Iskander, 18 Nov 2017When looking around, i'm not comparing the iPhone X with random other phone, but with the iPho... moreiPhone X kills 8+ battery life when stress testing them both
Screen size is the same in square inches, btw:
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017The discussion was about the speed with which you can unlock your phone so can use it. Not abo... moreYou don't need to swap really. That is how Apple has done it presently. The tech *is* passive biometrics.
As for the time , it's exactly the same. You put you hand in your pocket, then you place your finger and *then* you take it out. Instead taking out (w/t caring about placing your finger) + swiping up all in one motion is about the same time (you don't need to have the camera closer than were you normally hold you phone, part of the reason why face ID is such a big deal)
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017"it's not a bad screen"
As per displaymate, it's the best screen ever made in any medium. T... moreWhen looking around, i'm not comparing the iPhone X with random other phone, but with the iPhone 8+, which has the same innards, just a slightly smaller battery and a slightly bigger screen of a different technology.
I guess that nobody with an iPhone would browse on it or use apps with light hues, less alone watch movies and series that do not only use black scenes.
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017What nonsense is this ? You cannot use your phone in your pocket. It's an extra move that nobo... moreThe discussion was about the speed with which you can unlock your phone so can use it. Not about using thr phone inside the pocket. Unlocking the phone while removing it from your pocket is faster than removing it from your pocket and bringing it close enough to your face to unlock it. It's that simple really.
Btw, if you need to swipe to activate face-ID, it isn't really motionless biometrical unlocking either.
The hilarious thing about all this is how continually returning non iPhone users state others plain biasness..
Now if that isn't pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is??
And what made them feel the need to leave their 'personal' experiences or opinions in the first place? And what compelled them to return over and over again.. You want this argument, that is obvious
Now if we were in a different thread that could be different, but I don't see these 'unbiased' opinions in any other thread.. Arguing why the pixels main flagship or the note 8 is so expensive or in the s8 thread with their botched attempt at face id and or the need for it.. Or why doesn't the pixel xl have a Sd card slot or a 3.5 jack for that matter? Or the serious lack of qc in regards to the screen..
You want this, if you didn't we wouldn't be having these discussions in the first place, that's the truth.
When I'm gone, you guys will still be here.. Leaving your 'unbiased and critical observations'
So my question stands, yet still not answered.. How can anyone possibly observe anything critically when they are plainly bias in the first place?...
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017Why you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone w... moreIt's hardly a strong argument although I get what your saying but do most people not look at their phones while in use?
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017But isn't that the thing? I have not seen anybody claim that everybody or almost everybody wan... moreNo nor have I seen the claim that either, as far as other claims they most certainly were not from me.
And for claims that Iphone users do not need a Sd card? Again most certainly not from me
Yes it would be an interesting pole but one no one can answer
So All I can say is looking at sales figures and it's continuing sales figures and where I am it's 4-6 week waiting list, myself and the other millions of people paying for the iphone-x are not concerned, would this not be a comfortable assumption to make?
That is all I have because that is fact, how possibly does that not cut it?
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017For you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point... more"it's not a bad screen"
As per displaymate, it's the best screen ever made in any medium. That's as far from being a bad screen as it is possible.
"...are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better"
Movies and series already do (plenty of dark content). Apps would happen overnight, that's iOS we're talking about, for all its ills for being ruled with an iron fist from Apple it also has upsides (fast transition -from apps- to new tech). It will happen overnight comparatively speaking.
"Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case."
Not really, only those that do. Sorry by showing the same white background for 9-10 hours is an unrealistic use case, as is constantly watching movies.
I show a *stress test* which stresses all the phone's components not just the screen. Surely you can see that even if the screen was less efficient than the competition iPhone X could well catch up by being efficient in everything else (as it well does). Showing again and again that iPhone X loses on pure screen tests tells me nothing. It has 2700 Mah, even if its screen was crazy efficient it would still lose, they *have to* have more than an efficient screen up to their sleeve and most possibly they do as general stress tests show
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017Why you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone w... moreWhat nonsense is this ? You cannot use your phone in your pocket. It's an extra move that nobody needs or wants to do, I guess it comes with the territory (active biometrics look increasingly ancient at this point).
