AnonD-80334, 13 Nov 2017Yup exactly case with me, I don't know what world that guy is living in, people do use SD slot... moreHaha u think I'm a fan boy, couldn't be more wrong.. You've got no arguement that's clear.. The only fan boy around here is you buddy, that's clear as day. Once again wrong, if you think the average consumer goes out and purchases a Sd card for file transfer you are indeed wrong, and or you really believe the average consumer sits in phone threads for that matter?? Lol no.. Stop lying to yourself.. I never said people didn't use Sd cards did I?? Lol stop twisting your argument bud
And your calling me the fanboy incapable of rational thinking haha. Keep digging that hole fanboy.. I can see things for what they are I just don't have a problem with it..
People in glass houses buddy :)
Iskander, 13 Nov 2017I'm not going to make any statements on how things are globally, but I do know that around me,... moreYup exactly case with me, I don't know what world that guy is living in, people do use SD slot and if they don't bother to use one, why sell 3-4 storage options at different price points? Would anybody want to spend extra 200$ just to get 128 GB variant if Apple give SD slot, nope, people will simply buy 32Gig version and use much affordable class 10 128Gig SD card, it retails around 40$. it's a 160$ markup for extra storage (200-40). Would average consumer rather donate that extra 160$ to apple because even if their phone has an SD slot, they can't be bothered to use but still somehow need extra storage?? Arguments like these are futile against fanboys because they have lost rational thinking capability, they defend their favourite brand to death in everything, I have seen some people defend that horrendous notch(which i think is branding attempt by Apple to make their device distinct at the expense of user experience), this is very subtle flaw to that in comparison.
I like androd samsung i get bigger screen less money and no bump less money. I paid less then iphone 5 and i got fast charging and big screen.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Also pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is com... moreYou don't see the point, you don't use SD card does not mean others won't, i have 20 Gig music collection and i don't want to pay for streaming services and let it eat my data plan, and i did say every company that does not provide SD slot sucks, so i am not sure where you get my opinion as biased. I owned nexus 4 and have experienced that pain first hand, besides if people don't need extra storage why bother selling 3-4 storage tiers?? just make one storage option phone and sell it like Nokia 1020, they had only 1 storage option, and yes they to got criticized for not having SD slot too. Selling higher storage option is an obvious attempt to monetize on storage. And yes I criticize google too, you might not even need to go in other threads, i did call them out for removing jack the same year they introduce pixel pods in this very thread. Whether wired is coming to an end is highly questionable. Majority population are still using wired headphones, go out once in a while and see for yourself, where are these futuristic people just 4-5% of population who want to waste 160$ for the same audio quality you can get on a 20$ wired headphone? (just try Soundmagic E10M, normally sell around 40$ but often discounted to 20$ on massdrop, just as an example) just because some people feel irritated by wires doesn't mean every one wants wireless. Wireless has its own hassle of charging the batteries. People like me do not want to put up with that nonsense. By removing the jack, you can't listen to music while phone or headphone is charging. Also you miss the big point, having that jack there does not stop you from using bluetooth headphones if you want to use one, removing that annoys people like me who don't want 50 watt batteries that die in 2-3 hours of bluetooth streaming(best case practical scenario) and having to charge them again. I have ordered and returned bragi dash one of the popular wireless headphones for same reason. Wireless audio still needs to work out those kinks. I am pretty sure all of the brands offer wireless headphones but wired headphones are still by and large sold by same manufacturers. Have you ever tried visiting Sennheiser website and compare how many wireless headphones they sell vs the wired headphones? I suggest you should try that.
The whole bu l l sh*t of promoting wireless is a big joke, wireless stereo headphones have been present for far too long. I have used one from moto in 2009, so 2015 is definitely not a year where Apple would have had that thing called 'moment of clarity' where they would have thought "ohh man we gotta promote wireless audio", people like you who deny even the remote possibility of things such as unusual co incidence of selling Airpods and Beats acquisition at the same time removal of headphone jack is interlinked, is the reason why Apple is successful in selling that big fat lie about future. Enjoy your Apple products, I just wanted to explain my perspective for other people's thoughts who are still open minded and can think beyond what's being told by companies like Apple. (Notice i said companies like Apple and this is Apple thread so don't get triggered if i used word Apple).
