Totalbiscuit, 14 Nov 2017I very well know avg consumer doesn't make decisions based on a thread, but to say avg consume... moreA fanboy currently using the Huawei p10 and the Google pixel before that .. Haha yeah ok label me as you will.. What ever makes you feel better bud lol
How's it go? People that resort to name calling have undoubtedly lost the argument
I just find it odd people go to the efforts of such that actually have no intention of purchasing the product
So u must be mad about something Mr clearly bias
Yeah I see you clear as day buddy
I'm done lol
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2017 Your right I don't get your point.. Don't buy apple. And i said if you don't have anything better to say to people who don't agree with your point of view, don't read opinion threads, problem solved, you know, just like you say, don't like apple don't buy apple, .... I am not buying apple products either, this is just opinion thread, nobody is buying anything here.
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2017Haha u think I'm a fan boy, couldn't be more wrong.. You've got no arguement that's clear.. Th... moreI very well know avg consumer doesn't make decisions based on a thread, but to say avg consumer can't be bothered is same thing as indication they don't need SD card, and you clearly don't see things the way they are, hence i repeat you are a fanboy, only fanboys can justify unfair monetizing practices like Apple is doing. So have fun with apple products.... enjoy!!
SwaggyP, 14 Nov 2017I was talking about technical dominance, which at this juncture, Apple has it, not about prest... moreIs camera hump a technical dominance? They can squeeze bigger battery there.
I didn't know fingerprint scanners were gone in first place... On contrary since they are older they'll evolve now. You still haven't told me how is face id faster than fps. It'll be great if you stay to the topic
I'll place bet on other side. Their global market share goes below 10% by 2020. Else they'll need to make 399-499$ phones to be sustainable. This case with OLED and wireless charging I believe they played catch-up not the other side...
SwaggyP, 14 Nov 2017Videolooping is not a realistic test as neither the CPU nor the modems enter the equation. Vid... moreThe video loop test does one thing perfect. Show how long a screen can be powered by the device, while playing video. It's your goto test if you want to know how efficient your display is. And with the iPhone 8+ and iPhone X being so similar, except for screen, they give you a very good picture.
Displaymate can say all they want, but the test shows from Gsmarena tells a completely different tale. So the excuse must be the video 'must have' many light scenes. Going by many other endurance tests, this likely isn't the case and even if it would, it shows that Oled after all isn't that much more power efficient. It's at best more power efficient on specific cases.
Simpel fact is, that pure screen on time of the iPhone X is sub par, both in video playback and browsing.
Not making perfect use of all the space on a display is not something horrific. If apps would break, that would be a legit reason to complain about, but not using the extra space? There already are plenty of apps that have plenty of unused space to begin with.
For the rest, the arguments more and more are in the line of if's, but's, maybe's. As I have been saying before in other threads, people will be let down by the final battery life test of the iPhone X, expecting way too much from Oled. Oled is more power efficient in some situations, Led in others. In the end, if you only watch dark movies and use dark apps, you may be better off with Oled, but I fear that's not the most realistic use case there. Also, if Gsmarena really would use a video in the loop that would significantly benefit Led over Oled, it should be evident from all the other tests on other phones they did. It isn't.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017So if I can score 100/100 but score 80 with less effort which still is less than 90 is it adva... moreI was talking about technical dominance, which at this juncture, Apple has it, not about prestige items (which are of trivial importance to me).
As for fingerprint making a comeback. Never happened in the past. When a player of an industry moves forwards the rest follow. Passive biometrics is the holy grail of personal security since late 1900s (you could see it on sci-fi movies) ... now that one player finally brought it on our personal devices you think things will move backwards?
Sorry that's not how tech , nor how the economy moves. When a breakthrough technology is started to be used, it is eventually adopted by all. See what happened with capacitive screens. Sure they had issues compared to hardware keyboard, but by at-large the industry moved in unison towards it.
Apple has a checkmate on their hands. I *bet you* (right now even) all big companies are trying to follow apple in that. Apple is seriously looking to eat the remaining of their profits at this point ... their use looks positively ancient at this point...
Iskander, 13 Nov 2017To you kinekt-on-an-iPhone is not it's greatest feature? Then we disagree there, fine.
The ... moreVideolooping is not a realistic test as neither the CPU nor the modems enter the equation. Videos are accelerated these days.
