Iskander, 18 Nov 2017For you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point... more"it's not a bad screen"
As per displaymate, it's the best screen ever made in any medium. That's as far from being a bad screen as it is possible.
"...are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better"
Movies and series already do (plenty of dark content). Apps would happen overnight, that's iOS we're talking about, for all its ills for being ruled with an iron fist from Apple it also has upsides (fast transition -from apps- to new tech). It will happen overnight comparatively speaking.
"Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case."
Not really, only those that do. Sorry by showing the same white background for 9-10 hours is an unrealistic use case, as is constantly watching movies.
I show a *stress test* which stresses all the phone's components not just the screen. Surely you can see that even if the screen was less efficient than the competition iPhone X could well catch up by being efficient in everything else (as it well does). Showing again and again that iPhone X loses on pure screen tests tells me nothing. It has 2700 Mah, even if its screen was crazy efficient it would still lose, they *have to* have more than an efficient screen up to their sleeve and most possibly they do as general stress tests show
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017Why you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone w... moreWhat nonsense is this ? You cannot use your phone in your pocket. It's an extra move that nobody needs or wants to do, I guess it comes with the territory (active biometrics look increasingly ancient at this point).
Face recognition lasts as long as the swipe move, you don't do any extra move:
SwaggyP, 18 Nov 2017As per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. T... moreFor you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case. Everything goes to stick to your point.
I also found displaymate to find better charasteristics in some fields prior to the iPhone X that seem not to matter at all. As said, it's not a bad screen. If you want/need close to sRGB output, it is one of the best choices.
And maybe, just maybe in the future all apps, websites, movies and series are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better, but that's not very helpful for the here and now.
SwaggyP, 18 Nov 2017Why would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music an... moreWhy you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone with fingerprint scanner already gets unlocked while removing it from the pocket, the face-id still needs to be engaged, thus the fingerprint scanner is quicker in unlocking the phone.
But I guess you purposely do not want to see the point.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017You made a claim and it does not stand. And now it's me that does not get the point? Browserte... moreAs per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. That's pretty significant as Apple used to trail on that.
Oleds have excellent endurance on average use. It's not bright colours, it's white and white hues that cause the issue. Bright red, bright blue, bright green are all more efficient on oleds and as Apple goes full OLED expect more and more apps to be oled-optimized
Lastly I gave you a *video* with iPhone X outperforming the rest. What more do you need? What I say stands because the experiments say that it stands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtiia37kdc
As for black-letters-on-white-screen "wifi test", obviously the oled panel underperforms there. Good thing that nobody uses the phone like that. It's possible to find uses that can make any particular phone's battery kneel and unless you specificially targeting such uses, you're going to get better battery on iPhone than more 2017 flagships... period (pretty much what the video I re-posted shows).
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2017I totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue no... moreBut isn't that the thing? I have not seen anybody claim that everybody or almost everybody wants to use SD memory in their phone.
What I did see, is people claim nobody is using SD-cards, nobody needs SD-cards and nobody wants SD-cards.
I also saw claimes that basically state that people with Iphones do not want SD-memory as an option, because they are buying iPhones and they don't have such option.
A poll under iPhones users with the question if they would like to have an SD-card slot so they can store their music, video's and photo's on would be interesting though, just to give an indication how many people with iOS would actually consider it. Claiming they don't want it, based on them buying iPhones however, won't cut it.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017But you still can't unlock your phone in your pocket with face-ID, or do you think the technol... moreWhy would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music and such even when locked anyway (volume buttons)...
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017There are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar ... moreI totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue now was it.. Even if it was double that it's still not the majority.. Htc, Google and many other top phone manufacturers offer flagship devices without Sd card slots.. But Yes I totally get what your saying, freedom.. do people not have the freedom to buy whatever brand they wish?
In the end its business, buy it or don't. Regardless that wasn't the point
How can anybody critically observe, in this case the iphone-x.. When they clearly have a dislike for Apple and or their devices in the first place?
Anonymous, 17 Nov 2017Hilarious buddy keep digging that hole...yeah you say it doesn't but your length of reply clea... moreThere are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar or 20 Euro (which includes ~20% VAT) and 128GB cards for 40 Euro (again with ~20% VAT) either online from normal web shops in Europe or normal stores in case you dare not order your stuff online.