AnonD-711468, 13 Nov 2017Not really *ifs*. I'm using historical data. The transition from iphone 4s to iphone 5's new a... moreSo if I can score 100/100 but score 80 with less effort which still is less than 90 is it advancement of something?
iPhone 5 transitioned to standard aspect ratio (16:9) which was there on androids since couple of years before that. TV and multimedia were shot in same format. Can't see that being a issue for iOS Devs to port since they'd have done so already for androids. Not sure about new aspect ratio though. All your active and passive speech and you still didn't answer that how can face id be faster if my phone is unlocked even before it reaches my face. Also under display scanners are a thing coming soon. Don't worry Apple will do it in 2020 or 2019 . Facial recognition has been in Windows laptops since eternity. Besides they had plenty of time to implement kinect on their own laptops. Why give fps then? Even mac pros have FPS. I buy phone as a tool not a jewellery or something to wear as prestige. I'm pretty sure that my watch costs more than any iPhone Apple has mass produced (that's under threat these days though). That's what is example of functionality and design heritage. I don't think you'll understand that since Apple is be all and end all to you people
AnonD-711468, 13 Nov 2017From last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it w... moreTo you kinekt-on-an-iPhone is not it's greatest feature? Then we disagree there, fine.
The screen-on time feat however, we disagree far more. The best way to measure how long a display can hold on is by letting it run videoloops, just like Gsmarena does. Same video, over and over, with the display on the same brightness as any other and see how long it lasts.
Fact is, with it's (marginally) bigger battery and smaller surface area for the screen, it lasts 3 hours shorter than the iPhone 8+. Same goes for the browser test. Even the iPhone 8, which has a battery only 66% the capacity of the iPhone X, lasts longer in browsing and almost as long in video playback.
Just don't keep staring at that one number of the endurance rating, look further.
About the aspect ratio. Do you see any weird empty spaces on Android phones with 'weird' aspect ratio's, when running apps? Is stuff breaking down instantly? I mean, for me, 16:9 is perfectly fine, no need for the longer screens, but I'm curious if all of the play store's apps are dysfunctional on those phones.
My index finger is on the fingerprint scanner even before it is out of the pocket. It's unlocked far before it can reach my face. You tell me that's slower than lifting it to your face to unlock it? Having to authorize something with fingerprint scanner? My index finger is still at the back of the phone, it's no hassle.
The pipe dream that Oled is so much more power efficient than Led should die some day. It just isn't the case. Development of LED hasn't stopped either. Did you even read what Gsmarena has written on the display test at all? Let me copy it for you:
[i]The X scored similar scores in the 3G call and standby tests as the iPhone 8 Plus but lagged about 3 hours behind the 8 Plus in video playback and web browsing. This means the AMOLED screen is more power hungry than the LCD unit on the iPhone 8 Plus.[/i]
They use the same SoC and everything else of importance is the same as well. The display just does not last as long, unless maybe, you do everything with very dark colours to avoid the bright ones that drain Oled so much faster.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Exactly, if you want options stick with Android.. It's win win and yes the average consumer do... moreI'm not going to make any statements on how things are globally, but I do know that around me, plenty of people use an SD card to save their photo's and video's they shoot with their device to. Others use the SD card to store music and movies/series on to watch back on their device when they feel like it. Having the ability, is what is nice.
How many people actually use it that way? Don't know.
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Half are ifs and buts. Do reply when it happens
Now to fps vs face unlock
My phone is unlock... moreNot really *ifs*. I'm using historical data. The transition from iphone 4s to iphone 5's new aspect ratio was a few months at most. There is a precedent.
As there is a precedent for android's fragmentation (I hate that word) and how long it takes for particular features to becore trully useful. It's not an if to expect that the full screen would be used on iphone X *very* soon, it's what history taught us.
Also obviously you have to release the new aspect ratio *first* and then software developers would follow. There's no two ways about it, that's how it'd always happen. I don't understand what people are complaing about, the same exact thing happened between iphone 4s and iphone 5 ... you hear nobody complaining (back when iphone 5 was released everybody was complaining). It's honestly a non-issue.
Fingerpring, needs to do an extra move. Even if the phone is unlocked before it's on eye level, it still required an extra move. Like I said, it would go the way of the dodo, people are reaaally impressed by face unlock already, it works like magic for most ... it's a matter of prestige as well (passive biometrics is a far more advanced technology than active biometrics).
Lastly being the first iphone to post screen-on-time similar to top android is not a small thing. Iphones could have excellent battery but elected not to so that to keep their size as slim and small as possible.
So it *is* a thing that they achieved to get so much battery (screen-on-time) in such a small package ... it does show technological advantage compared to the rest...
AnonD-711468, 13 Nov 2017From last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it w... moreHalf are ifs and buts. Do reply when it happens
Now to fps vs face unlock
My phone is unlocked before its in front of me in case of fps. Don't think it can be with face id
1 video doesn't prove anything. Most of the video reviews have said battery life is great for an iPhone which was much lesser than flagship androids since long time.
