Iskander, 18 Nov 2017It seems you need two steps to get your finger on the scanner, while it pretty much goes to th... moreIt only takes "two moves" (actually one , the swapping up of the lock screen) because Apple elected it to be so. The more it becomes a standard the more we'd see better implementations (instant unlock).
You cannot not see that passive biometrics is a muuuch more capable technology. In anything you do you're spared of an extra move (placing your finger anywhere). Even if you have timed it perfectly and you can now place your finger to the right place when removing your phone from your pocket, it's still an issue when the phone is on a table (especially if the scanner is on the back of the phone) or generally in any other place.
Passive biometrics basically means that all you have to do is look at your phone which you'd do anyhow when needing to use it... in practice it needs *no* moves , it's the exact same move you do if you had no security ... it's genius actually.
Anonymous, 17 Nov 2017Hilarious buddy keep digging that hole...yeah you say it doesn't but your length of reply clea... moreOuchh, looks the truth hurt a lot than i anticipated, buddy, your in general lack of knowledge on SD card topic (adapter thing you said and the prices) and general lack of knowledge on price difference between iPhone 7's 32 and 128 Gig models(both plus and regular versions)at the launch, is proving my point itself. At least fact check before saying 100$, And that point has now gone back in circles enough times that it's not even funny anymore for me to rub it in your face how you have no basis what so ever to argue in a discussion regarding lack of SD cards, so keep living in an imaginary a world where people wanna pay more for same device when given SD card option to expand storage....
Also i don't need any other proof of what device you use, you are laboring a point which you have no rational thing to contribute to and proving your bias even further.....
And copy/paste? I already said, GSMA has said in very brief manner what i feel in general about this device, so if i use same sentence that's not valid ?? i say it again, people who buy iPhone X are beta testers for Apple and what's more hilarious is they are paying Apple at least 1000$(before tax) for that.
So relax and enjoy iPhone Ex, no need to argue the point you lost and humiliate yourself further.... Here's something more your speed, Apple's best, iPhone X is best, and haters gonna hate hate hate.... :P :P this would resonate more with you, though it would cheer you up.... :P enjoy being a 'Notch' ahead than other flagship phones.... :) Signing off....
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017iPhone X kills 8+ battery life when stress testing them both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... moreThe iPhone X screen is almost the same size as the screen of the iPhone 8+, as I have already calculated for you before. But that is before you have to remove parts of the surface area that are not present, like the notch and the rounded corners. It takes a decent bite out of the total surface area.
And, as you also mentioned yourself, you only have a ~5" diagonal for the 16:9 ratio, which is important for watching movies/series.
They noticed a clear lead in battery life for the iPhone 8+ over the iPhone X in actual daily use. Now, since they still have the same innards, your initial claim of the iPhone X having the best screen on time of any iPhone, seems again defeated.
One could claim that they did not an actual test, but it was always about actual usage of the phone that was claimed to be important, not some benchmark.
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017You don't need to swap really. That is how Apple has done it presently. The tech *is* passive ... moreIt seems you need two steps to get your finger on the scanner, while it pretty much goes to the correct spot all while pulling the phone out of the pocket. They are not separate steps, they are one smooth action. I don't need to search for the fingerprint scanner before I can pull the phone out of the pocket. Maybe that's hard to belief, but that's how it works with a properly places fingerprint scanner.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017When looking around, i'm not comparing the iPhone X with random other phone, but with the iPho... moreiPhone X kills 8+ battery life when stress testing them both
Screen size is the same in square inches, btw:
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017The discussion was about the speed with which you can unlock your phone so can use it. Not abo... moreYou don't need to swap really. That is how Apple has done it presently. The tech *is* passive biometrics.
As for the time , it's exactly the same. You put you hand in your pocket, then you place your finger and *then* you take it out. Instead taking out (w/t caring about placing your finger) + swiping up all in one motion is about the same time (you don't need to have the camera closer than were you normally hold you phone, part of the reason why face ID is such a big deal)
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017"it's not a bad screen"
As per displaymate, it's the best screen ever made in any medium. T... moreWhen looking around, i'm not comparing the iPhone X with random other phone, but with the iPhone 8+, which has the same innards, just a slightly smaller battery and a slightly bigger screen of a different technology.
I guess that nobody with an iPhone would browse on it or use apps with light hues, less alone watch movies and series that do not only use black scenes.
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017What nonsense is this ? You cannot use your phone in your pocket. It's an extra move that nobo... moreThe discussion was about the speed with which you can unlock your phone so can use it. Not about using thr phone inside the pocket. Unlocking the phone while removing it from your pocket is faster than removing it from your pocket and bringing it close enough to your face to unlock it. It's that simple really.
Btw, if you need to swipe to activate face-ID, it isn't really motionless biometrical unlocking either.
The hilarious thing about all this is how continually returning non iPhone users state others plain biasness..
Now if that isn't pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is??
And what made them feel the need to leave their 'personal' experiences or opinions in the first place? And what compelled them to return over and over again.. You want this argument, that is obvious
Now if we were in a different thread that could be different, but I don't see these 'unbiased' opinions in any other thread.. Arguing why the pixels main flagship or the note 8 is so expensive or in the s8 thread with their botched attempt at face id and or the need for it.. Or why doesn't the pixel xl have a Sd card slot or a 3.5 jack for that matter? Or the serious lack of qc in regards to the screen..
You want this, if you didn't we wouldn't be having these discussions in the first place, that's the truth.
When I'm gone, you guys will still be here.. Leaving your 'unbiased and critical observations'
So my question stands, yet still not answered.. How can anyone possibly observe anything critically when they are plainly bias in the first place?...
