Anonymous, 13 Nov 2017Also pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is com... moreI can agree that wireless technology will take over more and more of the market, but removing something that still is being used a lot by many people, while there is no direct need, is nothing but an economic decision to save a dime and force people to spend many more dimes. Wireless buds still have quite a way to go before they have both the sound quality and the battery life on a level that people really feel happy with.
Talking about bias, the fact that you did not ever use an sd-card in your Android device, does not say anything about what the average consumer does. I assume you do not have a scientific poll on the matter. But that's not even the point in the end. Having such slot is about freedom and choice. You can chose to use an sd-card, or you can chose not to. I find it odd how people can fight the freedom of choice.
I always find it amusing to read these iOS vs Android debates. I am lucky enough to own an LG V30 and an iPhone X with a smart watch paired to each. I consider these to be top tier flagship devices. Both are amazing. Each operating system has itÂ’s advantages.
At this level along with Samsung Galaxy S8 series, Huawei Mate 10 Pro, Pixel 2 series along with a few others we should appreciate the brilliant engineers who make keeping a super computer in your pocket a reality. Of course within the category we can discuss the pros and cons of different models but letÂ’s try to keep it in perspective.
My first smartphone was the Kyocera 6035 over 17 years ago. It was not very good even then. Until 2007 and the first iPhone smartphones were pretty bad. Now we have choices that are so good to denigrate the top tier choices seems a bit childish.
Bottom line, I love my new iPhone X and my Android LG V30! Smartphones have come a long way.
AnonD-80334, 13 Nov 2017Enterpize level decisions are based on several factors and are not permanent. I can give innum... moreAlso pretty sure other audio brands are doing Bluetooth.. Like all of them.. Wired tech is coming to an end in general NOT just mobile devices. Google got rid of theirs but I'm tipping your not in those threads?
Sd card, I've used android on and off for the last 6-7 years.. Guess what never used one.. The general consumer does not, fact.
Take a leaf from your own book
Hard to be critical when your bias from the beginning
Verne, 11 Nov 2017Basically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases bet... moreEnterpize level decisions are based on several factors and are not permanent. I can give innumerable big names of companies who still use windows, there's a reason to that, it works on a variety of hardware based on the usage. Not every company is going to have SSDs in their machines, at least not yet. But I wasn't even referring to that, Apple is a giant company today mainly due to its consumer market products, first iPod and then iPhone.
As for support, it may be stellar in the US but that's not the case everywhere. As I mentioned I had an iPod and to simply get it replaced(within warranty), I needed to go through the agonizing amount of followups and a lot of wait time. It took a whopping month to get my replacement. The experience wasn't anywhere near hassle-less I have not experienced same with Sony home theatre which I bought from the same wholesaler but when I needed a repair I got it with 1 phone call. Just as an example. And in My country people definitely don't buy Apple products for their support, they buy to have it as a status symbol (coz Apple products are pricey) or they like the outer pretty shell of that product. It still is valid to some extent in the US too as I currently see it in person.
The removal of touch id is a very counterintuitive move. I have LG G5 which also has face unlock, maybe not the similar tech but same functionality. It registers your face and then unlocks it when you look at the front cam. 9 out of 10 times it gets me quick and correct but I still don't use it, because it's inconvenient. Every time I need to pick up the phone from the desk just to glance at notifications. Granted, the speed of Apple's Face ID would improve but it still requires additional interaction, it's not passive, you need to swipe up, with touch ID, authentication and interaction was the same step, i.e. putting your finger on the touch ID. which was faster and convenient. when you unlock your phone 50 times a day this inconvenience adds up. There was no need to remove it. Which brings me to my next and most important point.