As long as content is created in 16:9 apps won't be doing anything anyways
Also I don't think notch looks good for majority of apps. Leave the signal bars and other WiFi logo somewhere will you?
It doesn't help that software is unfinished right now out of the Box. I don't expect this to happen on a 1000$ device of all things
AnonD-715389, 13 Nov 2017Hi, All iPhone X is better OR Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Kindly advise Regards!Haha I see you trying to spark some flames...So let me fall for this one. Both a solid phones, iphone x software is still ios so if you want straightforward and simple go for apple. Samsung take on android has a lot of extra gimmicks but I imagine at least one is waiting for you, software is arguably more convoluted yet you can customize it to your liking. Note 8 is downright big, very tall and will make you an expert in hand gymnastics, Iphone x is a one handed device in comparison. I have a note 8 and loudspeaker is probably worse than the IX, as itis one measly bottom firing speaker. Lastly note 8 has headphone jack if you still care about that one
iPhone X is better OR Samsung Galaxy Note 8
Iskander, 12 Nov 2017To look at your points, the following.
Albeit not ideal, at least Xiaomi still added a USB-... moreFrom last to first
No, its main improvemnt is not the kinect on top. At least not yet, it will be proved so in the future.
Its main improvements is the far better screen on time, the far better raw performance, the far better image quality (finally almost life-like OLED display), the far lower screen to body ratio (finally a pocketable phablet from Apple), the top 3 camera (previous iphones were lagging behind in that department).
It's one of the biggest overhauls in the history of phones.
Now onto the aspect ratio. iPhone loses nothing from its screen estate once all main apps would support (which is *soon*). The part of the screen that is cutout was never used by iOS really (it had the time, which is now shown a bit to the right big deal).
It is basically a phone sized phablet (again once most main apps support it fully).
The 18:9 on android is attrocious because of the far slower times for android apps to make use of a new feature, especially when it is such a departure from the norm. I don't mind when Apple's doing it because they *enforce* their standards, Android not so.
Fingerpring unlock is slower (you still have to make an extra move). It looks positively ancient by comparison, it will soon be thought as an obsolete feature, by 2020 it would be in the graveyard along with all the failed features of the past (hardware keyboards, cell doors, etc).
The video I gave use the same brightness (in Nits) for all. You can see the way the phones are set up in videos that he explains at the beginning. It's not sponsored by Apple, Apple phones always end up last in those tests for months. iPhone X is simply that much better (it makes sense too, it has the same power requirement of Iphone 8 yet 50% more battery in Mah).
GSMArena mostly tests standby times (nobody uses a screen of a phone 2 hours a day). In standby tests the phone with most battery (in raw Mah) always wins. It's not a good test anymore (unless you leave your phone sleeping for 85% of the day)...
Try better next time.
I think it is a great direction apple is moving in, but many choices they keep up are unfriendly to consumers, they should have kept Touch ID as it is a better bio-metric for day to day use. Also the green line problem cropping up seems sloppy on apple's part. They claimed in the presentation that AMOLED only now is ready for them yet even using Samsung panels they aren't keeping up with QA as a $1K device should be.
Iskander, 13 Nov 2017I can agree that wireless technology will take over more and more of the market, but removing ... moreExactly, if you want options stick with Android.. It's win win and yes the average consumer doesn't file transfer with Sd cards or would rather not.. If you dont think so your kidding yourself buddy.
So your not the average consumer hence android.
See win win
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Also pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is com... moreI can agree that wireless technology will take over more and more of the market, but removing something that still is being used a lot by many people, while there is no direct need, is nothing but an economic decision to save a dime and force people to spend many more dimes. Wireless buds still have quite a way to go before they have both the sound quality and the battery life on a level that people really feel happy with.
Talking about bias, the fact that you did not ever use an sd-card in your Android device, does not say anything about what the average consumer does. I assume you do not have a scientific poll on the matter. But that's not even the point in the end. Having such slot is about freedom and choice. You can chose to use an sd-card, or you can chose not to. I find it odd how people can fight the freedom of choice.
I always find it amusing to read these iOS vs Android debates. I am lucky enough to own an LG V30 and an iPhone X with a smart watch paired to each. I consider these to be top tier flagship devices. Both are amazing. Each operating system has itÂ’s advantages.
