Anonymous, 19 Mar 2018Why xperia cameras are so bad? I know sony can do it better but why they can't? No OIS and sma... moreFor those who still dont understand, sony camera division is separate company named sony semiconductor and solution, its not under sony mobile. So, if sony makes profit from selling camera sensors, its sony semiconductor who makes profit, not sony mobile. So if it makes great camera sensors, its sony semiconductor that has innovation.
Sony semiconductor provide/sells their BEST sensor for sony mobile exclusively, sells its older sensors to almost all smartphone vendors. So, sony mobile gets the best sensors but they dont do anything, while othets get older sensors, but they modify it, make it bigger apperture, dual set up, add ois, and make better software. Now you guess yourself why with the best sensors their camera never the best..
MikeU, 19 Mar 2018What are the reasons for so many comments when Sony phones are discussed?Other brands fans, they aren't happy Sony is offering better than their beloved brands, isn't weird?
Why xperia cameras are so bad? I know sony can do it better but why they can't? No OIS and small aparture leads to bad low light shots even for 2014 standard. Even in broad daylight, there are too much noise and sometimes colors are pale and washout. Sony should include a good DSLR in gift package of XZ2. Only then, some people who can endure ugly fragile design and lack of 3.5mm port will buy.
Anonymous, 18 Mar 2018As customers who are knowledgeable about camera technology, it is clear that Sony could have d... moreYou haven't read the XZ2 compact camera review from Gsmarena, the camera take still image quality is excellent in daylight and very impressive in low light, and the video quality also on top quality too.
What are the reasons for so many comments when Sony phones are discussed?
Anonymous, 18 Mar 2018As customers who are knowledgeable about camera technology, it is clear that Sony could have d... moreMaybe it is because they focus more on video recording on phones. I think nobody else is focusing on video capturing other than Sony. Other focus more on stills.
Ali Bashir, 17 Mar 2018Why definitely? As who you are saying this? How much you been in Camera industry? As customers who are knowledgeable about camera technology, it is clear that Sony could have done even better in the camera department. Other companies are using OIS and larger apertures. What is holding Sony back? Cost cutting? Trying to maximise their profits?
Anonymous, 17 Mar 2018OIS has been overrated most of the time, it does't shot well for a slightly bigger hand shake.Nope. It is not overrated. And if your hands are shaking so much that OIS can't compensate for it, maybe you need to brush up your photo taking technique.
Tann Hauser, 18 Mar 2018Oh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Not texture but noise and ... moreOops, the links from my previous post is broken. Here are images from U11+ and XZ2 for the same night scene:
Sony has been taking unique path wheter about feature of software, hardware, and especially the boring yet classy design...but this one is just
Tann Hauser, 18 Mar 2018Oh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Not texture but noise and ... moreIn your crop of XZ2's photo, you can clearly see that the noise pattern(what you keep calling "textures") not only exists on the wall but also extends to the window on the bottom centre - the surface of the window is quite rough on XZ2's photo when it is supposed to be smooth. This is what I've been criticising as a mixture of noises and sharpening artifacts. I say it once again, if you ever had edited any RAW photo on your phone/computer, you could immediately tell that this is not just fine luminance noise.
Does XZ2 retain any more details than S9? It might seems so at first glance, but if you look closely at the sign on the bottom left side, it is slightly harder to read texts due to high noise level which is further worsened by poor dynamic range(light near the sign is more blown up) in XZ2. The same story holds true for Mate 10 Pro vs XZ2 comparison.
So, what do you think of the difference in picture quality between U11+ and XZ2 which I showed you in my previous post? I'd like to hear your opinion on this matter.
Ali Bashir, 17 Mar 2018Why definitely? As who you are saying this? How much you been in Camera industry? And who are you to say he is wrong ? How long have you been working in Camera industry? What are your qualifications ?
Ali Bashir, 17 Mar 2018Sony never failed dude, but they are not planning to dominate the market.
From do you people ... moreBecause Sony CANÂ’T dominate the mobile phone market. Sony has dropped from number 3 to 12th place in the mobile phone sales market. Fact. Would you like proof ?
Even in Japan, Apple and Samsung sell more phones than Sony. Meaning, the majority of Japanese people prefer other brands and DONÂ’T buy Sony. Fact. Would you like proof ?
Nick, 18 Mar 2018Soft details and relatively high level of noise are forgivable on Pixel 2's photos because the... moreOh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Not texture but noise and oversharpening... Jolly.
Of course I dont agree.
Tann Hauser, 17 Mar 2018Errrm, I was talking about Pixel 2, that has OIS and f1.8, and dxo score of 98.
Lowlights fro... moreSoft details and relatively high level of noise are forgivable on Pixel 2's photos because they have stellar dynamic range and excellent colour reproduction, which including XZ2 almost any flagship phones cannot create especially at night. And again, what you are seeing as a "full of textures" are mixture of high amount of noise and sharpening artifacts. I will keep saying this over and over until you understand this. Please take a look at another pair of images:
HTC U11+ -https://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/17/htc-u11-plus/camera/gsmarena_066.jpg
Xperia XZ2 -https://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/18/sony-xperia-xz2/camera/gsmarena_026.jpg
Since you don't seems to like stronger noise reduction on S9, I'm now showing the samples from U11+ which tends to keep everything slightly more natural than smoothing out noises along with a bit of detail. You can clearly see that the details, noise, dynamic range are all significantly better on U11+, especially towards corners, in which XZ2 destroys all the details and replace them with large blobs.
So, are you convinced that Sony's next flagship phone will desperately need the faster lens and OIS so that noise can be reduced and it can utilise the great advantage of the sensor's high megapixel count under low-light conditions? Sony Mobile is intentionally omitting those features, even though XZ2 has enough space to contain a large camera module, for the sake of cost-cutting. Don't defend the company which does this to their customers, you should rather embrace the fact and demand them to make better phones. I strongly believe that if they managed put those features onto XZ2 Premium (along with dual camera setup), their phones can easily compete with or even surpass flagship devices from Samsung/Apple/Huawei/HTC especially in camera department. I'm already pretty excited to see how their dual camera system perform in low-light, as according to Sony it is capable of producing usable photos even at ISO of 51200, which is simply amazing for a smartphone sensor.
Finally, the new multi-frame noise reduction is something to be recognized. I can tell that it improved the image quality much better this time. And yes! The HDR Video looks absolutely "Cinematic." Sony knows where to improve and they deliver.
Anonymous, 17 Mar 2018they dont plan to dominate the world "anymore".
niw they change their plan because they alway... moreI guess so, i never see the effort to back on top. How ironic even chinesee huawei and oppo have the goal. And the formula is always simple, make an attractive product and massive marketing.
I still remember six years ago a new smartphone brand greenized all the tech mall in my city, there was many spg demoed its features. Their booth, billboard is everywhere, flooded tv program with their tvc. Its oppo. And five years later, they already in top 5 smartphone vendors..