Most realistic tests are the ones who use a good part of the SoC (like when messaging/browsing/gaming) *and* the modems (uploading/video-chatting) ... you know things that people *do*. There iphone X shines (as in to the link that I have given you). Also the test that I've sent does use same brightness, but even if it didn't it wouldn't matter too much, visibility is more important than total brightness, it's possible for a screen tech to be so advanced so that to not need the same amount of brightness for high visibility, so using the same brightness across all phones surely does have issues (as a method).
No, what you see on android are apps not optimized for making use of the extra space. That is to say that the controls (for example) are spaced for a 16:9 screen, making less use of the tallest screens. Android app makers should make multiple profiles for each UI to make sure that they're optimized for each ... that takes quite some time to android.
iPhone X certainly has issues there, but it is in its first month, it's called "paying the enthusiast tax" ... I don't have to talk about it because by early 2018 it would be resolved to most if not all most used apps...
As for active biometrics, again, you have to do something with your finger. Given time you'd see how much less tiring (in the long run) passive biometrics are. That's why they are the rage right now ... like I said, fingerprint sensors would look ancient before long ... a few months using passive biometrics would make you unable to return to phones that need pre-action.
"This means the AMOLED is more power hungry that the LCD"
No it does not mean that. Displaymate was clear that AMOLEDs are less power hungry in most types of content. If GSMarena elected to run scenes with plenty of white that's on GSMArena. AMOLEDs are less power hungry in practice. Most apps use comparatively dark hues. Lilly white is not very common partly for that reason (many makes elect to use AMOLEDs)
Totalbiscuit, 13 Nov 2017Yup exactly case with me, I don't know what world that guy is living in, people do use SD slot... moreHaha u think I'm a fan boy, couldn't be more wrong.. You've got no arguement that's clear.. The only fan boy around here is you buddy, that's clear as day. Once again wrong, if you think the average consumer goes out and purchases a Sd card for file transfer you are indeed wrong, and or you really believe the average consumer sits in phone threads for that matter?? Lol no.. Stop lying to yourself.. I never said people didn't use Sd cards did I?? Lol stop twisting your argument bud
And your calling me the fanboy incapable of rational thinking haha. Keep digging that hole fanboy.. I can see things for what they are I just don't have a problem with it..
People in glass houses buddy :)
Iskander, 13 Nov 2017I'm not going to make any statements on how things are globally, but I do know that around me,... moreYup exactly case with me, I don't know what world that guy is living in, people do use SD slot and if they don't bother to use one, why sell 3-4 storage options at different price points? Would anybody want to spend extra 200$ just to get 128 GB variant if Apple give SD slot, nope, people will simply buy 32Gig version and use much affordable class 10 128Gig SD card, it retails around 40$. it's a 160$ markup for extra storage (200-40). Would average consumer rather donate that extra 160$ to apple because even if their phone has an SD slot, they can't be bothered to use but still somehow need extra storage?? Arguments like these are futile against fanboys because they have lost rational thinking capability, they defend their favourite brand to death in everything, I have seen some people defend that horrendous notch(which i think is branding attempt by Apple to make their device distinct at the expense of user experience), this is very subtle flaw to that in comparison.
I like androd samsung i get bigger screen less money and no bump less money. I paid less then iphone 5 and i got fast charging and big screen.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Also pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is com... moreYou don't see the point, you don't use SD card does not mean others won't, i have 20 Gig music collection and i don't want to pay for streaming services and let it eat my data plan, and i did say every company that does not provide SD slot sucks, so i am not sure where you get my opinion as biased. I owned nexus 4 and have experienced that pain first hand, besides if people don't need extra storage why bother selling 3-4 storage tiers?? just make one storage option phone and sell it like Nokia 1020, they had only 1 storage option, and yes they to got criticized for not having SD slot too. Selling higher storage option is an obvious attempt to monetize on storage. And yes I criticize google too, you might not even need to go in other threads, i did call them out for removing jack the same year they introduce pixel pods in this very thread. Whether wired is coming to an end is highly questionable. Majority population are still using wired headphones, go out once in a while and see for yourself, where are these futuristic people just 4-5% of population who want to waste 160$ for the same audio quality you can get on a 20$ wired headphone? (just try Soundmagic E10M, normally sell around 40$ but often discounted to 20$ on massdrop, just as an example) just because some people feel irritated by wires doesn't mean every one wants wireless. Wireless has its own hassle of charging the batteries. People like me do not want to put up with that nonsense. By removing the jack, you can't listen to music while phone or headphone is charging. Also you miss the big point, having that jack there does not stop you from using bluetooth headphones if you want to use one, removing that annoys people like me who don't want 50 watt batteries that die in 2-3 hours of bluetooth streaming(best case practical scenario) and having to charge them again. I have ordered and returned bragi dash one of the popular wireless headphones for same reason. Wireless audio still needs to work out those kinks. I am pretty sure all of the brands offer wireless headphones but wired headphones are still by and large sold by same manufacturers. Have you ever tried visiting Sennheiser website and compare how many wireless headphones they sell vs the wired headphones? I suggest you should try that.
