AnonD-661543, 24 May 2017don't fool yourself.That blind test was absolute jock.cropped and changed the size of images.... moreOk, lets pretend your right (funny that sony fans have never had issues with blind tests till now).
How do you explain the poor result in the gsma low light studio test (28 lux is still ok lighting)?
Basically the XZP camera is poor in anything but good light. http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=5&idPhone1=8161&idPhone2=8593
Anonymous, 24 May 2017And??? The S8 is still the gsma reviewer and reader choice.And?? That doesn't make it better objectively, it just means that the images it produces are sugar coated just enough to make people go "Ahhhh". It's not doing a better job than the Sony in most scenarios - over saturating the colours and over sharpening edges doesn't change this fact.
If you want a camera that makes you go "ahhh", get an S8. But if you want one that actually takes a better picture in most cases, and can be made to make you go "Ahhhh" with one toggle on Windows, then you're better off with the Sony. But I want the choice: I want the more detailed, more accurate picture that I have the choice to saturate or leave alone if I'm capturing a precious memory. Removing that choice from me does not make the Samsung better, it makes it worse.
AnonD-523334, 24 May 2017U11 wins, by a hair. BTW, I'm getting U11. firstly was unimpressed, but now I'm liking it. ... moreAgree. Difference is a hair. Images are great. Overall the U11 wins for me as overall package and you can use headphones via adaptor including for USB where legendary sound will be rich.
ithehappy, 24 May 2017He's not smoking anything, give the man, and other Sony users some space. They have lost their... moreUsing that tool only damages your arguement. Hit the slider to 12mp to even up the FOV and take a look at the Tenner on the colour chart: both the pixel AND the S8 get the details either muddy (Pixel) or just plain wrong (S8).
On the ISO chart the S8 repeatedly has halos around many of the details due to over-eager sharpening, where the XZP does not. It goes on and on. For ever issue the S8 wins on those charts, the XZP wins 3 or 4.
The Pixel is doing a better job than the S8 on those charts, I'll give you that.
I think the review title should have been "Duel Pixel"... Get it?! :P
But seriously, two awesome snappers on both these phones (atleast for images....video-wise S8 looks slightly ahead). Maybe a Pixel should have been thrown in too as a reference.
But I feel when the differences are so minute, the photos from both the phones must be taken at the exact same moment using the same stand, so that any shaking, movement & lighting are exactly the same for both. In this review, that was not the case judging by the photos.
AnonD-442781, 24 May 2017Nobody carries a tripod with them, and it isn't like the s8 did badly with a tripod, it just d... moreYeah I get that nobody carries a tripod everywhere, but it's still a thing we take thing about.
G6 and S8 won't be able to crush the XZP in handheld low light if it wasn't for the lack of OIS.
Don't worry, Sony's getting there soon. Generation by generation, Sony's been solving all problems on their cameras. Compare the XZP's camera to the Z5 series, and you'll understand what I'm pointing out.
AnonD-186803, 24 May 2017Um,... no. They did that (take a look at the article yourself) and the S8 actually came last ... moreAnd there is absolutely nothing wrong even with handheld pictures. They are great on their own too.
AnonD-77443, 24 May 2017I'll have what he is smoking... clearly you didn't see the terrible blind test (as far as the ... moreAnd clearly you didn't read the 3 way overall head to head they published the day afterwards that showed the XZP doing a better job in all scenarios apart from handheld night.
The blind shootout didn't take any account of the lens and focal lengths of the three, only leaving a tiny pixel peep to judge on. When you take the full images and compare, and account for the wildly different FOV of each phone, the Xperia very clearly comes out on top in daylight, video and stabilised night time.
The blind test put the Sony at an automatic disadvantage by the parametres used. When you look at the full images the Sony wins. The only place that Sony fell behind (and a long way, I'm not denying that) is handheld night. But GSMA themselves demonstrated that stabilising the thing and changing a couple of settings pulled it equal. Go read the article yourself.
[deleted post]Nobody carries a tripod with them, and it isn't like the s8 did badly with a tripod, it just did worse. The noise on the XZP even with good light conditions is actually bad, like the sort of thing you'd expect in 2012. The XZP isn't really up to snuff and shouldn't be compared with the U11 or the S8 for camera performance.
AnonD-77443, 24 May 2017I'll have what he is smoking... clearly you didn't see the terrible blind test (as far as the ... moreHe's not smoking anything, give the man, and other Sony users some space. They have lost their way, after the terribly poor show from the XZP. It's disappointing to a level where you actually feel pity for it. Ah same old Sony.
In any case, just keep your poor Sony discussions in Sony section, cause this is about U11 and S8 only, where no one bothers about any sub standard phone, if attention is badly needed then go to something like a OnePlus 3 section, where XZP will be matched for a much wiser comparison to its own level.
AnonD-77443, 24 May 2017I'll have what he is smoking... clearly you didn't see the terrible blind test (as far as the ... moredon't fool yourself.That blind test was absolute jock.cropped and changed the size of images.gsmarena could make thumbnail to showing full size images.
If you telling me that overexposed images of HTC are better... well you have issues...
Beside nice reproduction of flat places(eg, look at sky, galaxy have lots of noise there) HTC is a bit worst than S8, mostly because exposure issues and weird contrast
AnonD-661543, 24 May 2017In low light and night xzp is much better than S8 and U11. plus xzp has better vedio record q... moreI'll have what he is smoking... clearly you didn't see the terrible blind test (as far as the XZP goes anyway).... S8 first, G6 second then the XZP a llloooonnnnnggg way back.
Anonymous, 24 May 2017Not having OIS is not an excuse. Sony thought it was wise to remove it so the fanboys will jus... moreUm,... no. They did that (take a look at the article yourself) and the S8 actually came last by quite a margin, well behind the XZP and the G6. Tripod stabilising an S8 seems to actually make it worse. How, I don't know. But the evidence is right there in the article.
LG superfan, 24 May 2017Look at xzp tropid sample they are beautiful better than s8, but handheld is sh*t because xzp ... moreNot having OIS is not an excuse. Sony thought it was wise to remove it so the fanboys will just have to suck it up. What if we mount the S8 on a tripod hey??? Shots from a tripod mounted S8 will easily beat a tripod mounted XZP (again), haha.
ithehappy, 24 May 2017Agreed, in producing the worst images possibly could come out from a mobile phone in 2017, in ... moreNot that you're correct (clearly you aren't, as we've discussed many times before) but why the hell do you care? You own a Pixel, right? Enjoy your own damn phone.
AnonD-523334, 24 May 2017XZ Premium cant even beat original XZ. Lol. the new sensor is crap. though specs more suitable... moreBy whom? Take at a look at GSM Arena's own head to head: the Xperia clearly wins daytime shots (the S8 obliterates correct fine detail, over exposes and over saturates, creating a plastic approximation of the scene but nothing close to realistic). It also has the better video and stabilised lowlight.
Hop onto the charts that GSMA uploaded and flick the bar to 12mp to level the playing field for all three and then look at the Tenner on the colour graph. The S8 completely screws it up and the XZP recreates the finest detail perfectly. There are half a dozen places on the chart where this is true. The colours are also wrong on the Samsung.
The XZP is very clearly the better cameraphone in decent light. And if this is the best the U11 can manage then it will remain so.