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017Why you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone w... moreIt's hardly a strong argument although I get what your saying but do most people not look at their phones while in use?
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017But isn't that the thing? I have not seen anybody claim that everybody or almost everybody wan... moreNo nor have I seen the claim that either, as far as other claims they most certainly were not from me.
And for claims that Iphone users do not need a Sd card? Again most certainly not from me
Yes it would be an interesting pole but one no one can answer
So All I can say is looking at sales figures and it's continuing sales figures and where I am it's 4-6 week waiting list, myself and the other millions of people paying for the iphone-x are not concerned, would this not be a comfortable assumption to make?
That is all I have because that is fact, how possibly does that not cut it?
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017For you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point... more"it's not a bad screen"
As per displaymate, it's the best screen ever made in any medium. That's as far from being a bad screen as it is possible.
"...are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better"
Movies and series already do (plenty of dark content). Apps would happen overnight, that's iOS we're talking about, for all its ills for being ruled with an iron fist from Apple it also has upsides (fast transition -from apps- to new tech). It will happen overnight comparatively speaking.
"Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case."
Not really, only those that do. Sorry by showing the same white background for 9-10 hours is an unrealistic use case, as is constantly watching movies.
I show a *stress test* which stresses all the phone's components not just the screen. Surely you can see that even if the screen was less efficient than the competition iPhone X could well catch up by being efficient in everything else (as it well does). Showing again and again that iPhone X loses on pure screen tests tells me nothing. It has 2700 Mah, even if its screen was crazy efficient it would still lose, they *have to* have more than an efficient screen up to their sleeve and most possibly they do as general stress tests show
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017Why you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone w... moreWhat nonsense is this ? You cannot use your phone in your pocket. It's an extra move that nobody needs or wants to do, I guess it comes with the territory (active biometrics look increasingly ancient at this point).
Face recognition lasts as long as the swipe move, you don't do any extra move:
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017As per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. T... moreFor you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case. Everything goes to stick to your point.
I also found displaymate to find better charasteristics in some fields prior to the iPhone X that seem not to matter at all. As said, it's not a bad screen. If you want/need close to sRGB output, it is one of the best choices.
And maybe, just maybe in the future all apps, websites, movies and series are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better, but that's not very helpful for the here and now.
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017Why would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music an... moreWhy you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone with fingerprint scanner already gets unlocked while removing it from the pocket, the face-id still needs to be engaged, thus the fingerprint scanner is quicker in unlocking the phone.
But I guess you purposely do not want to see the point.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017You made a claim and it does not stand. And now it's me that does not get the point? Browserte... moreAs per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. That's pretty significant as Apple used to trail on that.
Oleds have excellent endurance on average use. It's not bright colours, it's white and white hues that cause the issue. Bright red, bright blue, bright green are all more efficient on oleds and as Apple goes full OLED expect more and more apps to be oled-optimized
Lastly I gave you a *video* with iPhone X outperforming the rest. What more do you need? What I say stands because the experiments say that it stands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtiia37kdc
As for black-letters-on-white-screen "wifi test", obviously the oled panel underperforms there. Good thing that nobody uses the phone like that. It's possible to find uses that can make any particular phone's battery kneel and unless you specificially targeting such uses, you're going to get better battery on iPhone than more 2017 flagships... period (pretty much what the video I re-posted shows).
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2017I totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue no... moreBut isn't that the thing? I have not seen anybody claim that everybody or almost everybody wants to use SD memory in their phone.
What I did see, is people claim nobody is using SD-cards, nobody needs SD-cards and nobody wants SD-cards.
I also saw claimes that basically state that people with Iphones do not want SD-memory as an option, because they are buying iPhones and they don't have such option.
A poll under iPhones users with the question if they would like to have an SD-card slot so they can store their music, video's and photo's on would be interesting though, just to give an indication how many people with iOS would actually consider it. Claiming they don't want it, based on them buying iPhones however, won't cut it.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017But you still can't unlock your phone in your pocket with face-ID, or do you think the technol... moreWhy would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music and such even when locked anyway (volume buttons)...
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017There are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar ... moreI totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue now was it.. Even if it was double that it's still not the majority.. Htc, Google and many other top phone manufacturers offer flagship devices without Sd card slots.. But Yes I totally get what your saying, freedom.. do people not have the freedom to buy whatever brand they wish?
In the end its business, buy it or don't. Regardless that wasn't the point
How can anybody critically observe, in this case the iphone-x.. When they clearly have a dislike for Apple and or their devices in the first place?
Anonymous, 17 Nov 2017Hilarious buddy keep digging that hole...yeah you say it doesn't but your length of reply clea... moreThere are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar or 20 Euro (which includes ~20% VAT) and 128GB cards for 40 Euro (again with ~20% VAT) either online from normal web shops in Europe or normal stores in case you dare not order your stuff online.
But from your response, it seems you have exact figures on total mobile devices with SD-slot vs SD-cards being sold?
You know, it does not even matter, since it seems incomprehensible for you that people need/want SD-cards in their phones for whichever reason they have. It seems incomprehensible to you that having an SD-slot is about freedom, not about need of using it. No, not everybody with a phone with SD-slot is using that slot, but even if it were 10-20% of 1.5 billion phones, we're still talking about 150 to 300 million people that would happily use an SD-card in their phone. That's about the same amount as iPhones being sold on a years basis. (forecast of ~224 million iPhones sold in 2017, first 3 quarters totaled roughly 130 million, so they really need a strong 4th quarter there so live up to that.)