Face recognition lasts as long as the swipe move, you don't do any extra move:
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017As per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. T... moreFor you, your video is the holy grail. Any testing that gives a negative result for your point, you cast aside as an unrealistic use case. Everything goes to stick to your point.
I also found displaymate to find better charasteristics in some fields prior to the iPhone X that seem not to matter at all. As said, it's not a bad screen. If you want/need close to sRGB output, it is one of the best choices.
And maybe, just maybe in the future all apps, websites, movies and series are going to be made so that they benefit Oled better, but that's not very helpful for the here and now.
AnonD-711468, 18 Nov 2017Why would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music an... moreWhy you would unlock it in your pocket? The point is to unlock it for usage. While the phone with fingerprint scanner already gets unlocked while removing it from the pocket, the face-id still needs to be engaged, thus the fingerprint scanner is quicker in unlocking the phone.
But I guess you purposely do not want to see the point.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017You made a claim and it does not stand. And now it's me that does not get the point? Browserte... moreAs per displaymate it is something special. It's the best consumer screen in *any* category. That's pretty significant as Apple used to trail on that.
Oleds have excellent endurance on average use. It's not bright colours, it's white and white hues that cause the issue. Bright red, bright blue, bright green are all more efficient on oleds and as Apple goes full OLED expect more and more apps to be oled-optimized
Lastly I gave you a *video* with iPhone X outperforming the rest. What more do you need? What I say stands because the experiments say that it stands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtiia37kdc
As for black-letters-on-white-screen "wifi test", obviously the oled panel underperforms there. Good thing that nobody uses the phone like that. It's possible to find uses that can make any particular phone's battery kneel and unless you specificially targeting such uses, you're going to get better battery on iPhone than more 2017 flagships... period (pretty much what the video I re-posted shows).
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2017I totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue no... moreBut isn't that the thing? I have not seen anybody claim that everybody or almost everybody wants to use SD memory in their phone.
What I did see, is people claim nobody is using SD-cards, nobody needs SD-cards and nobody wants SD-cards.
I also saw claimes that basically state that people with Iphones do not want SD-memory as an option, because they are buying iPhones and they don't have such option.
A poll under iPhones users with the question if they would like to have an SD-card slot so they can store their music, video's and photo's on would be interesting though, just to give an indication how many people with iOS would actually consider it. Claiming they don't want it, based on them buying iPhones however, won't cut it.
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017But you still can't unlock your phone in your pocket with face-ID, or do you think the technol... moreWhy would you unlock a phone in your pocket? That's a non-use. You can control it for music and such even when locked anyway (volume buttons)...
Iskander, 18 Nov 2017There are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar ... moreI totally agree with you as hard as that is for you to fathom but that was never the issue now was it.. Even if it was double that it's still not the majority.. Htc, Google and many other top phone manufacturers offer flagship devices without Sd card slots.. But Yes I totally get what your saying, freedom.. do people not have the freedom to buy whatever brand they wish?
In the end its business, buy it or don't. Regardless that wasn't the point
How can anybody critically observe, in this case the iphone-x.. When they clearly have a dislike for Apple and or their devices in the first place?
Anonymous, 17 Nov 2017Hilarious buddy keep digging that hole...yeah you say it doesn't but your length of reply clea... moreThere are many countries indeed, and in plenty of them, you can find 64GB cards for 20 dollar or 20 Euro (which includes ~20% VAT) and 128GB cards for 40 Euro (again with ~20% VAT) either online from normal web shops in Europe or normal stores in case you dare not order your stuff online.
But from your response, it seems you have exact figures on total mobile devices with SD-slot vs SD-cards being sold?
You know, it does not even matter, since it seems incomprehensible for you that people need/want SD-cards in their phones for whichever reason they have. It seems incomprehensible to you that having an SD-slot is about freedom, not about need of using it. No, not everybody with a phone with SD-slot is using that slot, but even if it were 10-20% of 1.5 billion phones, we're still talking about 150 to 300 million people that would happily use an SD-card in their phone. That's about the same amount as iPhones being sold on a years basis. (forecast of ~224 million iPhones sold in 2017, first 3 quarters totaled roughly 130 million, so they really need a strong 4th quarter there so live up to that.)
