Sony Xperia XZ2 review Comments
- Nick
- vmF
Tann Hauser, 18 Mar 2018Oh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Great.
Not texture but noise and ... moreOops, the links from my previous post is broken. Here are images from U11+ and XZ2 for the same night scene:
U11:https://www.gsmarena.com/htc_u11_plus-review-1690p7.php#image48
XZ2:https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz2-review-1735p6.php#image23
- AnonD-745482
- tDT
Sony has been taking unique path wheter about feature of software, hardware, and especially the boring yet classy design...but this one is just
hideous
- Nick
- vmF
Tann Hauser, 18 Mar 2018Oh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Great.
Not texture but noise and ... moreIn your crop of XZ2's photo, you can clearly see that the noise pattern(what you keep calling "textures") not only exists on the wall but also extends to the window on the bottom centre - the surface of the window is quite rough on XZ2's photo when it is supposed to be smooth. This is what I've been criticising as a mixture of noises and sharpening artifacts. I say it once again, if you ever had edited any RAW photo on your phone/computer, you could immediately tell that this is not just fine luminance noise.
Does XZ2 retain any more details than S9? It might seems so at first glance, but if you look closely at the sign on the bottom left side, it is slightly harder to read texts due to high noise level which is further worsened by poor dynamic range(light near the sign is more blown up) in XZ2. The same story holds true for Mate 10 Pro vs XZ2 comparison.
So, what do you think of the difference in picture quality between U11+ and XZ2 which I showed you in my previous post? I'd like to hear your opinion on this matter.
- Anonymous
- tAT
AnonD-481725, 17 Mar 2018Why definitely? As who you are saying this? How much you been in Camera industry? And who are you to say he is wrong ? How long have you been working in Camera industry? What are your qualifications ?
- Anonymous
- tAT
AnonD-481725, 17 Mar 2018Sony never failed dude, but they are not planning to dominate the market.
From do you people ... moreBecause Sony CANÂ’T dominate the mobile phone market. Sony has dropped from number 3 to 12th place in the mobile phone sales market. Fact. Would you like proof ?
Even in Japan, Apple and Samsung sell more phones than Sony. Meaning, the majority of Japanese people prefer other brands and DONÂ’T buy Sony. Fact. Would you like proof ?
- Tann Hauser
- akv
Nick, 18 Mar 2018Soft details and relatively high level of noise are forgivable on Pixel 2's photos because the... moreOh, I see. Nothing is forgivable for you on Sonys camera.
Great.
Not texture but noise and oversharpening... Jolly.
Texture https://imgur.com/gallery/AIVet
Of course I dont agree.
- Nick
- vmF
Tann Hauser, 17 Mar 2018Errrm, I was talking about Pixel 2, that has OIS and f1.8, and dxo score of 98.
Lowlights fro... moreSoft details and relatively high level of noise are forgivable on Pixel 2's photos because they have stellar dynamic range and excellent colour reproduction, which including XZ2 almost any flagship phones cannot create especially at night. And again, what you are seeing as a "full of textures" are mixture of high amount of noise and sharpening artifacts. I will keep saying this over and over until you understand this. Please take a look at another pair of images:
HTC U11+ -https://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/17/htc-u11-plus/camera/gsmarena_066.jpg
Xperia XZ2 -https://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/18/sony-xperia-xz2/camera/gsmarena_026.jpg
Since you don't seems to like stronger noise reduction on S9, I'm now showing the samples from U11+ which tends to keep everything slightly more natural than smoothing out noises along with a bit of detail. You can clearly see that the details, noise, dynamic range are all significantly better on U11+, especially towards corners, in which XZ2 destroys all the details and replace them with large blobs.
So, are you convinced that Sony's next flagship phone will desperately need the faster lens and OIS so that noise can be reduced and it can utilise the great advantage of the sensor's high megapixel count under low-light conditions? Sony Mobile is intentionally omitting those features, even though XZ2 has enough space to contain a large camera module, for the sake of cost-cutting. Don't defend the company which does this to their customers, you should rather embrace the fact and demand them to make better phones. I strongly believe that if they managed put those features onto XZ2 Premium (along with dual camera setup), their phones can easily compete with or even surpass flagship devices from Samsung/Apple/Huawei/HTC especially in camera department. I'm already pretty excited to see how their dual camera system perform in low-light, as according to Sony it is capable of producing usable photos even at ISO of 51200, which is simply amazing for a smartphone sensor.
- Anonymous
- 7Xb
Finally, the new multi-frame noise reduction is something to be recognized. I can tell that it improved the image quality much better this time. And yes! The HDR Video looks absolutely "Cinematic." Sony knows where to improve and they deliver.
- Bagas Satya
- tEZ
Anonymous, 17 Mar 2018they dont plan to dominate the world "anymore".
niw they change their plan because they alway... moreI guess so, i never see the effort to back on top. How ironic even chinesee huawei and oppo have the goal. And the formula is always simple, make an attractive product and massive marketing.