The whole bu l l sh*t of promoting wireless is a big joke, wireless stereo headphones have been present for far too long. I have used one from moto in 2009, so 2015 is definitely not a year where Apple would have had that thing called 'moment of clarity' where they would have thought "ohh man we gotta promote wireless audio", people like you who deny even the remote possibility of things such as unusual co incidence of selling Airpods and Beats acquisition at the same time removal of headphone jack is interlinked, is the reason why Apple is successful in selling that big fat lie about future. Enjoy your Apple products, I just wanted to explain my perspective for other people's thoughts who are still open minded and can think beyond what's being told by companies like Apple. (Notice i said companies like Apple and this is Apple thread so don't get triggered if i used word Apple).
SwaggyP, 13 Nov 2017Not really *ifs*. I'm using historical data. The transition from iphone 4s to iphone 5's new a... moreSo if I can score 100/100 but score 80 with less effort which still is less than 90 is it advancement of something?
iPhone 5 transitioned to standard aspect ratio (16:9) which was there on androids since couple of years before that. TV and multimedia were shot in same format. Can't see that being a issue for iOS Devs to port since they'd have done so already for androids. Not sure about new aspect ratio though. All your active and passive speech and you still didn't answer that how can face id be faster if my phone is unlocked even before it reaches my face. Also under display scanners are a thing coming soon. Don't worry Apple will do it in 2020 or 2019 . Facial recognition has been in Windows laptops since eternity. Besides they had plenty of time to implement kinect on their own laptops. Why give fps then? Even mac pros have FPS. I buy phone as a tool not a jewellery or something to wear as prestige. I'm pretty sure that my watch costs more than any iPhone Apple has mass produced (that's under threat these days though). That's what is example of functionality and design heritage. I don't think you'll understand that since Apple is be all and end all to you people
SwaggyP, 13 Nov 2017From last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it w... moreTo you kinekt-on-an-iPhone is not it's greatest feature? Then we disagree there, fine.
The screen-on time feat however, we disagree far more. The best way to measure how long a display can hold on is by letting it run videoloops, just like Gsmarena does. Same video, over and over, with the display on the same brightness as any other and see how long it lasts.
Fact is, with it's (marginally) bigger battery and smaller surface area for the screen, it lasts 3 hours shorter than the iPhone 8+. Same goes for the browser test. Even the iPhone 8, which has a battery only 66% the capacity of the iPhone X, lasts longer in browsing and almost as long in video playback.
Just don't keep staring at that one number of the endurance rating, look further.
About the aspect ratio. Do you see any weird empty spaces on Android phones with 'weird' aspect ratio's, when running apps? Is stuff breaking down instantly? I mean, for me, 16:9 is perfectly fine, no need for the longer screens, but I'm curious if all of the play store's apps are dysfunctional on those phones.
My index finger is on the fingerprint scanner even before it is out of the pocket. It's unlocked far before it can reach my face. You tell me that's slower than lifting it to your face to unlock it? Having to authorize something with fingerprint scanner? My index finger is still at the back of the phone, it's no hassle.
The pipe dream that Oled is so much more power efficient than Led should die some day. It just isn't the case. Development of LED hasn't stopped either. Did you even read what Gsmarena has written on the display test at all? Let me copy it for you:
[i]The X scored similar scores in the 3G call and standby tests as the iPhone 8 Plus but lagged about 3 hours behind the 8 Plus in video playback and web browsing. This means the AMOLED screen is more power hungry than the LCD unit on the iPhone 8 Plus.[/i]
They use the same SoC and everything else of importance is the same as well. The display just does not last as long, unless maybe, you do everything with very dark colours to avoid the bright ones that drain Oled so much faster.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Exactly, if you want options stick with Android.. It's win win and yes the average consumer do... moreI'm not going to make any statements on how things are globally, but I do know that around me, plenty of people use an SD card to save their photo's and video's they shoot with their device to. Others use the SD card to store music and movies/series on to watch back on their device when they feel like it. Having the ability, is what is nice.