Apple has from beginning kept removable storage out of their products such as iPods or iPhones. Not having that SD card slot is a highly questionable decision, and to those who see beyond the official words from Apple on the matter, will see it as clearly a money milking tactic. There is no reason why a phone can't have an SD card slot. Every company that omits it and sells more than one storage option for same phone models is an example of profiteering at the expense of ethics. Apple went beyond the line and started soldering SSDs into motherboards for MacBook Pro. People can't upgrade their PCs or get a better deal than Apple provides on incremental storage. For example, to upgrade storage from 256Gig to 1TB, it's a whopping 600$ increase for 750Gig SSD space on Apple.com, whereas a brand new 1TB 960 Evo could be easily had around 400$. So basically Apple asks 200$ more for 750Gig SSD space vs a powerful brand new 1TB SSD itself. RAM is soldered too. 1 after another questionable removals of useful features, e.g. 3.5mm Jack removed, why? has iPhone got any slimmer? nope, they acquired Beats headphones for whopping 3.5$ Bn and started making wireless headsets themselves too, they want those products to be sold so you get to live a dongle life or stuck with the average headphones they ship with iPhone or pay them 160$ for the same average headphones(in terms of audio quality). 6s is probably slimmest iPhone yet and that too had the same headphone jack, if they wanted to make and sell wireless headphones, having headphone jack wouldn't get in way of people who want to use wireless headphones but removal gives enough push for some who don't consider wireless as need. They don't even care what will happen if they launch wireless headphones same year they removed the jack, coz Apple fans mostly will buy into their hogwash. They mostly won't use their logical skills to think beyond what's apple telling them, coz logic fails to convince any fanboy, be it Android or Apple. Fanboys are beyond logical reasoning, they don't see these things, and yes to quote you "there are none so blind as those who will not see".
I see these things and I can't ignore these things, which brings me to my conclusion, Apple is an overpriced and overhyped brand. You always get less compared to what you pay for. There are better alternatives for each apple product out there and those who are not willing to see will never see it.
I totally agree with you and interestingly i use 6s for work and pixel xl as my personal mobile. Once you use both, there's no comparison of iphone with pixel. Pixels software really shines. Right from very small things to important notifications, it's very customisable, intuitive and intelligent, which i dont find in iphone. When 6s was launched, similar to faceid a hue cry was raised about the 3d touch and now what happened? No one speaks about it. It all looks like a fashion statement and this too would pass....
Seriously, everyone's clutching at straws to bash the iPhone x.. No it doesn't bring anything new to the table, well that's been actually usable at least. Nor has any other phone manufacturer for the last couple years..
Yes it's expensive, apple always has been so why shoked? It's Apple, it's business and people are clearly more than willing to pay that kind of cash for them, blame the consumers not Apple.. At least now hardware speaking it sits on top
Yes you can buy similar specd phones cheaper.. No ones forcing you to buy the iPhone x are they? Knock yourself out
Yeah but the notch though... Seriously lol try harder.. most people clearly are not bothered by it nor am I
Fact remains its done something Samsung could not,nor any other manufacturer to date and it brings at least an attempt to bring something new to the table while all other brands become more and more alike
And even it brings absolutely nothing new to the table it still brings, one of if not the best screens, the fastest more powerful chip, some of the best on board speakers, one of the top camera performers.. Great build, better siri the list continues. No other brand has put together a phone that sits so highly on pretty much every single component.. Period.
Yes it's expensive, at least it's somewhat justified this time round.. and at least apple is trying to separate it self from what is a somewhat staling pack
jtrogr, 12 Nov 2017But you are forgetting one thing. A big part of 'the whole world' has android only because it ... moreYou are absolutely right about this one. For a lot of people an iPhone "last model" is a way to show their "wealth" (especially where the phones are not subsidized by carrier) and would buy any brand that is expensive enough to let them "make a statement". They generally put them ostentatiously in the middle of the table when meeting with friends or are speaking loudly into the crowd to attract attention.
I deliberately was not speaking about this because I didn't want to imply that it's done purposely by those whom are praising Apple like that and give them benefit of the doubt and imply that they are only liking the ecosystem, feel and experience with iPhones.
For me, Apple OS is not offering enough as Android does. I like back button, for example. This way I don't "have to learn" where is the back button in every application and there are a lot of examples where Android is better. Of course, Apple OS has its strong points too, but I consider that due to evolution in software and hardware we arrived at a point where it's stupid to say that one is better than another and we have to simply acknowledge that everyone's tastes are different and there's a phone for everyone that fulfill their needs and are affordable for their pockets.
One of the reasons that i like GSMArena's reviews is that they are not strongly biased for/against one device and they try to be as fair as possible. The conclusion about iPhone X was very interesting. They said that for the first time hardware is better than software and that's basically the "trademark" of a lot of android Chinese phone where they trow the best in hardware in a poorly developed OS.