I still remember six years ago a new smartphone brand greenized all the tech mall in my city, there was many spg demoed its features. Their booth, billboard is everywhere, flooded tv program with their tvc. Its oppo. And five years later, they already in top 5 smartphone vendors..
- Tann Hauser
- ptD
Anonymous, 17 Mar 2018Oh jee. It has nothing to do with only having 12mp and that Google very heavily processes the ... moreI always use my brain, thank you for your insughtful suggestion tho.
So, you are saying picture quality actually has nothing to do with OIS, wider appertures, and lower mpx cameras? But only processing?
Funny, cause many debate and try to convince me quite the opposite.
- Anonymous
- Q}4
AnonD-481725, 17 Mar 2018Sony never failed dude, but they are not planning to dominate the market.
From do you people ... morethey dont plan to dominate the world "anymore".
niw they change their plan because they always failed every year.
and no need to talk about sam here. you shouldnt compare between the inferior and the king
- Anonymous
- I8m
Tann Hauser, 17 Mar 2018Errrm, I was talking about Pixel 2, that has OIS and f1.8, and dxo score of 98.
Lowlights fro... moreOh jee. It has nothing to do with only having 12mp and that Google very heavily processes the pixel photos.
Did you ever use your brain?
- AnonD-481725
- StN
Nick, 17 Mar 2018Not putting OIS and faster lens on the camera is clearly a bad decision they made. Why definitely? As who you are saying this? How much you been in Camera industry?
- AnonD-481725
- StN
Anonymous, 17 Mar 2018tell me, why sony always failed to sell their phones every year? they cant even beat nokia whi... moreSony never failed dude, but they are not planning to dominate the market.
From do you people come with your intels? Sammy fairytales book.
- Tann Hauser
- ptD
Nick, 17 Mar 2018Read my comment again, I'm talking about the colour accuracy, not your personal preference. It... moreErrrm, I was talking about Pixel 2, that has OIS and f1.8, and dxo score of 98.
Lowlights from Pixel are astonishingly bad at max zoom, be it my desktop monitor or my mobile screen. Seems bigger apperture and OIS didnt help there.
And yet, everyone say it is excellent.
But seriously, at some 100-150% crop (some 3-5x zoom) XZ2 automode lowlights do look excellent, full of detail and texture, even better than S9. If zoomed to some 300% its the other way around, yes, noise cons pop out on Xperia, and noise reduction benefits on S9.
- Nick
- vmF
Tann Hauser, 17 Mar 2018Oh, now its Xperias display, is it?
Nothing wrong with my mobile display, its an excellent lc... moreSorry for taking your time, but one more thing.
Another reason not to use a mobile phone's display is that the difference in picture qualities in 2 photos can be minimised due to its small form factor and limitation in a gallery app - detail, clarity and noise level might look identical, when they obviously differ(I noticed it when I sent photos I took with Mate 10 Pro to my friend's iPhone 8 which also took photos in the same scene, and compared them side by side - difference in quality was astonishing when I went back home and saw their photos side by side). Larger display is ALWAYS better than a smaller one for comparing photos in detail.
- Nick
- vmF
AnonD-481725, 17 Mar 2018Who are the people to define whether Sony is doing a good or bad decisions for the smartphone ... moreNot putting OIS and faster lens on the camera is clearly a bad decision they made.
- Nick
- vmF
Tann Hauser, 17 Mar 2018Oh, now its Xperias display, is it?
Nothing wrong with my mobile display, its an excellent lc... moreRead my comment again, I'm talking about the colour accuracy, not your personal preference. It's cool if you like vibrant and saturated colours of your phone's display, but if it is colour inaccurate then you can't use it to examine photo quality.
"Thats the point of mobile tech like smartphones isnt it?"
We are talking about ABSOLUTE picture quality here with no bias or whatsoever. To SUBJECTIVELY compare the pictures and make a conclusion of which one is better than the other, you need a display which follows the standard - meaning that it should be capable of accurately displaying as many colours as possible. For example, if your phone's display has a bluish tint, then photos with higher colour temperature can look better than those with lower colour temp. which can look too "cold" on that display. If it is oversaturated, well I don't even have to explain what's going happen, do I?
"how some OIS devices can be so bad at lowlight, and yet accoladed as excellent mobile cameras"
Those "some OIS devices" are most likely midrange smartphones with messy software algorithm. If they didn't have OIS then they would've performed significantly worse. Apart from having a thicker camera module(which shouldn't be a problem on XZ2 since it is thick enough to contain it without making a camera bump), there is almost no disadvantage of having OIS for a company. Look at HTC U11+, Galaxy S9, Huawei Mate 10 Pro, LG V30 etc... They all perform better than XZ2 in terms of clarity and noise at night.
- Anonymous
- Q}4
AnonD-481725, 17 Mar 2018Who are the people to define whether Sony is doing a good or bad decisions for the smartphone ... moretell me, why sony always failed to sell their phones every year? they cant even beat nokia which is a newcomer in android smartphone business
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