focused on camera only, though even I was ready to forgive other things if that were acceptable. Audio quality worse than other flagships. Look at that loudness section, hilarious. Even the OP3T has more loudness. And even in camera there is no OIS! Display, umm, I am not sure, is it 4K or 1080p? ROFL. And as this was released in 2017, bezels gotta count. Which begs the ultimate question, what is actually wrong with Sony? But who cares really, they have their fans, worse than Apple and Samsung's. Let's see how long they can carry on like this.
No one buys a Sony any more. Just another name in mobile business nowadays.
AnonD-669339, 14 May 2017anyone know when this will be available in the US? been looking and can't find a place to buy it!Possibly available in a couple of weeks.Reports were speaking of availability starting around June 1.However,I am not sure if the US gets the same or a later release date...
AnonD-186803, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... moresimply shoot in RAW and use a 3rd party app to maximise the settings, and control your own contrast, iso, shutter speed etc, and avoid over saturated over sharpened images, problem solved. i would however like to see some colour profile setting added in a software update, but that is unlikely
anyone know when this will be available in the US? been looking and can't find a place to buy it!
AnonD-643350, 14 May 2017Crystal clear explanation by a well informed photo shooter,appreciations on that,... Once I wa... moreIt is after all called Eye cam, isnt it?
Recreates almost what your eye sees. Thats why rgb sensor is there too.
You can always make a "beauty" shot with some settings, adding HDR, using Instagram, etc ( tho I really dislike cameras that use hdr postprocess on auto), but turning an overprocessed filtered shot into its more natural state is harder thing to do.
I dig why real photographers like to choose Sony for their daily driver phone
AnonD-186803, 14 May 2017I don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that... moreCrystal clear explanation by a well informed photo shooter,appreciations on that,... Once I was reading an article from a high profile photographer, he mentioned something which you might like to hear it,he said SONY is the only company which is brave enough too present you with a natural photo which allows you to keep it as it is without any pre contrast and pre saturation or photoshop it hence other cameras try to render the photos in a way that you will like them so it's the thing ( a natural photo vs a beautiful photo) it's your call after all
ithehappy, 14 May 2017Everyone knows S8 takes oversharpened, oversaturated photos. But still those look better than ... moreI don't want to run every single image I ever take through a filter to remove the choices that Samsung has chosen to make for me: that's not what a camera is for.
Subjectively you may like the results of the choices that Samsung has made on your behalf. To you that makes their images subjectively better. But objectively the purpose of a camera is to recreate the scene as you see it - the S8 DOES NOT DO THAT.
It's a matter of choice: Samsung steals my choice of what I want to do with the images I take. Sony takes the scene as I see it and allows me to up the contrast and saturation afterwards, as camera's should. With the S8 you're ALWAYS fighting the software.
I say again, you might like the choices that the S8 takes without permission but that's entirely up to you and completely subjective to your personal tastes. But a good camera doesn't dial anything: it recreats what you're looking at. Objectively, that's the purpose of a camera: to recreate the scene.
On this point the XZP beats the S8 in all decent light scenarios (It's also far more detailed).
I've just split screened the images taken for the S8 review and the images above: the S8 images are far, far too contrasty and comically saturated in comparison to the ones produced by the XZP.
I can imagine walking through the screen into the scene on the XZP's shots. I'd have to turn into Elmer Fudd to do the same in some of the S8's.
To correct that amount of automatic post processing (and I would: I have a new child to take pictures and video of - I want to preserve those memories correctly, not "prettily") would be an enormous ballache, considering I take a LOT of photos, as photography is a hobby of mine.
So you like the over coloured, oversharp, over "pretty" guff the S8 puts out. That doesn't make it the better camera.
AnonD-186803, 14 May 2017Are you even looking at the same pictures the rest of us are? The images in the review can be... moreEveryone knows S8 takes oversharpened, oversaturated photos. But still those look better than this phone's. The exposure balance on this phone is ridiculous! You can never change improper exposure with editing, but you can tone down colours easy, and sharpness too. I hate the S8 on its own, but when I look at something really pathetic like this the S8 feels like a great camera. And this was in daylight only. Needless to the S8 will eat this phone in night time. The low light samples from this phone compared with phones like S7, S8, Pixel, HTC 10 and you name any here, look like VGA quality. Read the GSMA comment if you can, what they mentioned about the image quality in low light, or should I copy that for you? And in daytime page, it says great image quality, right, but where does it say these samples are amongst one of the best available of late? Sony has fixed their own issues in this phone, like corner softness and all those nuisances, they simply created their best camera phone, that doesn't mean this phone can even compete with other phones from last year, or even the phones from 2015! Sony's reputation about the cameras on their own phones have always been horrible, everyone knows that like e=mc2, so this phone is simply one of their best effort to iron out those problems of previous generations. But other OEMs are leagues ahead already, so maybe in five more years they can finally reach a place where their camera phones can actually compete with other OEMs' phones, but till then God help them.
So please, save it for where its remotely even worth.
This will be my last comment on this utterly stupid fanboy driven section. I will never call the Samsung and Apple fanboys the worst, NEVER. They have an excellent competitor here, I wasn't aware of that previously.
XZ premium is the king!! Kneel losers before your king !!
The best quality display 4k hdr
Best video and stabilitation
Best quality sound.
Best and speed upadates.
Best navegation speed.
ithehappy, 13 May 2017But the XZP doesn't beat the S8 at all. The exposure is completely off on the XZP! There is no... moreAre you even looking at the same pictures the rest of us are? The images in the review can be directly compared to the images in the review of the S8 and they're superior. The balance of colour and contrast is better. The dynamic range on the S8 is actually fairly flat - especially in extreme situations, as my own shooting backs up (A few pictures of trees against a blue sky came out with the trees over exposed with a nasty milky overlay). There's no question at all in my mind - an S8 owner until yesterday - that the XZP is the better cameraphone.
People yawning about Samsung will get more sales and it is a good device because it get more sales bla blaa .. More sales doesn't defines how good a cell phone is
Don't forget crappie brand like Oppo and Vivo are one of the current top selling brands in term of sales.. So, samesung fan boys arguemet is invalid.. Where as top brands like Sony, Motorola, LG are not in good sales but they produces the best phones in the market..
Where as brands like Oppo, Vivo and Samsung relies on the marketing to sell their products ..lmao
All hail king Sony
Tann Hauser, 14 May 2017Yup, you are right.
XZ Premium has unbeliavable quality camera be it daylight or low... moreFirst time one could actually agree with you.
The phone indeed has an "unbelievable" camera.
Where is antutu ? Anyone knows? And i want to camera compare xzp vs s8 in low light...replay fast
385 comments in a review shows that sony still gets so much love....people want practical high end smartphones...
Anonymous, 14 May 2017Still the sound-chip (for headphones usage) isn't flagship-worthy on this phone. And the talk time is a whopping 6 hours less than the S8 and same with video playback, also 6 hours less. No way round that.