2 sides of the coin, looking at it objectively it has a high standard in most areas (good processor, good screen, good features like wireless charging etc.) so if you are after Apple then it's a good standard for apple phones but the truth is it's a revolutionary price for a behind the times phone. How does it do anything the Samsung galaxy 8 or 8+ or note 8 can't do? I have to sigh in despair at the idea that face time is revolutionary, it's gimmicky crap that just barely improves on the speed of a very simple task of pressing a few buttons. I suppose it voids the idea of a password but we will be doing this on our computers, tablets and other devices for years to come and I doubt anyone seriously cares. It's a bit of a lame duck feature, it has some benefit and it's nice but the alternative isn't all that bad or anything people will not be used to so it's really not a saving grace for the rest of the phone which is merely playing catch up. Wireless charging? Done before. Bezel-less screen? Thanks for he catch up Apple. Amoled? Happy you was able to get here for the last few hours of the party at least Apple. If Any of these features were as important or hallmarking as iphone users would want to suddenly protest it would only bring into question why Apple was so late to the party and apple fans were willing to go without them in the first place?
In the end the entire tech is done before and done better elsewhere (such as the notch on the phone being poorly designed and creating an eyesore) and the only saving grace is face time. A feature we can all objectively and constructively observe as a mere convenience that will be in the next lot of iphones anyway apparently (thereby making any patience render this phone an expensive catchup phone with a timer on it's saving graces worth). It's a great phone objectively speaking but for the price it's also objectively a poor phone with lacking vision or revolutionary features. It's a catch up phone feature wise minus one debatable feature (as seen in review with bad gestures, gonna be in future phones anyway so why waste money just to be the first and it replaces an already quite convenient process anyway). On it's own it's a good phone, compare it to the rest of the market and it's just about caught up and thrown out one minor addition at a big cost with a few problematic implementations.
Adi.Ilie, 12 Nov 2017Well, I think that you have a shrine home and pray to Steve, the Apple God, every day, may God... moreBut you are forgetting one thing. A big part of 'the whole world' has android only because it is widespread and they can afford it. Apple is different and people want it to feel different and with the X this is getting even more visible. Go into any mixed mobile store and see where the lines are only to see the device. I have the X and people stare at me like I have f* horns on my head and not a mobile phone device. I have the phone because of years of adaptation and the ecosystem and I like how everything works fluidly but many others like the popularity and the hype.
Never forget that popularity is getting more important than meaning.
I don't find the wireless charging concept be useful for me as I am always on the move and the touch feeling from X is quiet disappointing, thicker and heavier, too smooth to hold it in palm without casing.
Hoping that there be a 7x with just a full display screen and nothing extra...
AnonD-711468, 10 Nov 2017Mi Mix 2 was a downgrade in actual hard numbers. Not merely in things such as style.
Mi Mix... moreTo look at your points, the following.
Albeit not ideal, at least Xiaomi still added a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter in the box.
The lower BtS ratio mostly comes from a smaller screen and the bezel on top now allowing for an actual speaker (which is an improvement over the original Mi Mix) Otherwise, bezels did not grow.
Battery life indeed went down, I did not say everything of the Mi Mix 2 is an improvement. I just said it isn't a massive step back.
If you want to argue that the SoC isn't much of an improvement, then the same can be said for A11. In every day life situations, I don't see A11 shine over A10. The iPhone 7 doesn't trail behind on the iPhone 8. The 4 extra cores in SD835 can help in specific situations, just like A11 can do better in specific situations. Otherwise, if you do not want to admit it's an improvement, then so A11 isn't an improvement.
Screen Ratio will come soonÂ™.
Similar PPI bringing as a negative is funny. Because when stating that the PPI of iPhones is lagging behind, the defense always is that more is not needed for these devices.
So, I got everything wrong on the iPhone, right?
So, lets begin with battery life. Your video starts nice. I give one iPhone X away (this video is likely sponsored by Apple, but let's give it the benefit of doubt). To me it seems, the different phones have different brightness settings from the get go, where the iPhone X seems to have a more dim screen than the competition. It's a nice trick to skew results. When we look at the figures of Gsmarena, and with that I do not mean the final number, but the separate numbers for browsing and watching video, the iPhone X falls short of quite a few other iPhones. This is especially seen in the browsing figures. In this case, I rather stick to the numbers from Gsmarena, since they test in equal settings.