But from your response, it seems you have exact figures on total mobile devices with SD-slot vs SD-cards being sold?
You know, it does not even matter, since it seems incomprehensible for you that people need/want SD-cards in their phones for whichever reason they have. It seems incomprehensible to you that having an SD-slot is about freedom, not about need of using it. No, not everybody with a phone with SD-slot is using that slot, but even if it were 10-20% of 1.5 billion phones, we're still talking about 150 to 300 million people that would happily use an SD-card in their phone. That's about the same amount as iPhones being sold on a years basis. (forecast of ~224 million iPhones sold in 2017, first 3 quarters totaled roughly 130 million, so they really need a strong 4th quarter there so live up to that.)
SwaggyP, 17 Nov 2017"You still haven't told me how is face id faster than fps." Machine learning. In short when... moreBut you still can't unlock your phone in your pocket with face-ID, or do you think the technology will get there too some day?
SwaggyP, 17 Nov 2017Again, you didn't answer my concern.
Even if OLEDs are less power efficient that LCDs it pl... moreYou made a claim and it does not stand. And now it's me that does not get the point? Browsertests all over the place show that using the device for things many people do that it isn't the second coming either.
You claim that the screen is it's great innovation, it's great progress, but it only does better in very specific use cases, but overall it does not do any better, if not worse than the bigger LCD screen with smaller battery capacity.
True, people won't care, they will be happy with their iPhone X. It will last them more or less the day, pending one usage, just like most of the other iPhones. But that never was the discussion here. Your one video stands against many other numbers out there. As said before, if you watch only very dark movies, your Oled screen will outperform the Led screen. But how many movies are mostly dark?
On your 'concern'. You claim the iPhone X has the best screen-on-time of all iPhones. If the Oled display is less efficient than the Led display in say the iPhone 8+, then that claim can't stand. Why? Because the innards are pretty much the same, so the only difference is the screen technology and the surface area of the screen. Led generally is more power efficient in more bright video/app background/browsing sites, Oled generally is more power efficient in dark video/app background/browsing sites. The color of it does not matter, it's just if it's bright hues or dark hues.
Fact is that many things we do on phones have reasonably bright hues, because it makes things more easy to see/read. It's not helping the iPhone X's Oled screen.
To finish this off, I never said that the Oled panel in the iPhone X is bad in any way, I did not say it's crap. I just stated it isn't it's greatest feat and that is because while it has benefits on the one hand, it has deficits on the other. It's just a very good screen, something you should expect for the price range. It just isn't anything special and if they would have used a Led panel with two separate second displays for the horns (just like LG used 1 with the V10/V20 and X Screen), it would not have been worse, just different.
Iskander, 14 Nov 2017The video loop test does one thing perfect. Show how long a screen can be powered by the devic... moreAgain, you didn't answer my concern.
Even if OLEDs are less power efficient that LCDs it plays a secondary role, clearly.
I gave a test (someway back) showing that *exact thing*. It's possible that if you watch movies on iphone X that the battery would last less, but most people don't , so it's a bad metric (on in itself).
If however you actually *use* your phone in the meanwhile (not just have the screen on) it clearly wins. Again, take a look at mrwhoseboss's video. It's *there* the results is/are *there* staring you in the eye, all you have to aknowledge it and not look the other way or look at partial tests that show nothing anyone would ever use in real life.
I doubt people would care about iphone X's battery. It's 50% more than the model it replaces (iPhone 7). As far as it has similar *total* power needs (whatdayaknow, screen needs are/is not the only thing that matters battery wise), you're going to get *significantly* better battery, basic math... In fact people would be happy by it, as they are from preliminaries reviews.
Only GSMArena found such a low battery, it makes no sense really...
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2017Is camera hump a technical dominance? They can squeeze bigger battery there.
I didn't know fi... more"You still haven't told me how is face id faster than fps."
Machine learning. In short when the machine learns your face it's far faster to unlock than with any form of active biometrics.