At this level along with Samsung Galaxy S8 series, Huawei Mate 10 Pro, Pixel 2 series along with a few others we should appreciate the brilliant engineers who make keeping a super computer in your pocket a reality. Of course within the category we can discuss the pros and cons of different models but letÂ’s try to keep it in perspective.
My first smartphone was the Kyocera 6035 over 17 years ago. It was not very good even then. Until 2007 and the first iPhone smartphones were pretty bad. Now we have choices that are so good to denigrate the top tier choices seems a bit childish.
Bottom line, I love my new iPhone X and my Android LG V30! Smartphones have come a long way.
AnonD-80334, 13 Nov 2017Enterpize level decisions are based on several factors and are not permanent. I can give innum... moreAlso pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is coming to an end in general NOT just mobile devices. Google got rid of theirs but I'm tipping your not in those threads?
Sd card, I've used android on and off for the last 6-7 years.. Guess what never used one.. The general consumer does not, fact.
Take a leaf from your own book
Hard to be critical when your bias from the beginning
Verne, 11 Nov 2017Basically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases bet... moreEnterpize level decisions are based on several factors and are not permanent. I can give innumerable big names of companies who still use windows, there's a reason to that, it works on a variety of hardware based on the usage. Not every company is going to have SSDs in their machines, at least not yet. But I wasn't even referring to that, Apple is a giant company today mainly due to its consumer market products, first iPod and then iPhone.
As for support, it may be stellar in the US but that's not the case everywhere. As I mentioned I had an iPod and to simply get it replaced(within warranty), I needed to go through the agonizing amount of followups and a lot of wait time. It took a whopping month to get my replacement. The experience wasn't anywhere near hassle-less I have not experienced same with Sony home theatre which I bought from the same wholesaler but when I needed a repair I got it with 1 phone call. Just as an example. And in My country people definitely don't buy Apple products for their support, they buy to have it as a status symbol (coz Apple products are pricey) or they like the outer pretty shell of that product. It still is valid to some extent in the US too as I currently see it in person.
The removal of touch id is a very counterintuitive move. I have LG G5 which also has face unlock, maybe not the similar tech but same functionality. It registers your face and then unlocks it when you look at the front cam. 9 out of 10 times it gets me quick and correct but I still don't use it, because it's inconvenient. Every time I need to pick up the phone from the desk just to glance at notifications. Granted, the speed of Apple's Face ID would improve but it still requires additional interaction, it's not passive, you need to swipe up, with touch ID, authentication and interaction was the same step, i.e. putting your finger on the touch ID. which was faster and convenient. when you unlock your phone 50 times a day this inconvenience adds up. There was no need to remove it. Which brings me to my next and most important point.
Apple has from beginning kept removable storage out of their products such as iPods or iPhones. Not having that SD card slot is a highly questionable decision, and to those who see beyond the official words from Apple on the matter, will see it as clearly a money milking tactic. There is no reason why a phone can't have an SD card slot. Every company that omits it and sells more than one storage option for same phone models is an example of profiteering at the expense of ethics. Apple went beyond the line and started soldering SSDs into motherboards for MacBook Pro. People can't upgrade their PCs or get a better deal than Apple provides on incremental storage. For example, to upgrade storage from 256Gig to 1TB, it's a whopping 600$ increase for 750Gig SSD space on Apple.com, whereas a brand new 1TB 960 Evo could be easily had around 400$. So basically Apple asks 200$ more for 750Gig SSD space vs a powerful brand new 1TB SSD itself. RAM is soldered too. 1 after another questionable removals of useful features, e.g. 3.5mm Jack removed, why? has iPhone got any slimmer? nope, they acquired Beats headphones for whopping 3.5$ Bn and started making wireless headsets themselves too, they want those products to be sold so you get to live a dongle life or stuck with the average headphones they ship with iPhone or pay them 160$ for the same average headphones(in terms of audio quality). 6s is probably slimmest iPhone yet and that too had the same headphone jack, if they wanted to make and sell wireless headphones, having headphone jack wouldn't get in way of people who want to use wireless headphones but removal gives enough push for some who don't consider wireless as need. They don't even care what will happen if they launch wireless headphones same year they removed the jack, coz Apple fans mostly will buy into their hogwash. They mostly won't use their logical skills to think beyond what's apple telling them, coz logic fails to convince any fanboy, be it Android or Apple. Fanboys are beyond logical reasoning, they don't see these things, and yes to quote you "there are none so blind as those who will not see".
I see these things and I can't ignore these things, which brings me to my conclusion, Apple is an overpriced and overhyped brand. You always get less compared to what you pay for. There are better alternatives for each apple product out there and those who are not willing to see will never see it.