Slayer, 02 Apr 2018Neither phone is particularly impressive but Sony is a mess!Sony wins without a doubt because:
1. It was not a fair setting to use XZ2 at 19mp while S9 at 12mp.
2. Sony uses different camera processing (and lenses) for non-zoomed/zoomed shots and other different situations as the mp rates and/or manual iso. The auto scene selection is not a big deal.
3. Sony have better results at higher iso with EIS than S9 with higher aperture and OIS.
4. Front camera has options in Api2 mode that can change its sharpness, contrast and colors. Some third party apps have the option to switch between the Api2 On/Off and Forced modes that can substantially change quality of results of stock camera shown in this review.
5. Sony did it best regarding overall quality and settings and the secret is to use always the second highest mp rate for best results.
6. Sony videos came out better with HDR compared to S9.
7. Surely in the nearest future the camera module will be upgraded. Sony did the same from Z1/Z2 flagships.
8. XZ2 comes with almost 100$ cheaper than S9 - at least in my country.
Panino Manino, 02 Apr 2018I'll ask you a question, please be honest with me.
Look the very first photo, use that tool t... moreI guess the focus was made on the plant. So the fridge handle, the corners of the wall, the coffee machine and the floor are a little out of focus to begin with. This and the noise makes it looking quite strange on the XZ2. And don't forget that in this scenario, the S9 has a wider depth of field with its narrower aperture, leading to less blur.
But if you're talking about details I can see some little things on the leaves that aren't even on the S9 shot.
LG Superfan, 02 Apr 2018Can you please explain it againDepth of Field is notion you have that how far the background is from main subject.
Example : you are in front of your house and ask someone to take a pic of you. If cam has f2.0, your house seems to be closer to you compared to f1.7.
All this is not just how much light goes inside the sensor. It is the reason the bokeh effect is used by narrower lenses and smaller aperture like f2.4 or f2.8.
A bigger sensor with f2.0 can catch more light than a smaller sensor with larger aperture. It is amout of light per unit of area.
F1.5 , f1.6 for small sensors are useless.
Neither phone is particularly impressive but Sony is a mess!
I hope GSMArena performs a super shootout before Xmas.
Pixel 3 XL, U12, XZ2 Premium and Note 9
Iphone 9 and v40 dont deserve to be included. They are not good, just ugly
Lol, Sony camera is so bad both at day and at night. If I had to pick one of these two, I'd pick the Galaxy.
Ellio74, 02 Apr 2018You find it oversharpened, but I just see noise and not a lot of it on the clock, it is also d... moreI'll ask you a question, please be honest with me.
Look the very first photo, use that tool to see them side by side.
Look at the fridge's handle.
Look at the flood on the right and the corners of the walls.
Look at that escher doll.
Look at the coffee machine on the left corner.
Now tell me sincerely, do you really like the way the Xperia process the details?
Do you really believe that all that dithering artifacts and the inability to show a smooth contour and represent shadows makes the photos better?
If only sony use brighter lens (f1.8 should be pretty good) and OIS
Ellio74, 02 Apr 2018Some say the XZ2 uses stacking. AIS from Huawei is something close to EIS (SteadyShot) from S... moreTrue, samsung uses f2.4 and still less noise than sony with f2, and sony works with better and larger sensor.
IQLogic, 02 Apr 2018Lol Sony :D These pics are terrible, amount of noise is ridiculous ... And manual mode in Sa... moreIt doesn't matter how good is the UI camera when the sensors in those phones are 1-1.12 µm crap.
DroidBoye, 02 Apr 2018We could say that Sony would be good when you have a tripod or a Gimbal but the S9 just works ... moreHow exactly do you think that Samsung wins overall as a phone? The XZ2 has a better battery life, closer to stock Android software, better update policy, integrated digital noise cancellation, the interesting haptic audio enhancer, battery care for battery longevity... And I may be forgetting a few things. All that Samsung has is a bit better hardware design (like smaller bezels and thinner body). I cannot even give to Samsung plus points for the AMOLED screen because it doesn't do much more (it has deeper blacks, but it has stronger white balance shift on angle and it doesn't look all that black when switched off).
I think there is a general perception that Samsung must be better than Sony, but objectively I can't see how, now that the cameras seem to be on par.
Lol Sony :D These pics are terrible, amount of noise is ridiculous ...
And manual mode in Samsung is complete joke. LG G6 or V30 have way better UI of camera app
Tann Hauser, 02 Apr 2018Nope, you can easily shoot at 1/8 s shutter on Xperia by handheld without tripod. And the resu... moreI don't believe that without OIS, you can consistently get sharp images at such low shutter speeds. The safe cutoff is 1/25 s (25mm being the focal length). Anything slower than that, you risk the effect of camera shake.
Panino Manino, 02 Apr 2018"Take a look at the clock in the daylight shots and it is clearly better."
Like you said, "... moreYou find it oversharpened, but I just see noise and not a lot of it on the clock, it is also darker.
Camera processing is all about compromises: noise helps for details, noise reduction leads to less details. These two cases are shown here.
Ok, I understood, it is possible to add sharpening, contrast, and everything you want in a photo. Here we're talking about what the phones are capable of, not hypothetical added post processing.
I also understood that the Xperia processing isn't the right one for you, but saying it is "a waste of hardware" isn't the true story.
I don't like how the S9 images are softer and how sometimes it is possible to notice the multi-staking traces but it is still a great snapper for example.
Panino Manino, 02 Apr 2018"Take a look at the clock in the daylight shots and it is clearly better." Like you said, "... moreSame way you can use noise reduction on more noisier shot, but detail and sharpness is lost... Its just preference. I find sharpness and detail on looking at a 1:1 or 100% crop photo more important. And also for printing photos.
Ellio74, 02 Apr 2018Finding the right balance can be difficult I guess, or it is according to preferences.
XZ2 ... more"Take a look at the clock in the daylight shots and it is clearly better."
Like you said, "it is according to preferences." I don't prefer that photo with the clock, the way the Xperia oversharpens there. Sharpening is something that you can add easily, but never remove.
The Xperia have plenty of compromises. It "works" just in a very feel selected and very special rare cases.