Fingerpring sensing died the *day* that a better tech that completely replaces it was released. A bit of how resistive touch screens died almost overnight after the capacitive's dominance.
Yea, makers would include it in (some) future releases, but it would work as detterence more than a feature.
I never said that Apple didn't catch up in other features. Being technically dominant doesn't mean that you don't have to catch up on some things. If anything it shows that they listen (Eventually). Name me *one* phone more technical dominant than X, in fact even one that is half as dominant . But guess what? It's *practically* better on most of its main features from the 2nd best players, that's how far left behind the rest are... It's sad mostly, epseically given how Android got its initial fame by being more dominant on hardware in a meaningful way (for example 600ppi is not *actually* better than 450ppi but it is from 300 ppi)
iPhone X just killing it. Latest is they sold out in minutes, in South Korea. SamsungÂ’s own turf.
Totalbiscuit, 17 Nov 2017Lol.... you are now humiliating yourself, you clearly have bias for apple, you mean people can... moreApologies, I hear you and I misunderstood what you said hear I was thinking you were misconstruing things again
But are we not in the iphone-x thread? And not in the iPhone 7 review?and or Apple as whole?
Totalbiscuit, 17 Nov 2017So based on all arguments so far, if some one has valid point and you can't prove it other wis... moreNo one is forcing anyyyyybody to buy apple.. Yet it still sells out in the millions, and thank youuuuu, your proof.. Apple hater... IPhone x Base 64.. Plenty for me, I guess millions others too
But that doesn't matter to you now does it, that is my poinnttttttt...
Your mad,, and if you weren't we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place now would we
Totalbiscuit, 17 Nov 2017Lol.... you are now humiliating yourself, you clearly have bias for apple, you mean people can... moreHilarious buddy keep digging that hole...yeah you say it doesn't but your length of reply clearly says otherwise..
Can I use the word arguably?? Because your arguably the equivalent of talking to a brick wall.
One sentence and it sets you off.
But it isn't about winning and or loosing pops. Clear as day, do the math totally mobile devices in circulation versus total amount of Sd card slots bought specifically for mobile devices.. Yeah and I'm bias lol but that wasn't ever the arguement now was it?? Construing things again no less? :)
I've Pegged you every single step of the way
I am annoying you I know sorry guess truth hurts especially coming from an apparent 'fanboy'.. What ever helps.. I can upload a video on to YouTube to show what phones are currently in my possession if you'd like??
And or did I ever say No one would be prepared to purchase a Sd card online?? Yes or no...thank you point proven.. Once again twisting your attempts to show your 'unbiasness' just as now basing your argument on my knowledge of Sd card retail prices hahah.. Guess what, there are alot more countries than you may think.. All with varied prices.. But again Amazon isn't exactly rrp either...
Beta tester? Sounds familiar.. Why don't you just cut and paste? Wait, you did:) and what even without using the device in person??? Yeah that's critical thinking for ya
Btw why wouldn't you have said 100 more and made it a realistic scenario??
You know as well as I do :) or am I giving you too much credit??.
Anonymous, 17 Nov 2017So your assuming apple would release this make believe device similarly specd for 200 less?? W... moreSo based on all arguments so far, if some one has valid point and you can't prove it other wise, those are the people who are android fanboys?? and this "Make believe device"?? was iphone 7 make believe? i thought they actually released it..... Read carefully at least, i said exact same models but with SD cards, and yeah why would they do that when they want you to pay 200$ more for same phone if you need more than 32Gig on your phone.... locking out for upgrade is best way to make those extra dollars.... You yourself are proving my point buddy, not providing SD slot is a dirty monetizing tactic by Apple, it has no other reason to not exist.... Enjoy iPhone Ex..... :)
Usamayy, 17 Nov 2017All those people who thrased Iphone are the same people who cant even afford Samsung and telli... moreWho needs SD card?? .... a lot of people..... and what's wrong with SD cards now, it's not a fashion accessory you know, it goes inside your phone, provides you cheaper storage, just in case if you didn't know what SD cards are for.... :P
And exactly same argument i hear from a lot of apple fanboys, People say Starbucks coffee is overpriced, based on your logic those might be the ones who don't have 5$.... right??