How many people actually use it that way? Don't know.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Half are ifs and buts. Do reply when it happens
Now to fps vs face unlock
My phone is unlock... moreNot really *ifs*. I'm using historical data. The transition from iphone 4s to iphone 5's new aspect ratio was a few months at most. There is a precedent.
As there is a precedent for android's fragmentation (I hate that word) and how long it takes for particular features to becore trully useful. It's not an if to expect that the full screen would be used on iphone X *very* soon, it's what history taught us.
Also obviously you have to release the new aspect ratio *first* and then software developers would follow. There's no two ways about it, that's how it'd always happen. I don't understand what people are complaing about, the same exact thing happened between iphone 4s and iphone 5 ... you hear nobody complaining (back when iphone 5 was released everybody was complaining). It's honestly a non-issue.
Fingerpring, needs to do an extra move. Even if the phone is unlocked before it's on eye level, it still required an extra move. Like I said, it would go the way of the dodo, people are reaaally impressed by face unlock already, it works like magic for most ... it's a matter of prestige as well (passive biometrics is a far more advanced technology than active biometrics).
Lastly being the first iphone to post screen-on-time similar to top android is not a small thing. Iphones could have excellent battery but elected not to so that to keep their size as slim and small as possible.
So it *is* a thing that they achieved to get so much battery (screen-on-time) in such a small package ... it does show technological advantage compared to the rest...
SwaggyP, 13 Nov 2017From last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it w... moreHalf are ifs and buts. Do reply when it happens
Now to fps vs face unlock
My phone is unlocked before its in front of me in case of fps. Don't think it can be with face id
1 video doesn't prove anything. Most of the video reviews have said battery life is great for an iPhone which was much lesser than flagship androids since long time.
As long as content is created in 16:9 apps won't be doing anything anyways
Also I don't think notch looks good for majority of apps. Leave the signal bars and other WiFi logo somewhere will you?
It doesn't help that software is unfinished right now out of the Box. I don't expect this to happen on a 1000$ device of all things
SQ.Bubbly, 13 Nov 2017Hi, All iPhone X is better OR Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Kindly advise Regards!Haha I see you trying to spark some flames...So let me fall for this one. Both a solid phones, iphone x software is still ios so if you want straightforward and simple go for apple. Samsung take on android has a lot of extra gimmicks but I imagine at least one is waiting for you, software is arguably more convoluted yet you can customize it to your liking. Note 8 is downright big, very tall and will make you an expert in hand gymnastics, Iphone x is a one handed device in comparison. I have a note 8 and loudspeaker is probably worse than the IX, as itis one measly bottom firing speaker. Lastly note 8 has headphone jack if you still care about that one
iPhone X is better OR Samsung Galaxy Note 8
Iskander, 12 Nov 2017To look at your points, the following.
Albeit not ideal, at least Xiaomi still added a USB-... moreFrom last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it will be proved so in the future.
Its main improvements is the far better screen on time, the far better raw performance, the far better image quality (finally almost life-like OLED display), the far lower screen to body ratio (finally a pocketable phablet from Apple), the top 3 camera (previous iphones were lagging behind in that department).
It's one of the biggest overhauls in the history of phones.
Now onto the aspect ratio. iPhone loses nothing from its screen estate once all main apps would support (which is *soon*). The part of the screen that is cutout was never used by iOS really (it had the time, which is now shown a bit to the right big deal).
It is basically a phone sized phablet (again once most main apps support it fully).
The 18:9 on android is attrocious because of the far slower times for android apps to make use of a new feature, especially when it is such a departure from the norm. I don't mind when Apple's doing it because they *enforce* their standards, Android not so.
Fingerpring unlock is slower (you still have to make an extra move). It looks positively ancient by comparison, it will soon be thought as an obsolete feature, by 2020 it would be in the graveyard along with all the failed features of the past (hardware keyboards, cell doors, etc).
The video I gave use the same brightness (in Nits) for all. You can see the way the phones are set up in videos that he explains at the beginning. It's not sponsored by Apple, Apple phones always end up last in those tests for months. iPhone X is simply that much better (it makes sense too, it has the same power requirement of Iphone 8 yet 50% more battery in Mah).
GSMArena mostly tests standby times (nobody uses a screen of a phone 2 hours a day). In standby tests the phone with most battery (in raw Mah) always wins. It's not a good test anymore (unless you leave your phone sleeping for 85% of the day)...
Try better next time.