AnonD-711468, 17 Nov 2017"You still haven't told me how is face id faster than fps." Machine learning. In short when... moreBut you still can't unlock your phone in your pocket with face-ID, or do you think the technology will get there too some day?
AnonD-711468, 17 Nov 2017Again, you didn't answer my concern.
Even if OLEDs are less power efficient that LCDs it pl... moreYou made a claim and it does not stand. And now it's me that does not get the point? Browsertests all over the place show that using the device for things many people do that it isn't the second coming either.
You claim that the screen is it's great innovation, it's great progress, but it only does better in very specific use cases, but overall it does not do any better, if not worse than the bigger LCD screen with smaller battery capacity.
True, people won't care, they will be happy with their iPhone X. It will last them more or less the day, pending one usage, just like most of the other iPhones. But that never was the discussion here. Your one video stands against many other numbers out there. As said before, if you watch only very dark movies, your Oled screen will outperform the Led screen. But how many movies are mostly dark?
On your 'concern'. You claim the iPhone X has the best screen-on-time of all iPhones. If the Oled display is less efficient than the Led display in say the iPhone 8+, then that claim can't stand. Why? Because the innards are pretty much the same, so the only difference is the screen technology and the surface area of the screen. Led generally is more power efficient in more bright video/app background/browsing sites, Oled generally is more power efficient in dark video/app background/browsing sites. The color of it does not matter, it's just if it's bright hues or dark hues.
Fact is that many things we do on phones have reasonably bright hues, because it makes things more easy to see/read. It's not helping the iPhone X's Oled screen.
To finish this off, I never said that the Oled panel in the iPhone X is bad in any way, I did not say it's crap. I just stated it isn't it's greatest feat and that is because while it has benefits on the one hand, it has deficits on the other. It's just a very good screen, something you should expect for the price range. It just isn't anything special and if they would have used a Led panel with two separate second displays for the horns (just like LG used 1 with the V10/V20 and X Screen), it would not have been worse, just different.
Iskander, 14 Nov 2017The video loop test does one thing perfect. Show how long a screen can be powered by the devic... moreAgain, you didn't answer my concern.
Even if OLEDs are less power efficient that LCDs it plays a secondary role, clearly.
I gave a test (someway back) showing that *exact thing*. It's possible that if you watch movies on iphone X that the battery would last less, but most people don't , so it's a bad metric (on in itself).
If however you actually *use* your phone in the meanwhile (not just have the screen on) it clearly wins. Again, take a look at mrwhoseboss's video. It's *there* the results is/are *there* staring you in the eye, all you have to aknowledge it and not look the other way or look at partial tests that show nothing anyone would ever use in real life.
I doubt people would care about iphone X's battery. It's 50% more than the model it replaces (iPhone 7). As far as it has similar *total* power needs (whatdayaknow, screen needs are/is not the only thing that matters battery wise), you're going to get *significantly* better battery, basic math... In fact people would be happy by it, as they are from preliminaries reviews.
Only GSMArena found such a low battery, it makes no sense really...
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2017Is camera hump a technical dominance? They can squeeze bigger battery there.
I didn't know fi... more"You still haven't told me how is face id faster than fps."
Machine learning. In short when the machine learns your face it's far faster to unlock than with any form of active biometrics.
Fingerpring sensing died the *day* that a better tech that completely replaces it was released. A bit of how resistive touch screens died almost overnight after the capacitive's dominance.
Yea, makers would include it in (some) future releases, but it would work as detterence more than a feature.
I never said that Apple didn't catch up in other features. Being technically dominant doesn't mean that you don't have to catch up on some things. If anything it shows that they listen (Eventually). Name me *one* phone more technical dominant than X, in fact even one that is half as dominant . But guess what? It's *practically* better on most of its main features from the 2nd best players, that's how far left behind the rest are... It's sad mostly, epseically given how Android got its initial fame by being more dominant on hardware in a meaningful way (for example 600ppi is not *actually* better than 450ppi but it is from 300 ppi)