Unlocking my phone is easy. It's unlocked with my fingerprint scanner before it's in front of my face. That's possible when a company places it on a proper spot. While you still have to wait for it to unlock getting it to your face, I'm already being productive thanks to the fingerprint scanner. It remains a downgrade for the iPhone X to not have one.
I never said anywhere that A11 is a downgrade from A10. Your point here is mood.
I never said anywhere that iPhone X's camera is a downgrade from iPhone 7. Your point id mood.
The screen's one pluspoint would be it's sRGB and DCI numbers. However, the Galaxy S7 has better sRGB numbers and LG's G4 supposedly has better DCI numbers (albeit not tested by displaymate).
Also, while you try to trash Mi Mix 2 over it's 18:9 display being worse of than the 17:9 of the original Mi Mix, the 19.5:9 display of the iPhone X all of a sudden is better than the 16:9 display of the other iPhones?
And again, your 5.7" (it's 5.8" according to official specs) still is smaller in actual screen real estate, when compared to the 6/7/8+ iPhones. Simple calculation, see below:
iPhone 8+ 5,5" 16:9 screen gives 4,79*2,70= 12,93 square inch.
iPhone X 5,8" 19.5:9 screen gives 5,27*2,43= 12,81 quare inch.
Now, the iPhone X still loses some of that total due to rounded corners and the massive cutout at the top, making it closer or to or even below 12" total screen real estate. That's a downgrade.
Btw, there are Android phones which have their notifications not in the main screen, so that it does not take away from screen real estate. Not surprised you do not know them, but okay. Also, when watching movies or playing games, or using apps that want full screen, the notification area just disappears until one wants to see it again.
To claim there never was any other phone that showed such improvement over it's predecessor, is quite a bold one, when it's main 'improvement' is 'kinekt'.
Verne, 11 Nov 2017Basically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases bet... moreI use Apple products at work. My personal phone is Android. I do not particularly have anything against Apple products. They seem to be well put together, and not too bad to look at or hold. As someone who gets bored with technology very quickly, and needs to find new uses for it, I find Apple's philosophy hard to live with.
One thing I can't understand is why people are talking up Face ID. I suspect it is because there is nothing else to talk about. After all most of the technology in the iPhone X has been available to Android users for years. So, in order to make a statement, Apple has completely destroyed the look of the phone by placing a notch that sticks out like a sore thumb. Now they are pulling their hair working out how to hide it. Is it really worth going this far just to make a statement about how to unlock a phone? Look at it the other way, would this phone be less attractive if the stupid notch disappeared taking with it Face ID?
I see something else that is quite worrying, and that is people letting Apple decide for them what is important in a phone. How can biometric authentication become the most important thing in a phone? Are we talking about a security scanner at an international airport? The answer is, because Apple want us to believe it. That is quite sickening.
Well, I think that you have a shrine home and pray to Steve, the Apple God, every day, may God rest his soul.
Your experience may be as good as you describe it and I'm glad for you and i'm hoping that it will be better. You forgot that Apple experience in US is totally different that in the rest of the world. A lot of services are available only in US, a lot of services are relevant only in US. My country is in top 3 in internet speed in the world, but if i'm asking Siri for a restaurant, it points me one at 200 km away, because Apple is not interested or have (yet) the power to develop its maps and POI. Google is decades away in front of them so Android makes a lot more common sense to be OS of choice.
Secondly, in a lot of countries Apple phones are not subsidized by carriers and I'm pretty sure that even you would change your mind about Apple if you have to spend well over 1000 USD at every 2-3 years.
So everyone has its experience with products and brands (not only Apple, but also Google, HTC, Sony, Samsung, Lg and all those Chinese brands etc) and each of us has his own opinion. Talking about laptops, for example, It makes more sense for me to buy a Xiaomi Air 13 than the similar Air product from Apple because for me it's more powerful, versatile and cheaper, than the similar product from Apple that has an ecosystem that's not so common in my country and I have to invest a lot of money in software. For you..the ecosystem is everything and you are prepared to pay a lot for a lot less hardware (including ports). I's normal and it doesn't mean that either of us are stupid/smart, but have different needs.
On the end note, never in history of humankind, a product/brand that have its ecosystem closed managed to beat (in the end) an open one, you can't compete alone against whole world and win. You may have an advantage at first, but in the end you will fail as it happened to Nokia, Polaroid and others.
It's great that Apple removed the home button. This was always the worst thing about iPhones. When you hold an iPhone in one hand, it's not always easy (and also very cumbersome) to exert pressure.
Probably the only people who liked it were Apple fans or people who always used nothing else than iPhones.
Verne, 11 Nov 2017Basically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases bet... moreDon't know how the the total cost of mac ownership can be lower than PC with higher hardware and repair costs.
And apple didn't start off the computer on your pocket idea, that was PDAs and then early smartphones. Apples innovation was multitouch, everything since that has been evolutionary, not revolutionary from every OEM.
Apple should Lalunch a phone with Balance Features. Adequate Battry Life of 2 Days along with 3.5 mm Audio Jack.
Verne, 11 Nov 2017Basically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases bet... moreBasically my point. Face recognition is gonna change everything... No need to do anything, just look at your phone and ... magic happens
Once it is to be used for navigation purposes (blinks for tap) it would supplant in part the touch input as well (you'd still need touch for typing and rapid things, but sight would supplant it on less time sensitive tasks like turning the page, etc)... it would be to mobile computers what mouse was to desktop computers, a more instant yet less rapid form of machine-computer interaction... The rest are 2-3 years behind (at least), I'd never believe that Apple could do that so soon...
AnonD-80334, 09 Nov 2017I wouldn't call Apple a crappy brand, I am android user for a long time, but only because I ch... moreBasically, Apple hardware is generally at least as good as other brands (and in most cases better), but the real reason that people buy Apple is because of reliability and support. You buy a widget with AppleCare and if it goes wrong you can bring it in to someone local and it comes back fixed, or Apple will make it right.
Sure Apple occasionally produces stinkers - a certain MacBook keyboard comes to mind - but they usually stand behind their stuff and you can actually find someone who knows what they're talking about locally and should things really go south you can have the unit shipped back to their repair depot and get your device fixed no matter what they have to replace for a fixed price.
On the computer side, Apple stuff is more expensive up front, but the Total Cost of Ownership is actually much lower than alternatives - just ask IBM, GE, and Walmart.
IBM and Apple recent enacted a shared mobile initiative, and they've been very impressed with Apple engineers and interface design teams, and recently reevaluated their place in the world with regards to their age old partnership with Microsoft, and shook off their preconceptions spawned by that business relationship.
They began to allow their staff to use Macs and have discovered that the TCO of a Mac is actually $200 per seat per year *lower* than Windows and a PC due to lower support costs, a more intuitive OS, and a more robust hardware/software experience. Walmart and GE (no dewey-eyed Apple fans) have recently followed suit.
On the mobile side, Apple came up with the whole idea of the computer in your pocket (which also makes phone calls) with a revolutionary pocketable GUI, and were the first to come to market with a pocketable Macintosh with a capacitive touchscreen which was a real computer rather than a kluged together compromise with mobile java based software running on a linux kernel.
Others (like Android) have tried to copy - well, pretty much the whole enchilada - but have not been remarkably successful in supplanting them, though they have scored major victories against less capable devices like the feature phone.
OEM handset makers like Samsung - who copied Apple in every way, way beyond Google's initial raid on Apple IP - have been the most major success story, but even there the vast majority of their sales are to the feature phone market, though they make most of their coin in flagship waters.
So yeah, Apple stuff is generally more expensive, but in general it keeps working and if it doesn't support is usually local, friendly, and the company wants the customer to leave with a good experience - even if they have to take a loss to get to that place.
Hardware is hard to do - just ask Microsoft and Google with their recent hardware adventures, with Google now actually going to buy HTC's phone design team (after having bought the phone design team from Motorola and throwing them away).
In the interest of keeping their competitors from copying their stuff, Apple has decided to create their own vertical hardware stack from CPUs, GPUs, neural processors on up through the entire software experience.
Though most Android fans don't see it, Face ID represents the first foray in passive biometric authentication, and the elimination of security pain points for the iPhone X user. That, perhaps more than their striking OLED display design and the fast fluid UI and numerous silicon-based assistive image technologies may be what iPhone X is most remembered for in the long run.